Pat you can be a right fucking pain in the hole at times. What do you mean they "almost nicked it"? Are you thinking of Ibra's chance and forgetting the two brilliant saves from De Gea?
Liverpool Vs Man Utd Match Thread..
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Pat you can be a right fucking pain in the hole at times. What do you mean they "almost nicked it"? Are you thinking of Ibra's chance and forgetting the two brilliant saves from De Gea?
Good, we'll have learned a lot playing against the Portugese Pulis tonight.
WBA don't have De Gea. They also have a lot less quality throughout the side, so whilst they may try to do that I'd back us to be able to break them down.
We should also have Lallana for the full match (fingers crossed) which will make a difference, as evidenced by the performance this evening when he came on.
I didn't want to say anything during the match for fear of jinxing us (pathetic, I know) but much in the way that severely lowered expectations ended up giving Donald Trump a supposed victory in the second debate, Utd are being given all sorts of credit for their performance.
They did what Mourinho's sides do well - shut down a more attacking opponent - and that's about it. They created one good chance that I can recall (Ibra's) and defended reasonably well against a side that didn't really turn up. Is that good enough after breaking the world transfer record, spending another fortune and hiring a superstar manager? I guess so, *slow clap*.
I'm less concerned about what Utd did or didn't do. We were poor. As the in-form side at home, the onus was on us to perform and we failed. For the most part we looked far too anxious and desperate to do well and it resulted in an incoherent, panicked and error ridden display.
We picked up in periods, notably the last 25mins and had a couple of chances to score but wasn't to be.
The big takeaways from this game were 1) the Sturridge dilemma and 2) the growing importance of having a midfield that can play one touch football.
They did what Mourinho's sides do well - shut down a more attacking opponent - and that's about it. They created one good chance that I can recall (Ibra's) and defended reasonably well against a side that didn't really turn up. Is that good enough after breaking the world transfer record, spending another fortune and hiring a superstar manager? I guess so, *slow clap*.
I'm less concerned about what Utd did or didn't do. We were poor. As the in-form side at home, the onus was on us to perform and we failed. For the most part we looked far too anxious and desperate to do well and it resulted in an incoherent, panicked and error ridden display.
We picked up in periods, notably the last 25mins and had a couple of chances to score but wasn't to be.
The big takeaways from this game were 1) the Sturridge dilemma and 2) the growing importance of having a midfield that can play one touch football.
Give him Manager of the Year already. 844 Mil spent and they're doing cartwheels getting a point.
His guy counts the time that football isn't being played.
Last season is irrelevant imo. We are the form side, playing the best attacking football and has bummed Arsenal, Chelsea and outplayed Spurs.
I think it was a superb tactical display from them annoying as it was for us
If they tried anything else they've have been hammered and they knew it.
They came for a point, we knew they would and we couldn't beat them.
Simple as that.
It was a superb result for them.
Guys and Modo - you were almost right in your assessment apart from the last sentence where you said it was a possible confidence booster for them. Fuck that - it was more like a - "Our manager has no faith in us attacking coz we are shit".
After some consideration - I am so fucking happy with this result considering we had both Gini, and Lallana out. If we had gone all gung-ho like we have done in the past against a Jose setup - we would have been hammered. I thought from the very word go we were quite restrained; and did not really give them a look in during this game. They got fuck all and I mean fuck all - so what if we are two points behind the leaders ? - that is hardly anything we know that City are not all that, and neither are Spurs and Arsenal.
So often he waits for the likes of us to go all -out in the hope that there will be a moment where we 'slip' so that he can take the three points. Today we gave him the square root of fuck all and our defense as we know and as most of you like to point out is terrible. If anything this just showed as some have pointed out he is the expensive Pulis. I really hope Gini gets well soon.
After some consideration - I am so fucking happy with this result considering we had both Gini, and Lallana out. If we had gone all gung-ho like we have done in the past against a Jose setup - we would have been hammered. I thought from the very word go we were quite restrained; and did not really give them a look in during this game. They got fuck all and I mean fuck all - so what if we are two points behind the leaders ? - that is hardly anything we know that City are not all that, and neither are Spurs and Arsenal.
So often he waits for the likes of us to go all -out in the hope that there will be a moment where we 'slip' so that he can take the three points. Today we gave him the square root of fuck all and our defense as we know and as most of you like to point out is terrible. If anything this just showed as some have pointed out he is the expensive Pulis. I really hope Gini gets well soon.
It was a superb result. However that says more about the mentality of mourinho
I'm beginning to wonder if his successes are more down to the ineptitude of others rather than his own abilities
Yes the best most clear cut chance in the game imo.
De Gea made two superb saves but for me both changes were out of nothing.
I get the impression with Sturridge that his injury history is preying on his mind. He looked sluggish tonight, as if he thought that if he ran too fast or stretched himself too much, something was going to give. The result was that he didn't contribute much and we improved noticeably when he was replaced by Lallana.
Harsh, Woland.
Can is not match-fit and it showed, but he improved through the game. Someone said put Grujic on - he would have been blown away by the pace.
Sturridge does not work well on his own up top. He needs a partner (like Suarez). Not sure how to make that work. Sturridge/Origi is not compelling. Maybe push Firmino closer to Daniel.
Lallana looked good when he came on, but so did everyone else because the shape and the movement changed. We need to figure out a way to play without Lallana that provides the same movement. I think the combination of Lallana out and Wijnaldum out at the same time created the issue.
And you think that constitutes the definition of masterclass? No, they got a good point by announcing to the league that they aren't good enough to go toe to toe with their biggest rivals, it was an absolute embarrassment of a game from a United perspective, Id be furious with Mourinho and the general state of the club if I was a fan.
He was really good. Lovren was worryingly a bit flat footed at times, but generally I thought the partnership looked very good again.
Yeah I know, sods law.
I like the term 'Portuguese Pulis'. Befitting.
It was clear that this was Can's first game of the season, and first game since before the summer that he has played in midfield - lets not forget he was deployed at full back over the summer! However - I agree that he lacks some of the dynamism of Wijnaldum and Lallana.
Being offside is not being saved by the ref. 😉
Don't want to nitpick but the linesman can wave all he wants, if the ref doesn't blow the whistle his waving means fuck all.
You DON'T think it was a confidence booster for them ? Go and have a look on social media .. tells you all you need to know. They are ecstatic with a point.
True. But he wasn't there. Wasn't it Bailly not Valencia ?
It was Valencia. Gave Firmino a three yard start and caught him. Now I know Firmino isn't very quick, but I thought Valencia had lost a lot of his own pace. Clearly not as much as I thought.
Shows the value of having a striker who is quick and can break the lines with sheer pace.
I love Sturridge but he annoys the fuck out of me with the whole stepping onto the field backwards and crossing himself thing. You're not the fucking Pope...just take to the field and do what you do so brilliantly well. All of that lad's problems are in his head. Sort that and he's the best in the business. If we can't sort it, it's time to ship him out.
Firmino was from a standing start though whilst Valencia was already running at pace.
I don't think Sturridge would have been in that position to receive the pass.
He gave a performance of just rambling and floating without any real effort to run at or run behind the Utd defence.
It was a pretty pathetic performance for a player that should be sharp.
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