Everton pre match thread
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Fuck, I HATE international football.
I know you tend towards the doom and gloom end of the spectrum and you could be trying the double bluff thing. But.....in case you're not, I'm not sure I agree with any of this.
This is their cup final. That means high intensity and pressing from them, which means we can play it around them with the good ball players we have in the final third. Also them fired up usually leaves them lacking positional and general discipline.
Are they dangerous? Of course, it's the Derby. Are we as bad as you say? No.
That said, I'm shitting it and I'm going. I'm practicing my Norwegian accent as we speak for their fans.
I read recently that we have conceded 50 league goals or more for the past 4 seasons. Regardless of the goals scored this season and the one where we came close, that's an issue that's so glaringly obvious, if it doesn't get addressed it's scandalous.
Whilst I love the all action, frenetic entertainment of this season and the 2014, I'd happily swap it for compact, hard to beat, with 25 one nil wins and the other necessary results to win a title. Fans of other clubs are waxing lyrical about the entertainment value we bring when they talk to me. I'd rather they were fucking hating us because we are as boring as fuck and ten points clear. Every fucking time.
Nah, no double bluff. I'm not seeing anything from us recently to give me hope. We struggle against big strikers, and as you say it's their cup final. I don't trust our faux aggressive pressing being a good tonic for their blood and thunder, dogs of war, shit cunt tactics.
Yep. Or as they're also known, the plucky losers.
It's always about the 3 points first for me.
We need to stand up to them and their dogs of war from the start but in a disciplined way. Not in a
Barkley on Henderson way. But we lack a genuine, physical enforcer in the team who ensures that we don't get out fought. A Whelan type player. Unnoticed by many but someone who steps up physically but not recklessly. A calm but sinister approach.
We don't need to stamp on them or do what Barkley did. Just remain unmoved by their intensity. Our high octane approach often can hinder us when we need to manage the game and the opposition. We can pick these off if we play sensibly and don't get sucked in. The way we used to manage the first 20 mins of a European away in 70s and 80s
Whilst i agree with all that, i sadly don't think we have a single player who's intelligent enough to not get sucked in
Not massively no, because arsenal were a shambles and spurs weren't much better.
Plus they're both top sides, so obviously we'd be up for it. Everton i can just see us not being arsed
Horrible as it is to say, Coleman being out is lucky for us.
Schneiderlin never struck me as a "get stuck in" player.
Miralles will kick shots out of people because he's thick, and i can imagine a couple of youth players trying to get their name in the terraces by kicking the red shite
Davies might be a bit..."over exuberant"
When I was supporting Dynamo Kiev in the late 1990's, I remember one episode when the great Lobanovsky was asked why he started using the tactical formation with the 2nd "libero" (a "free-role" type of centre-back, of whom Beckenbauer was a classic example). Was it intended to strengthen the defense, the journalist asked. No, replied Lobanovsky, I did it to strengthen the attack, because the 2nd "libero" can join the attack at any moment, knowing that his position is covered by the first!
This was a somewhat short-lived experiment and there might have been a hint of mischief in Lobanovsky's answer, but my point in telling this story is to emphasize that football tactics is all about balance between different parts of the team – defense, midfield and attack – and they are all interconnected, so that sometimes the best route to strengthening one part is actually changing another. We all know how a good holding midfielder can stabilize the defense or how a weak midfield can cripple the team's attacking potential because the attackers are busy fighting for the ball rather than doing their main job attacking the goal. So by the same token, a clinical striker up front can have an unexpected effect of strengthening the defense. The logic is obvious: if you're confident that your man up front doesn't need more than 1-2 chances to score a goal, then you can put more men behind the ball thus making your defense stronger. This logic is the foundation of the style of Juventus, for example – that's why they felt they needed to shell out 70M for Higuain, because having a player like him up front allows the rest of the team to play their game, being solid and attacking effectively in small numbers.
