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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42225.msg1199041#msg1199041 date=1287326244]
Rosco, everyone is aware of the various problems at the club.
One of the only ones we can address short term is a new manager. Given that Hodgson has thus far been a complete disaster, is it so bizarre that people are focusing on the thing that CAN be changed?
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It's true, the one thing we can immediately change is the manager, & we clearly need to, he doesnt understand what needs doing & the players dont seem to play cohesively under him.
Rosco, everyone is aware of the various problems at the club.
One of the only ones we can address short term is a new manager. Given that Hodgson has thus far been a complete disaster, is it so bizarre that people are focusing on the thing that CAN be changed?
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It's true, the one thing we can immediately change is the manager, & we clearly need to, he doesnt understand what needs doing & the players dont seem to play cohesively under him.
Roy was probably smiling cos he can get home in time for his Sunday roast and antiques road show.
Maybe we should just have a mass clearout and start again?
Team going forward..............
Kelly------Carra------Agger------Aurelio (if he ever gets fit)
Johnson---Gerrard---Meireles---Shelvey
--------------------Cole-----------------------
------------------Torres (i think?)-----------
Kelly------Carra------Agger------Aurelio (if he ever gets fit)
Johnson---Gerrard---Meireles---Shelvey
--------------------Cole-----------------------
------------------Torres (i think?)-----------
Shelvey on the left wing?
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=42225.msg1198529#msg1198529 date=1287310480]
Today feels like the first game of the season again. We need a point at the least but I think it's more about the performance, Roy needs to show the fans that things are changing and the players are finding there way using his methods.
If we go out in a derby and are as toothless as we have been then we can only hope that NESV act quickly and make a change, bring in Kenny for the time being and look for the perfect candidate.
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Happy new season everybody!!!!!
So Henry said he'd give Roy time, he's had 94 minutes to watch a football game and learn what it's about. I'd say he's seen enough to know Roy's not the man.
Today feels like the first game of the season again. We need a point at the least but I think it's more about the performance, Roy needs to show the fans that things are changing and the players are finding there way using his methods.
If we go out in a derby and are as toothless as we have been then we can only hope that NESV act quickly and make a change, bring in Kenny for the time being and look for the perfect candidate.
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Happy new season everybody!!!!!
So Henry said he'd give Roy time, he's had 94 minutes to watch a football game and learn what it's about. I'd say he's seen enough to know Roy's not the man.
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=42225.msg1199039#msg1199039 date=1287326184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199015#msg1199015 date=1287325633]
I don't really care whether he stays or goes but I think people are missing the point spectacularly if they think he's the big problem at the club
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Haha you make it sound like you work at the club. Let's admit it, none of us have the faintest clue what really goes on behind the scenes, let alone identify problems within the club.
If you speculate that there are bigger problems at the club, then at least list them. Share.
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199015#msg1199015 date=1287325633]
I don't really care whether he stays or goes but I think people are missing the point spectacularly if they think he's the big problem at the club
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Haha you make it sound like you work at the club. Let's admit it, none of us have the faintest clue what really goes on behind the scenes, let alone identify problems within the club.
If you speculate that there are bigger problems at the club, then at least list them. Share.
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42225.msg1199066#msg1199066 date=1287326813]
Shelvey on the left wing?
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Why not? Nothing else seems to work
Shelvey on the left wing?
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Why not? Nothing else seems to work
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
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ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
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ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
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I was in town last night and passed a lad who, quite loudly, was giving out yards about Keane.
I immediately thought of you.
You didn't happen to be in "the old stand" last night by any chance?
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
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I was in town last night and passed a lad who, quite loudly, was giving out yards about Keane.
I immediately thought of you.
You didn't happen to be in "the old stand" last night by any chance?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199102#msg1199102 date=1287327755]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
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Did you read my post ?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
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Did you read my post ?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199119#msg1199119 date=1287328332]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199102#msg1199102 date=1287327755]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
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Did you read my post ?
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I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore 😉
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199102#msg1199102 date=1287327755]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
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Did you read my post ?
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I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore 😉
[quote author=the count link=topic=42225.msg1199110#msg1199110 date=1287328012]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
I was in town last night and passed a lad who, quite loudly, was giving out yards about Keane.
I immediately thought of you.
You didn't happen to be in "the old stand" last night by any chance?
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haha no.
Everyone is complaining about him this week, a lot of the Sunday journo's are getting stuck in too.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
I was in town last night and passed a lad who, quite loudly, was giving out yards about Keane.
I immediately thought of you.
You didn't happen to be in "the old stand" last night by any chance?
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haha no.
Everyone is complaining about him this week, a lot of the Sunday journo's are getting stuck in too.
