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Re: Derby
I'm done with Agger. He has a lot of potential, but stable CB pairings who play game after game are the basic defensive foundation for any decent side, and he just can't play with any consistency.
I'm done with Agger. He has a lot of potential, but stable CB pairings who play game after game are the basic defensive foundation for any decent side, and he just can't play with any consistency.
Re: Derby
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
Re: Derby
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
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You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
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You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
Re: Derby
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42225.msg1198084#msg1198084 date=1287221780]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
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You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
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Wow that does sound fucking horrendous
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42225.msg1198084#msg1198084 date=1287221780]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
[/quote]
You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
[/quote]
Wow that does sound fucking horrendous
Re: Derby
Kelly's not injured, is he? He should be playing if not.
Then again, Everton do tend to score from headers against us quite often, so maybe the Greek's not a bad call.
Pucas is the insurmountable problem here.
Kelly's not injured, is he? He should be playing if not.
Then again, Everton do tend to score from headers against us quite often, so maybe the Greek's not a bad call.
Pucas is the insurmountable problem here.
Re: Derby
Kelly isn't injured.
Great so now we have, Carra and Konchesky on the full backs and Lucas and Poulsen in central midfield. This is going to be a joy. So much mobility and creativity in the centre and pace on the wings. Great.
Meireles played a fantastic game for Portugal and ran the show centrally. Where does Roy play him? On the wing.
Sack him. Now. His latest comments make me want to cry and throw up.
Kelly isn't injured.
Great so now we have, Carra and Konchesky on the full backs and Lucas and Poulsen in central midfield. This is going to be a joy. So much mobility and creativity in the centre and pace on the wings. Great.
Meireles played a fantastic game for Portugal and ran the show centrally. Where does Roy play him? On the wing.
Sack him. Now. His latest comments make me want to cry and throw up.
Re: Derby
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42225.msg1198095#msg1198095 date=1287222457]
Kelly's not injured, is he? He should be playing if not.
Then again, Everton do tend to score from headers against us quite often, so maybe the Greek's not a bad call.
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On paper yeah, but we saw how he played against Northampton, where we conceded from a header.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42225.msg1198095#msg1198095 date=1287222457]
Kelly's not injured, is he? He should be playing if not.
Then again, Everton do tend to score from headers against us quite often, so maybe the Greek's not a bad call.
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On paper yeah, but we saw how he played against Northampton, where we conceded from a header.
Re: Derby
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198089#msg1198089 date=1287222178]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42225.msg1198084#msg1198084 date=1287221780]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
[/quote]
You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
[/quote]
Wow that does sound fucking horrendous
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almost makes you sad hicks is no longer around to distract you.
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198089#msg1198089 date=1287222178]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42225.msg1198084#msg1198084 date=1287221780]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42225.msg1198081#msg1198081 date=1287221170]
Why not play Kelly at RB? Oh wait, I've just remembered, we're managed by a gutless Budgie
[/quote]
You don't want to see the sublime Meireles and Carragher partnership owning the right wing?
Ugh, everyone kept saying "I want to get back to the football."
[/quote]
Wow that does sound fucking horrendous
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almost makes you sad hicks is no longer around to distract you.
Re: Derby
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
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Nice to see you back.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
[/quote]
Nice to see you back.
Re: Derby
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198173#msg1198173 date=1287233392]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
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Nice to see you back.
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A bottle of wine, and fucking tennis the only thing on tv. I'm just bored really.
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198173#msg1198173 date=1287233392]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
[/quote]
Nice to see you back.
[/quote]
A bottle of wine, and fucking tennis the only thing on tv. I'm just bored really.
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Squiggles
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Re: Derby
The view from Everton:
What kind of derby are you expecting this time round?
Quite frankly, similar to last season. Us passing the ball beautifully from left to right and back - without going anywhere. Whilst you systematically boot us off the park. The reverse of previous seasons hasn't been lost on us! We're just baffled as to how we STILL end up on the losing side!
What's behind your dodgy start to the season?
An excellent question, one I'm struggling to nail down. We've had a couple of injuries, but our squad is much stronger than in recent times. Our bench has had the sort of options we could only dream of last season. Obviously the lack of available quality up top doesn't help. Injuries have kept Saha out and Yakubu below par, however this isn't the sole issue. The latter half of last season we had worse times fielding strikers, and still strung results together. Balance on the right has also been an issue. Again though, not a problem to suddenly manifest itself this season. As we improve, teams play more defensive against us. We lack a little nouse creatively around the box.
Anyone need to buck up their ideas?
Anyone sat behind a keyboard that suddenly thinks we can currently do better than Moyes at the helm. That's not to say a couple of the players haven't been below the standards they set themselves. However, I don't think any of them are hiding from the facts. What we need to do is string a couple of good results together. The derby, then Spurs, being a great opportunity to do so.
Everton players we should be worried about?
