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I see two different cases. And the reality is while they arise out of a similar incident they're vastly different in how they'll be judged. That isn't some grave injustice, that's just the way things are.
And you went banging on about xenophobia in the last thread.
It's not surprising to see a London based journo is supporting a Chelsea player (particularly Samuel), they always have done. It's hardly outrageous to suggest that someone shouldn't be punished until they're found guilty. Yet some of you act like it is.
I don't see the point in lying to ourselves and creating some alternate reality where the entirety of the media is against us. Before the full facts came out plenty of papers we're willing to peddle our lies (sudaca, negrito etc etc), I didn't see you complaining about that. Once the facts came out most changed tone, not surprisingly really - it's what any decent human being would do.
As for Terry being England captain, no he shouldn't be. He shouldn't even be in the team but that;s just because he's shit, not because he's a cunt.
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1. I don't remeber myself "banging" on about anything on that other thread. I actually think if any of us was "banging" on about anything on that thread it might have been you.
2. I don't think I ever mentioned xenophobia either. I was pointing at "double standards", "cultural differences" etc.
3. If I recall correctly (and a brief check down that "other" thread shows me I do) you didn't wait for the comission's verdict and for the facts to come out before letting us all know what you thought happenned there in the penalty area. You didn't seem like you really needed to wait for that verdict to come out.
4. I can't see how those two cases are so different from each other (I actually do but in favour of Luis Suarez). I do see a problem with the fact that the Terry decision is being delayed so much. Why not deal with it before the Euro 2012?
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What I read earlier is that they envisage it being a 5 day trial, and the witnesses aren't free for that length of time during the football season.
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So they don't consider racism to be such a severe issue. It can wait. Football season is more important. Euro 2012 is more important. Interesting.
If they consider racism to be a severe issue and they want to fight it they can take to court during the football season.
And then you're mocking my perception...
Here's you're exact quote from a recent thread:
It doesn't really matter, Sunny.
For us, foreigners, it's "England".
On one hand you have the case of Luis Suarez, a foreign player, who was harshly punished in a case with so many doubts.
On the other hand you have John Terry, a local Englishman and captain of the England team, who is seen on video racially abusing a fellow footballer, and having his case dragged due to *technicalities".
This is how the case is perceived. And it rather stinks.
You clearly think that Terry is being treated better because he's English. That's your perception, and it's your perception that stinks here.
That's hardly "banging banging on about xenophobia", is it. As I said - there's an issue if double standards and cultural differences here.
You kept ignoring and disregarding those cultural differences and the double standards ever since the Suarez case started up and never ever had a doubt you know better than others. It's just making my point stronger.
As for stinking perceptions - I guess it's subjective.
You're ignoring the fact that Terry is being tried in the Courts system, not by the FA.
You're ignoring the fact that the FA are unable to deal with the case until the Courts have because their decision would be prejudicial to the trial.
Basically anyone putting forward such an argument is ignorant of the facts here. But that's not really surprising, that's been the reality ever since the Suarez case started up - and it still is. Regarding my being certain of things, it's because I took an unbiased look at the facts, anyone that did so could have seen him being found guilty as a certainty after his admission.
But of course!
you took an
unbiased look at the fact and made your call. How simple. Who needs courts? who needs FA comissions?
So, everybody who thinks differently than you is either biased or ignorant. Not really surprising (see my point above).
Is it really bliss then ?
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The function of the court is to decide the case, it isn't as you so dramatically put it "to fight racism". To have the case they need to have witnesses available, they aren't going to be available.
if you want to argue there's a double standard it's in the fact that Suarez didn't face criminal charges as well as FA ones, while Terry will face both. But that's not really convenient to your argument is it ?
I just wish LFC fans would stop playing the victim. Suarez was rightly done. Terry will be too. And then you'll have no straw arguments to fall back on.
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Just a reminder - the issue here is Racism and fighting it, isn't it?
So you're basically saying (calmly, not dramatically
😉) that the court does not have the authority to make the witnesses available earlier than 9th of July? You are conveniently ignoring this point time and again.
Re: Suarez not facing criminal charges - that's a valid point. I doubt it he'd be convicted at court with such weak evidence.
You think Suarez was rightly done. Some think he wasn't. Why is this playing the victim?
Will Terry be rightly done? maybe. We will have to wait and see. The fact though is that he's allowed to play until after Euro 2012 (which is probably bad for Englad - is this why you're happy with it?
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