There was a point during that match where Lucas had the ball on the right wing with 3 Everton players in close proximity. Rather than closing Lucas down they all decided to drop off and mark other players, almost as if they had decided before the match that the useless git was no threat whatsoever. I wander why that was.
Roy is making a bold attempt to be the worst manager in Liverpool's history, Graeme Souness must be rubbing his hands in glee.
Roy is making a bold attempt to be the worst manager in Liverpool's history, Graeme Souness must be rubbing his hands in glee.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199121#msg1199121 date=1287328376]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199119#msg1199119 date=1287328332]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199102#msg1199102 date=1287327755]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
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Did you read my post ?
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I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore 😉
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I'll start using smilies.
Ultimately he's only one part of the problem, I think our squad is awful and it needs ripping apart too. But it's at least good enough to be in the top half of the table if he just plays the good players and keeps the shit ones sidelined. He's not doing it so fuck him.
I think the tactics points are way overblown, we're not radically different from last year but that's part of the problem.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199119#msg1199119 date=1287328332]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42225.msg1199102#msg1199102 date=1287327755]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199095#msg1199095 date=1287327538]
Actually scrap that.
You've convinced me, let's sack him.
[/quote]
ros, you mean to tell me the squad true position is 2nd bottom? wasn't roy supposed to be able to get the best out of the squad on a small budget.
should I go back to the thread where roy's name was first linked and see exactly WHY some people thought it was a good idea to bring roy in?
[/quote]
Did you read my post ?
[/quote]
I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore 😉
[/quote]
I'll start using smilies.
Ultimately he's only one part of the problem, I think our squad is awful and it needs ripping apart too. But it's at least good enough to be in the top half of the table if he just plays the good players and keeps the shit ones sidelined. He's not doing it so fuck him.
I think the tactics points are way overblown, we're not radically different from last year but that's part of the problem.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199087#msg1199087 date=1287327204]
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=42225.msg1199039#msg1199039 date=1287326184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199015#msg1199015 date=1287325633]
I don't really care whether he stays or goes but I think people are missing the point spectacularly if they think he's the big problem at the club
[/quote]
Haha you make it sound like you work at the club. Let's admit it, none of us have the faintest clue what really goes on behind the scenes, let alone identify problems within the club.
If you speculate that there are bigger problems at the club, then at least list them. Share.
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team
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To be fair, they're not *THAT* bad a bunch you know.
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=42225.msg1199039#msg1199039 date=1287326184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42225.msg1199015#msg1199015 date=1287325633]
I don't really care whether he stays or goes but I think people are missing the point spectacularly if they think he's the big problem at the club
[/quote]
Haha you make it sound like you work at the club. Let's admit it, none of us have the faintest clue what really goes on behind the scenes, let alone identify problems within the club.
If you speculate that there are bigger problems at the club, then at least list them. Share.
[/quote]
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team
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To be fair, they're not *THAT* bad a bunch you know.
The squad is better than 19th
Tough to hear the Bluenoses singing 'Going down, going down, going down'.
I think we'll be hearing that on away days for some time to come, unless we are bold now.
We are in trouble, no doubt. We are fortunate there is enough time and opportunity to correct it.
Hodgson will say the same things he's saying now until he's replaced. He's either unable or incapable of seeing that the players don't get whatever it is he instructs them to do.
I think we'll be hearing that on away days for some time to come, unless we are bold now.
We are in trouble, no doubt. We are fortunate there is enough time and opportunity to correct it.
Hodgson will say the same things he's saying now until he's replaced. He's either unable or incapable of seeing that the players don't get whatever it is he instructs them to do.
The most worrying thing was the post-match interview. IMO we were quite lucky to only lose 2-0, but Roy seems to think we played very well and deserved something from the game. It's like he would actually regard PL survival with this team as a notable achievement.
I don't think he'll be here in January.
I don't think he'll be here in January.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42225.msg1199312#msg1199312 date=1287335143]
The most worrying thing was the post-match interview. IMO we were quite lucky to only lose 2-0, but Roy seems to think we played very well and deserved something from the game. It's like he would actually regard PL survival with this team as a notable achievement.
I don't think he'll be here in January.
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I hope he wont be here in November
The most worrying thing was the post-match interview. IMO we were quite lucky to only lose 2-0, but Roy seems to think we played very well and deserved something from the game. It's like he would actually regard PL survival with this team as a notable achievement.
I don't think he'll be here in January.
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I hope he wont be here in November
Now who says Liverpool can't be relegated?
By Martin Samuel Chief Sports Writer at Goodison Park
There were four minutes between the goal and the time it took for the penny to drop.
