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Is it's a lack of confidence that's stopping Carroll busting a gut to get on the end of every ball played in to the box?

Is it a lack of confidence that's making Carroll look like he has the technical abilty of a knee-capped donkey when a ball comes anywhere near his feet?

Is all Carroll needs to ensure he metamorphises in to an unstoppable world class strike,r to play constantly with 31 year old Steven Gerrard, who will supply him a steady supply of impossible to miss opportunities?

Come on. Seriously.
 
First one - No
Second one - Maybe
Third one - Na, he could get other players to do the same but they can't.
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48077.msg1452840#msg1452840 date=1325345612]

carroll is fucking dismal technically.
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Rubbish.

FFF is spot-on in this thread.
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He's one of the least technical players I've ever seen play for us. Up there with Salif Diao. xx
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=48077.msg1452908#msg1452908 date=1325350877]
Is it's a lack of confidence that's stopping Carroll busting a gut to get on the end of every ball played in to the box?


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maybe crroll isn't making the runs because he feels he'll be wasting his time as the attackers spend too long on the ball, a good example being the run he made for adam only for adam to not feed him and waste the oppertunity because he felt like running with the ball.

look at the run he made for gerrard (okay he fucked up the chance with a heavy first touch) but he made a run that was timed to perfection.
 
The thing is, Gerrard plays the exact same crosses as Nolan/Barton did at Newcastle. Attacking those type of crosses is were Carroll is at his best. If Gerrard stays injury free and Carroll gets a run of games, he'll score goa and gain confidence. Needs to up his allround play though.
 
Ok so all we need for Carroll to be a longterm success for us is to find an exact replacement got Gerrard. Greeaaat!!
 
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Is it's a lack of confidence that's stopping Carroll busting a gut to get on the end of every ball played in to the box?


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maybe crroll isn't making the runs because he feels he'll be wasting his time as the attackers spend too long on the ball, a good example being the run he made for adam only for adam to not feed him and waste the oppertunity because he felt like running with the ball.

look at the run he made for gerrard (okay he fucked up the chance with a heavy first touch) but he made a run that was timed to perfection.
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It might also be because he's really lazy in almost everything he does.

Some of his closing down yesterday was a joke.
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=48077.msg1452908#msg1452908 date=1325350877]
Is it's a lack of confidence that's stopping Carroll busting a gut to get on the end of every ball played in to the box?


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maybe crroll isn't making the runs because he feels he'll be wasting his time as the attackers spend too long on the ball, a good example being the run he made for adam only for adam to not feed him and waste the oppertunity because he felt like running with the ball.

look at the run he made for gerrard (okay he fucked up the chance with a heavy first touch) but he made a run that was timed to perfection.
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you've got to be kidding me
 
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The thing is, Gerrard plays the exact same crosses as Nolan/Barton did at Newcastle. Attacking those type of crosses is were Carroll is at his best. If Gerrard stays injury free and Carroll gets a run of games, he'll score goa and gain confidence. Needs to up his allround play though.
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... and we went and spent how much on Henderson & Downing... when we could just have picked up Barton & Nolan for fuck all and been top thanks to Andy the destroyer and his 2 mates....

...missed a trick there Kenny....
 
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[quote author=Graham link=topic=48077.msg1452864#msg1452864 date=1325347101]
Thanks, lads.
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Yes welcome Graham. How did you come up with your username?
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48077.msg1452923#msg1452923 date=1325351645]
Ok so all we need for Carroll to be a longterm success for us is to find an exact replacement got Gerrard. Greeaaat!!
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Would be a lot easier just to hit the crosses with the same timing of the forwards run as Gerrard does, its not rocket science.
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48077.msg1452923#msg1452923 date=1325351645]
Ok so all we need for Carroll to be a longterm success for us is to find an exact replacement got Gerrard. Greeaaat!!
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Would be a lot easier just to hit the crosses with the same timing of the forwards run as Gerrard does, its not rocket science.
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Someone needs to point this out to Stuart Downing...
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=48077.msg1452627#msg1452627 date=1325330792]
His ball control, first touch and movement (he moves like an 45-year old alcoholic) are the most worrying aspects of his game at the moment but perhaps those Will disappear with more confidence. He doesn't suit our type of play, he's the odd man and perhaps he has realised that too.
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F*ck - you just said his ball control, first touch and movement are worrying - so given the fact that as a striker he cannot score - then that means he can't really do anything as a footballer can he ? £35M for that ? - they may as well have bought any one of us from this forum.
 
if and when we give carroll proper service and he still stinks the place out then by all means write him off but I think the service to carroll has been by and large rubbish.
not a fan but I find it hard to get on his back when he is hardly ever given any crosses and is hardly ever played in on goal.
 
It's a worry though that we have to have the right players to make him effective. For £35m he shouldn't have to rely on others.

But yes, let's see what he can do with Stevie back. It certainly looked more promising 🙂
 
I think he's got potential; but the price tag means he was a huge mistake by Kenny.
You cant spend that kind of money and wait for him to come good eventually.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48077.msg1453171#msg1453171 date=1325379222]
if and when we give carroll proper service and he still stinks the place out then by all means write him off but I think the service to carroll has been by and large rubbish.
not a fan but I find it hard to get on his back when he is hardly ever given any crosses and is hardly ever played in on goal.
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Doesn't help that his movement in the box is pretty shit too. He doesn't have that knack of being in the right place the way some of the top goalscorers do cf. Hernandez.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48077.msg1453171#msg1453171 date=1325379222]
if and when we give carroll proper service and he still stinks the place out then by all means write him off but I think the service to carroll has been by and large rubbish.
not a fan but I find it hard to get on his back when he is hardly ever given any crosses and is hardly ever played in on goal.
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Doesn't help that his movement in the box is pretty shit too. He doesn't have that knack of being in the right place the way some of the top goalscorers do cf. Hernandez.
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He'll never be a hernandez. That said the wee fuckers overall game is lacking, hence why he's not playing.

