BR on PR

[Rosco]

That at 28 years old he looked like he had more than a few good years in his as a top GK?

That it was not unreasonable not to foresee his coming decline at the time?

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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It was totally unreasonable not to foresee the decline. A sackable offence if you worked in football, in my opinion.

Everybody remembers the 2% of goalkeepers that last into their 30's. Everybody forgets the 98%.

What kills me is that despite being horribly wrong you still think it was the right thing to do. You don't even think to question the logic that led to 20m pound mistake, (I think we should just call those 'Downings'). You'll throw your hands up and say nobody could have seen it coming and carry on safe in the knowledge that it was just bad luck that made it wrong.

 

[keniget]

Is it just me that thinks Reina's comments are that much of a big deal?

It's pretty common for a player to give his new manager a bit of a reach around in the press. It's all part of the game and it's difficult to really take anyone at face value based on what they say in these types of interviews.

There is every chance that Rodgers and Reina don't get on behind the scenes for him to take that kind of comment personally but that's really neither here nor there in terms of whether Reina should have said what he did in the press or not.

Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

And can someone give Ross his pat on the back so we don't have to endure his incessant "SOOOO WHEN IS REINA GONNA REACH HIS PEAK GUYS.... GUYS???? ANYONE??? I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE NOW..." posts whenever the subject of Reina pops up.

 

[gkmacca]

In 2010 Carragher said Houllier was 'the best manager that I've worked for'. I didn't hear Hodgson moan, or Rafa moan, or Roy Evans moan. I doubt they gave a toss, but, if any of them did, they acted like self-confident adults and ignored it. If you take offense at that kind of thing, and show it, and respond to it with sarcasm, it looks very, very childish and also sends out a sign that you're ripe for winding up.

 

[mark1975]

In 2010 Carragher said Houllier was 'the best manager that I've worked for'. I didn't hear Hodgson moan, or Rafa moan, or Roy Evans moan. I doubt they gave a toss, but, if any of them did, they acted like self-confident adults and ignored it. If you take offense at that kind of thing, and show it, and respond to it with sarcasm, it looks very, very childish and also sends out a sign that you're ripe for winding up.

It's a bit different though, because Carragher wasn't going out on loan to Ged, he's also a club legend at the tail-end of his career who's worked with alot of staff and as a consequence, has afforded himself the right to say it. It's also worth noting that Houllier wasn't a threat to anyone at that point.

When Reina went on loan, it looked like he would be going to Napoli as number one, with potential suitors Barca lining up to take him this Summer. Barca have changed tack and Rafa has found out what we already knew, that he's rapidly declined. He wrote a letter assuming that his future was written and is now paying the consequence. I don't think Rodgers has been particularly bitter about it. I don't know many managers who'd take a player back after that, when they clearly didn't want them in the first instance. It's no different to Fergie getting a gob on with Stam, or Dalglish with Aldo. It happens and you go your separate ways. It's not like he hasn't given players a chance to redeem themselves after initially viewing them as surplus, look at Skrtel. So he can be fair. The difference being that Skrtel didn't go mouthing off in the press.

I think he's been fairly professional about it. If he took him back after all that, I think he would then look like a tool. Kudos to him for being brave enough to put him in his place, too many managers let him get away with whoring himself around, blatantly.

 

[jimmy]

It was totally unreasonable not to foresee the decline. A sackable offence if you worked in football, in my opinion.

Everybody remembers the 2% of goalkeepers that last into their 30's. Everybody forgets the 98%.

What kills me is that despite being horribly wrong you still think it was the right thing to do. You don't even think to question the logic that led to 20m pound mistake, (I think we should just call those 'Downings'). You'll throw your hands up and say nobody could have seen it coming and carry on safe in the knowledge that it was just bad luck that made it wrong.

In a hindsight I was wrong. He did only give us one good season after that extension. I don't remember what your stance was at the time, but I take it from you that it's similar to what you're saying now - so hats off - you were right!
At the time, though I couldn't foresee it was going to be the case.

I've never claimed that I'm always right. Never. In fact I've been wrong quite a few times when it comes to football. But I'm not making my living from football and hold no post in football for which I have to worry if I say something stupid. So "sackable offence" does not really apply to this case. I'm just a football supporter who wants his team to do well, and my mistakes have (fortunately) no impact whatsoever on LFC.

I'm definitely more worried about mistakes I do in my own life and job. They might have severe impact on my life. And I do them from time to time.