Fellaini, Jagielka, Pienaar, Rodwell, Saha, Anichebe all injured. Oh, you mean during the game? As you can no doubt guess from the lack of summer deals at Goodison, we'll have few new names. Gueye may be one to look out for if we are struggling for width, however I suspect he will have to bide his time a little longer. Cahill looks like being our major threat again this weekend. No real surprise there.
Three names you'd like to see missing from our teamsheet?
Kuyt, he is one of those players his fans love, and the opposition hate (much like Cahill for us). He also has a nasty habit of finding the back of our net. An injury on international duty seems to have made his inclusion slim. Reina - quite simply because he is an excellent 'keeper. The next I'd like to see missing is Carragher because he wrestles like it's WWE.
Key battle on the pitch?
Both out of position, Carragher at left-back and Coleman at right midfield should be an interesting match-up if it occurs. We have high hopes for Coleman, but not in midfield. He has appeared to balance up our team recently though. What he lacks tactically, he makes up for with a good engine and very attacking instincts. The returning Torres must be looking forward to a defensive line-up missing Jagielka. How Heitinga deals with a return to centre-back against Torres should also be a key battle.
Favourite and least favourite Goodison derby memory?
I'm fortunate enough to be affected by time and wine in such a way that distant heartbreaks soon fade. I've got enough to remember with the previous two 2-0 defeats in the league games at Goodison. They managed to swing between a spineless capitulation and a daylight robbery. As for favourite, certainly from the recent era, Riena's face as AJ scored the third.
Is there a bigger game in your calendar?
At the start of the season the derby games are still the ones we look out for. The only bigger games will be any we earn via a semi-final or better in a cup. Another early summer trip to Wembley and the derby games are back in the pile with the rest - unless we won of course!
Score prediction?
I was confident both times last season, and miserably wrong. On paper we should be favourites this time as well - which is a bad omen. We seem to perform better as the underdog. I just can't see past you grabbing a goal. So I'm going to have to dig out my lucky socks and go with Cahill sneaking an 85th minute winner, 2-1
The view from Everton:
What kind of derby are you expecting this time round?
Quite frankly, similar to last season. Us passing the ball beautifully from left to right and back - without going anywhere. Whilst you systematically boot us off the park. The reverse of previous seasons hasn't been lost on us! We're just baffled as to how we STILL end up on the losing side!
What's behind your dodgy start to the season?
An excellent question, one I'm struggling to nail down. We've had a couple of injuries, but our squad is much stronger than in recent times. Our bench has had the sort of options we could only dream of last season. Obviously the lack of available quality up top doesn't help. Injuries have kept Saha out and Yakubu below par, however this isn't the sole issue. The latter half of last season we had worse times fielding strikers, and still strung results together. Balance on the right has also been an issue. Again though, not a problem to suddenly manifest itself this season. As we improve, teams play more defensive against us. We lack a little nouse creatively around the box.
Anyone need to buck up their ideas?
Anyone sat behind a keyboard that suddenly thinks we can currently do better than Moyes at the helm. That's not to say a couple of the players haven't been below the standards they set themselves. However, I don't think any of them are hiding from the facts. What we need to do is string a couple of good results together. The derby, then Spurs, being a great opportunity to do so.
Everton players we should be worried about?
Fellaini, Jagielka, Pienaar, Rodwell, Saha, Anichebe all injured. Oh, you mean during the game? As you can no doubt guess from the lack of summer deals at Goodison, we'll have few new names. Gueye may be one to look out for if we are struggling for width, however I suspect he will have to bide his time a little longer. Cahill looks like being our major threat again this weekend. No real surprise there.
Three names you'd like to see missing from our teamsheet?
Kuyt, he is one of those players his fans love, and the opposition hate (much like Cahill for us). He also has a nasty habit of finding the back of our net. An injury on international duty seems to have made his inclusion slim. Reina - quite simply because he is an excellent 'keeper. The next I'd like to see missing is Carragher because he wrestles like it's WWE.
Key battle on the pitch?
Both out of position, Carragher at left-back and Coleman at right midfield should be an interesting match-up if it occurs. We have high hopes for Coleman, but not in midfield. He has appeared to balance up our team recently though. What he lacks tactically, he makes up for with a good engine and very attacking instincts. The returning Torres must be looking forward to a defensive line-up missing Jagielka. How Heitinga deals with a return to centre-back against Torres should also be a key battle.
Favourite and least favourite Goodison derby memory?
I'm fortunate enough to be affected by time and wine in such a way that distant heartbreaks soon fade. I've got enough to remember with the previous two 2-0 defeats in the league games at Goodison. They managed to swing between a spineless capitulation and a daylight robbery. As for favourite, certainly from the recent era, Riena's face as AJ scored the third.
Is there a bigger game in your calendar?
At the start of the season the derby games are still the ones we look out for. The only bigger games will be any we earn via a semi-final or better in a cup. Another early summer trip to Wembley and the derby games are back in the pile with the rest - unless we won of course!
Score prediction?