His mobility has to be better, the club are working on it & that's why he looks caught in to minds a lot. He reall is being blooded for next season, not this, not matter what the press or our fans may think.

Our new owners wanted to blow serious cash to who their intent when we got the Torres cash, & kenny took it to secure a player he thought he may miss out on in future. He may have fucked up, he may not have. But kennys track record of scouting is better than mine, so I'll trust him.
 
Hernandez was the first name that came to my head, but you could even replace him with Drogba (as many of our fans would like to think of Carroll in the same style bracket) as well as many others.

His general anticipation is just weak, and it's been that way all season. There was a point in the game when I think Adam laid it off with his head, and it was set for Andy to run onto it and thump it but he was so slow off the mark, taking ages to react. Yet it was no surprise.

I'd love it if his mobility and movement looked like it was improving, but I just don't see it. He's got one hell of a powerful shot and ability in the air and that's about it. He's just not a very smart footballer.
 
Holloway in his column today:
I am not disappointed by Andy Carroll this season – just disappointed at the way every newspaper harps on about his price tag.

Mark my words, the boy will be a very good signing eventually. He is just taking time to adjust, just like the Liverpool fans are taking time to adjust to him because I don't think they have had a player like him since the days of John Toshack.

Carroll is someone who likes to be nasty and horrible and to win every ball. He is great at it. In fact that is one thing he needs to perhaps get back – that aggression he had at Newcastle. He was superb there but I think he's tried to change his game slightly to play in the Liverpool way and I don't think he should. He needs to remember what he did when he first started at Newcastle – be a big, old-fashioned centre forward and make life a nightmare for the opposition.

His price tag is irrelevant. Newcastle did a good deal. Kenny had just arrived, Torres had gone, and he felt Carroll was the type of player he needed. Kenny felt he was worth that sort of money and who's to say he is wrong?

We are only half a season in and how many games has Carroll played? Any footballer needs to be playing regularly to produce their best and that is another reason why it is too early to judge him.

He is probably also suffering because of how successful Luis Suarez – signed at the same time – has been. But you can't compare them in any way because they are totally different players. Suarez has settled earlier but Carroll will come good, and when he does I hope a lot of critics will eat their words.
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Hes been flat footed, I've said it all season. His mobility HAS to improve, massively.

However at newcastle he had two things he doesnt have here, the team isn't set up to feed him & the balls aren't coming in early enough here.

He has to get more mobile cos we're not set up solely for him, but intelligent play. And get him the ball early for him to run into the box with.

Ten minutes. Ten fukcing minutes. That's all stevie needed to hit three pinpoint crosses in to Carroll setting him up.

Yes, stevie is a fucking genius, but FFS it shouldn't take that, downing could easily play that early ball in, but there's no one chasing the second ball. IMO kenny et al should have been doing more.

Suarez is a footballing genius, but we need another option cos he doesn't score, & we need to utilise that option, at the moment Suarez has been monopolising our chances, & amazing as he is it's reducing our goal tally.
 
Stan Collymore:

It will be the transfer ­sensation of all time. LIVERPOOL must send Andy Carroll back to NEWCASTLE and then ask Fernando Torres to pack his bags at CHELSEA and head home to Anfield.

Neither move has worked out, and everyone involved would be much better off if some deal could be hammered out for the £85million pair to return to their old clubs.

The issue with Carroll is that he had only been in the Premier League a short amount of time before leaving Tyneside­ and he desperately needs games.

Now, with Demba Ba heading off to the African Cup of Nations, Newcastle would surely jump at the chance to take Carroll back – even in a loan deal.

His style is not suited to Liverpool, so he cannot take all the blame for the fact his move has not gone to plan. When I moved there from Nottingham­ Forest I was in a similar situation,­ but I adjusted my game over time.

In this age, you’ve only got a matter of weeks to adjust before you are branded a flop, so Carroll needs to get back to basics and get some top-flight games under his belt. If it happens he could keep the Toon steam train chugging on.

It’s the same with Torres, who has seen his all-round game completely change over the past 18 months.

CHELSEA would surely cash in if an offer of anywhere above the £20million mark came in – and I reckon Paris St-Germain could well pounce.

The owners from Qatar are looking at every big name they can possibly get their hands on, and Torres will undoubtedly­ be on their radar.

He’s got a big year with Euro 2012 just around the corner, especially as David Villa is injured. Spain need Torres on top form and that’s not going to be the case if he stays at Chelsea. His confidence is shot to pieces and he needs a move.

I did think Sir Alex ­Ferguson might have signed him for MANCHESTER ­UNITED, but that boat has probably sailed now. He’s got enough options up front, especially with Dimitar Berbatov now on form. I don’t think we’ll see much activity­ at United or MANCHESTER CITY as those two go head-to-head for the title. They made their signings in the summer and now have more than capable squads.
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Unrelated post, forgive me.

Someone called in stan collymores show this evening, about Bolton.

He gave it the big buildup & said 'I believe there's a move imminent for Cahill, are you worried?'

The arl fella comes on & says 'come midnight tonight Stan I'm gonna be worried black'.

I had a good chuckle I have to admit, best of it is the fella had no a clue what he'd said. Not a fucking clue.
 
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