'Going down,' Goodison sang gleefully, 'going down!' It was as if they had forgotten, much like the rest of us, that Liverpool's predicament is real and not some bad dream they can snap out of with a click of the fingers or a new sugar daddy.
Relegation? Impossible. This is Liverpool. This is Anfield. They won it five times, remember. Except there is almost one quarter of the season gone, and any team in the bottom three at this stage has to be placed on the endangered long list at least.
Rewind 12 months and the bottom three were Hull, West Ham and Portsmouth, only one of whom escaped. And Hull had more points than Liverpool do now from the same matches.
Yet, it is this belief that mighty Liverpool cannot be considered relegation candidates that is perhaps their biggest enemy. Perhaps even Evertonians do not believe it, hence the delayed gag after Tim Cahill's goal went in; they had to be reminded that this malevolent fantasy was now reality.
Liverpool fell below Wolves yesterday and to a team as fragile as this there are no easy matches. Blackburn are next, then Bolton, followed by Chelsea, every fixture bringing the promise of a bruising encounter. Everton gave them a taste of that and, despite Roy Hodgson's strange appraisal of this as Liverpool's best performance of the season, his team demonstrated scant appetite for the fight.
Hodgson highlighted the performance after half-time, but Liverpool's gung-ho response when two goals down was only to be expected. It helped that Everton's players seemed to believe they were playing the Liverpool of old, defending deep in anticipation of counter-attacks.
The reality is that, Steven Gerrard aside, the drive has gone. Fernando Torres is playing like a man who considers every further minute spent in a red shirt to be a horrible waste of his time, while Joe Cole is playing like the man Fabio Capello doesn't pick, rather than a man he should.
Asked about the lack of confidence in his team, Hodgson preferred to give an answer that focused solely on the disappearance of Torres this season, and while the struggles of Rafael Benitez's marquee signing are a big issue, to say he is surrounded by team-mates brimming with the qualities needed to turn this season around is delusional.
The first goal came because Lucas, on the edge of the box with no blue shirt near him, decided not to bring the ball down and play it, but headed out instead.
When even a Brazilian does not feel able to pass the ball given time and space, there are big problems.
The weakness of Liverpool's squad is inescapable. Even raddled with injury, Everton's starting XI was preferable and their substitutes' bench was superior.
Not one Liverpool player performed in the first half with the simple determination of Seamus Coleman, a 23-year-old signed from Sligo Rovers for £60,000. It is the sort of transfer deal almost unheard of in the Premier League, yet Coleman - who made the first goal with a purposeful run, and a cross poorly matched by Paul Konchesky - encapsulated what set Everton apart.
Gerrard never stops trying, neither does Jamie Carragher, but too much of Liverpool's play is limp.
This is to take nothing away from Everton, who had a lengthy injury list - Louis Saha, Steven Pienaar, Marouane Fellaini and Jack Rodwell - yet were superior, certainly throughout the first half. Even when Liverpool pressed the emergency button after the second goal, the introduction of Jermaine Beckford for Mikel Arteta with 16 minutes remaining gave Everton the greater threat on goal.
The red corner of Goodison observed the supposedly encouraging previous passage of play in silence - a sign they did not share Hodgson's rose-tinted view - and many left before the end.
Considering this was a first sight of the team for new owner John Henry, it ended on a very gloomy note with Evertonians joking he had bought the wrong club.
Henry does not seem the sort to lose his nerve on the back of a bad 90 minutes, but he will not like the look of the table.
Time's up? Hodgson must rapidly improve his Liverpool side or risk the axe
The threat of administration, with the potential for relegation, was said to have presented a serious obstacle to his takeover.
That Liverpool might not require third party assistance to bring about this devastating conclusion had clearly not entered his mind.
At half-time, he stood at the front of the directors' box with Joe Januszewski, a senior vice-president with New England Sports Ventures and his commercial guru. Henry seemed to be receiving a crash course in football. There was a lot of pointing and chat between them. Maybe he was asking when it was Liverpool's turn to have the ball. Never a lip reader around when you need one.
His first big call will concern the future of Hodgson. It would seem harsh to terminate the manager's tenure so quickly, but Liverpool's loss of form cannot continue indefinitely.
Chippy and defensive after the game, he ended his press conference in a sharp exchange with a journalist from Scandinavia who questioned the lack of supply to Torres.
'Are you from Denmark?' Hodgson asked (he considers the Danish press too negative).
'No, Norway,' replied the visitor. 'Ah, two countries I never want to work in again,' he said.
There was a rather obvious retort but the room was too polite to go there. For now, anyway.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1321356/Martin-Samuel-Now-says-Liverpool-lot-relegated.html
By Martin Samuel Chief Sports Writer at Goodison Park
There were four minutes between the goal and the time it took for the penny to drop.