Which brings us to Liverpool FC. I think one big reason for our patchy form has been lack of speed and quality finishing up front in certain games. I don't know where we are currently in the league on chances created (shout out to @King Binny), but a few months into the season I remember we were top by some margin. Paradoxically though, this good-looking stat may indicate something unhealthy – that we always attack in big numbers, which means by definition that we are vulnerable to the counter. Chelsea will be champions this year because they got the balance right – attacking just enough to score once or twice in every game and keeping clean sheets in most of them. Now of course there are different ways to win, but I think it's undeniable that this season we haven't quite got this balance right and that's why defensive teams have caused us problems consistently. So that's why I would say that while improving the defense and goalkeeping etc is always important, what would make by far the biggest difference against the likes of Burnley or Leicester would be having a clinical and fast striker up front. Had Sturridge recovered anything close to his 2013-14 level, I think the mood on this forum would be very different right now. Now that most of us are ready to give up on Sturridge, we need to find a new scoring machine in the summer.
This was a somewhat short-lived experiment and there might have been a hint of mischief in Lobanovsky's answer, but my point in telling this story is to emphasize that football tactics is all about balance between different parts of the team – defense, midfield and attack – and they are all interconnected, so that sometimes the best route to strengthening one part is actually changing another. We all know how a good holding midfielder can stabilize the defense or how a weak midfield can cripple the team's attacking potential because the attackers are busy fighting for the ball rather than doing their main job attacking the goal. So by the same token, a clinical striker up front can have an unexpected effect of strengthening the defense. The logic is obvious: if you're confident that your man up front doesn't need more than 1-2 chances to score a goal, then you can put more men behind the ball thus making your defense stronger. This logic is the foundation of the style of Juventus, for example – that's why they felt they needed to shell out 70M for Higuain, because having a player like him up front allows the rest of the team to play their game, being solid and attacking effectively in small numbers.
Which brings us to Liverpool FC. I think one big reason for our patchy form has been lack of speed and quality finishing up front in certain games. I don't know where we are currently in the league on chances created (shout out to @King Binny), but a few months into the season I remember we were top by some margin. Paradoxically though, this good-looking stat may indicate something unhealthy – that we always attack in big numbers, which means by definition that we are vulnerable to the counter. Chelsea will be champions this year because they got the balance right – attacking just enough to score once or twice in every game and keeping clean sheets in most of them. Now of course there are different ways to win, but I think it's undeniable that this season we haven't quite got this balance right and that's why defensive teams have caused us problems consistently. So that's why I would say that while improving the defense and goalkeeping etc is always important, what would make by far the biggest difference against the likes of Burnley or Leicester would be having a clinical and fast striker up front. Had Sturridge recovered anything close to his 2013-14 level, I think the mood on this forum would be very different right now. Now that most of us are ready to give up on Sturridge, we need to find a new scoring machine in the summer.
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On the potentially positive effects of global warming, I see the 2100 derby might be played under water:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39419843
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39419843
I don't think we do need to stand up to them. We've always struggled when we've tried to physically match them, and we've faired far better when we've kept our heads and got on with playing the football. As per the Derby earlier in the season when fat cunt Barkley tried to snap Henderson and we then showed a determination to fuck them over with good football.
What odds for Davies, Barkley or Mirallas getting sent off?
This is fucking hilarious.
He's not bitter. Honest.
Too school for cool.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5759116...ton-at-anfield?playlist_direction=forward&t=0
He's not bitter. Honest.
Too school for cool.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5759116...ton-at-anfield?playlist_direction=forward&t=0
The first six minutes or so are the best.
Apart from his last comments, which are to claim that in the old standing Kop blues used to outnumber reds for derby's.
Apart from his last comments, which are to claim that in the old standing Kop blues used to outnumber reds for derby's.
A bitter being bitter about supposed bitterness.
"I've never been to Anfield and never will but I've been twice" hahaha
I'm not saying we match them or try to out snarl them. Just make sure that we don't let their dogs of war approach faze us.
We have to stay disciplined of course but our midfield is not exactly steely.
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