I was confident both times last season, and miserably wrong. On paper we should be favourites this time as well - which is a bad omen. We seem to perform better as the underdog. I just can't see past you grabbing a goal. So I'm going to have to dig out my lucky socks and go with Cahill sneaking an 85th minute winner, 2-1
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the_khl
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Re: Derby
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42225.msg1198070#msg1198070 date=1287220161]
If Carra's playing fullback again (which incidentally, if it keeps happening, will not help in getting the best out of the old warhorse for the next couple of seasons) I'm glad Pienaar won't be there.
Agger I believe has injured his back. Again.
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Not that it matters like but it's not his back this time around. He got a kick on the thigh during Int. training and is now suffering from a so called 'wooden-thigh'.
Anways it's highly frustrating with all these injuries of his. He played extremely well in the first 35 minutes for Denmark and I can't help but wonder how good he'd actually end up if he could keep himself fit.
I'm still confident he'll come through this spell but it's obviously not great for his confidence at all. He has ruled out speculation that he's about to hang up his boots though.
*waves strangely shaped flag*
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42225.msg1198070#msg1198070 date=1287220161]
If Carra's playing fullback again (which incidentally, if it keeps happening, will not help in getting the best out of the old warhorse for the next couple of seasons) I'm glad Pienaar won't be there.
Agger I believe has injured his back. Again.
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Not that it matters like but it's not his back this time around. He got a kick on the thigh during Int. training and is now suffering from a so called 'wooden-thigh'.
Anways it's highly frustrating with all these injuries of his. He played extremely well in the first 35 minutes for Denmark and I can't help but wonder how good he'd actually end up if he could keep himself fit.
I'm still confident he'll come through this spell but it's obviously not great for his confidence at all. He has ruled out speculation that he's about to hang up his boots though.
*waves strangely shaped flag*
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Squiggles
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Re: Derby
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
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the_khl
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Re: Derby
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42225.msg1198189#msg1198189 date=1287234760]
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
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And that's one of the reason why I'm so happy that you're not in charge.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42225.msg1198189#msg1198189 date=1287234760]
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
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And that's one of the reason why I'm so happy that you're not in charge.
Re: Derby
Yup ship him out along with every other perma injured waste of space. Yeah, am lookin' atchoo Fabio.
Yup ship him out along with every other perma injured waste of space. Yeah, am lookin' atchoo Fabio.
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Squiggles
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Re: Derby
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42225.msg1198190#msg1198190 date=1287234832]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42225.msg1198189#msg1198189 date=1287234760]
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
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And that's one of the reason why I'm so happy that you're not in charge.
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There's nothing incorrect with what I've said.
He's not worth £70,000 a week, and we all know it.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42225.msg1198190#msg1198190 date=1287234832]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42225.msg1198189#msg1198189 date=1287234760]
Overpaid and unreliable, with no sign of improvement - I'd sell Agger in an instant.
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And that's one of the reason why I'm so happy that you're not in charge.
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There's nothing incorrect with what I've said.
He's not worth £70,000 a week, and we all know it.
Re: Derby
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198176#msg1198176 date=1287233556]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198173#msg1198173 date=1287233392]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
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Nice to see you back.
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A bottle of wine, and fucking tennis the only thing on tv. I'm just bored really.
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Stop playing hard to get Ryan.
Oh and Welcome back.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198176#msg1198176 date=1287233556]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=42225.msg1198173#msg1198173 date=1287233392]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42225.msg1198171#msg1198171 date=1287233079]
Carra-Skrtel-Greek-Konch the back four?
Christ almighty.
That slow arsed back four coupled with Roy's tactics mean they'll be defending so deep they'll be playing at fucking anfield.
[/quote]
Nice to see you back.
[/quote]
A bottle of wine, and fucking tennis the only thing on tv. I'm just bored really.
[/quote]
Stop playing hard to get Ryan.
Oh and Welcome back.
Re: Derby
He's never had an injury free season in his time with us, bar his second.
I know his proponents go on a fair bit about his "footballing qualities". But his injury problems mean that unless they subside completely, we'll always need at least another 2 top class centrebacks in the squad, so that one can step in to make up for his absences. It's hardly a clear cut decision picking him when he does recover, and that will be the case even if and when Skrtel is sold to be replaced by another.
He's never had an injury free season in his time with us, bar his second.
I know his proponents go on a fair bit about his "footballing qualities". But his injury problems mean that unless they subside completely, we'll always need at least another 2 top class centrebacks in the squad, so that one can step in to make up for his absences. It's hardly a clear cut decision picking him when he does recover, and that will be the case even if and when Skrtel is sold to be replaced by another.
Re: Derby
Ryan must be looking forward to see The Cunt Twins playing. What a dream team!
Ryan must be looking forward to see The Cunt Twins playing. What a dream team!
how anyone can have a go at agger when he has been utilised at left back, in a defense that invites pressure protected by two holding midfielders that aren't worthy of the name is beyond me.
What's your definition of 'embarrassing'?
I wonder. Still, great to see you back. Just try not to y'know, allow any bitterness to colour your opinions
I wonder. Still, great to see you back. Just try not to y'know, allow any bitterness to colour your opinions
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