'Going down,' Goodison sang gleefully, 'going down!' It was as if they had forgotten, much like the rest of us, that Liverpool's predicament is real and not some bad dream they can snap out of with a click of the fingers or a new sugar daddy.
Relegation? Impossible. This is Liverpool. This is Anfield. They won it five times, remember. Except there is almost one quarter of the season gone, and any team in the bottom three at this stage has to be placed on the endangered long list at least.
Rewind 12 months and the bottom three were Hull, West Ham and Portsmouth, only one of whom escaped. And Hull had more points than Liverpool do now from the same matches.
Yet, it is this belief that mighty Liverpool cannot be considered relegation candidates that is perhaps their biggest enemy. Perhaps even Evertonians do not believe it, hence the delayed gag after Tim Cahill's goal went in; they had to be reminded that this malevolent fantasy was now reality.
Liverpool fell below Wolves yesterday and to a team as fragile as this there are no easy matches. Blackburn are next, then Bolton, followed by Chelsea, every fixture bringing the promise of a bruising encounter. Everton gave them a taste of that and, despite Roy Hodgson's strange appraisal of this as Liverpool's best performance of the season, his team demonstrated scant appetite for the fight.
Hodgson highlighted the performance after half-time, but Liverpool's gung-ho response when two goals down was only to be expected. It helped that Everton's players seemed to believe they were playing the Liverpool of old, defending deep in anticipation of counter-attacks.
The reality is that, Steven Gerrard aside, the drive has gone. Fernando Torres is playing like a man who considers every further minute spent in a red shirt to be a horrible waste of his time, while Joe Cole is playing like the man Fabio Capello doesn't pick, rather than a man he should.
Asked about the lack of confidence in his team, Hodgson preferred to give an answer that focused solely on the disappearance of Torres this season, and while the struggles of Rafael Benitez's marquee signing are a big issue, to say he is surrounded by team-mates brimming with the qualities needed to turn this season around is delusional.
The first goal came because Lucas, on the edge of the box with no blue shirt near him, decided not to bring the ball down and play it, but headed out instead.
When even a Brazilian does not feel able to pass the ball given time and space, there are big problems.
The weakness of Liverpool's squad is inescapable. Even raddled with injury, Everton's starting XI was preferable and their substitutes' bench was superior.
Not one Liverpool player performed in the first half with the simple determination of Seamus Coleman, a 23-year-old signed from Sligo Rovers for £60,000. It is the sort of transfer deal almost unheard of in the Premier League, yet Coleman - who made the first goal with a purposeful run, and a cross poorly matched by Paul Konchesky - encapsulated what set Everton apart.
Gerrard never stops trying, neither does Jamie Carragher, but too much of Liverpool's play is limp.
This is to take nothing away from Everton, who had a lengthy injury list - Louis Saha, Steven Pienaar, Marouane Fellaini and Jack Rodwell - yet were superior, certainly throughout the first half. Even when Liverpool pressed the emergency button after the second goal, the introduction of Jermaine Beckford for Mikel Arteta with 16 minutes remaining gave Everton the greater threat on goal.
The red corner of Goodison observed the supposedly encouraging previous passage of play in silence - a sign they did not share Hodgson's rose-tinted view - and many left before the end.
Considering this was a first sight of the team for new owner John Henry, it ended on a very gloomy note with Evertonians joking he had bought the wrong club.
Henry does not seem the sort to lose his nerve on the back of a bad 90 minutes, but he will not like the look of the table.
Time's up? Hodgson must rapidly improve his Liverpool side or risk the axe
The threat of administration, with the potential for relegation, was said to have presented a serious obstacle to his takeover.
That Liverpool might not require third party assistance to bring about this devastating conclusion had clearly not entered his mind.
At half-time, he stood at the front of the directors' box with Joe Januszewski, a senior vice-president with New England Sports Ventures and his commercial guru. Henry seemed to be receiving a crash course in football. There was a lot of pointing and chat between them. Maybe he was asking when it was Liverpool's turn to have the ball. Never a lip reader around when you need one.
His first big call will concern the future of Hodgson. It would seem harsh to terminate the manager's tenure so quickly, but Liverpool's loss of form cannot continue indefinitely.
Chippy and defensive after the game, he ended his press conference in a sharp exchange with a journalist from Scandinavia who questioned the lack of supply to Torres.
'Are you from Denmark?' Hodgson asked (he considers the Danish press too negative).
'No, Norway,' replied the visitor. 'Ah, two countries I never want to work in again,' he said.
There was a rather obvious retort but the room was too polite to go there. For now, anyway.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1321356/Martin-Samuel-Now-says-Liverpool-lot-relegated.html
stupid fucking bigotted cunt
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