Having said all that, I still think your mistakes and on going wrong stance re Luis Suarez are much worse than any football mistake I ever made. But we're not going to re-open this can, are we? 😉😀

 

[gkmacca]

You just don't respond to it publicly. Say what you like about the player, his past, his future, his form, his attitude, but don't make snide comments about the fact he didn't choose you as his best manager. It's horribly small-time.

 

[mark1975]

You just don't respond to it publicly. Say what you like about the player, his past, his future, his form, his attitude, but don't make snide comments about the fact he didn't choose you as his best manager. It's horribly small-time.

What do you suggest he should have said then Macca? He was asked about and responded. He could have just said, "he's not coming back", and I'm sure someone would have taken offense to that too. It's not small time, it's a big game with big players, he has to defend himself, otherwise you may as well bring back Hodgson with open arms. Dalglish could be as snide as anyone, for all his quips.

 

[gkmacca]

What do I think he should have said? I thought I made that pretty clear - anything he liked except for making a snide remark about what manager his ex-player preferrred. Utterly unnecessary.

 

[keniget]

What do you suggest he should have said then Macca? He was asked about and responded. He could have just said, "he's not coming back", and I'm sure someone would have taken offense to that too. It's not small time, it's a big game with big players, he has to defend himself, otherwise you may as well bring back Hodgson with open arms. Dalglish could be as snide as anyone, for all his quips.

I don't think there was any attack of him so there was no need for defence.

Rodgers, generally speaking, has been quite good at being respectful. It's nitpicking given that there isn't much else to talk about at the moment, but if the question is what should he have said, then for me the answer is something matter of fact.

Anyways, as said, doesn't really matter.

 

[Best Believe It]

Reina hedging his bets

[article]Pepe Reina refuses to rule out Liverpool return after Napoli loan
• Goalkeeper denies he has severed ties with Anfield
• 'I have two years left on my contract there'

Napoli's on-loan goalkeeper Pepe Reina remains at odds with the Liverpool manager, Brendan Rodgers, over his future at Anfield.

Last month Rodgers, in response to comments from the goalkeeper about needing to return to Merseyside to make a decision, said he believed the player had already made up his mind.

"Pepe made it very clear when he went to Napoli he was looking to move as he penned a great big letter saying he was going to work with the best manager that he'd worked with and thanked everyone for his time for Liverpool," said Rodgers.

However, Reina, reunited with his former Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez in Italy, denies he has already confirmed his departure.

"That is what the manager says apparently but I have two years left on my contract," Reina told BBC Sport. "Liverpool got another goalkeeper [Simon Mignolet] and they told me they were happy to loan me for a season.

"It was strange but I don't regret it. The only thing about the letter is that I just could say goodbye in a different way and I couldn't do it [in person]. There are always up and downs in a career and in the last two-and-a-half years at Liverpool there were different methods and perhaps I didn't do as good as I used to with Rafa."

Benítez remains circumspect on Reina's long-term future, with the 31-year-old strongly linked with a return to Barcelona to replace the outgoing Víctor Valdés. "He reads the game very well and is one of the best goalkeepers in the world," said the Napoli manager. "Will he stay at Napoli? He has a clause and we know it – meanwhile he should continue to do well until the end of the season."
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[Hansern]

Reina were all over a Barca move. Its not strange that the club planned on
without him.

 

[gkmacca]

Goalkeepers are like trousers. They're very personal things. They need to feel right.

 

[localny]

He was always banging on about Barca, and being comfortable...and then there was the United thing..
\And he's clearly a little arrogant. But still, great in the day,,

 

[Woland]

I've often accused BR of being full of shit but I don't think he is here. In fact he seems to have dramatically improved in the regard.

Fuck Reina. He always acted like he was bigger than us. Now he knows he's quite a bit smaller.

 

[Fabio]

First time reina has been classed as smaller than anything

 

[Modo]

 

[gkmacca]

Shut up Pepe!

 

[gene hughes]

I hope he gets his dream move to Manchester United this summer. They're at pretty much the right level for each other now.

 

[Athens]

Has anyone told Reina about the dunkin donuts deal?

 

[gkmacca]

His contract allows him to move for £4m, apparently.

 

[localny]

Pepe and the Microphones. That should be the name of his band when he retires.

 

[Judge Jules]

His contract allows him to move for £4m, apparently.

Pity it didn't compel him to do so when those goals started going past him towards the end of his time with us.

 

[Mors]

His contract allows him to move for £4m, apparently.

So I guess that means Napoli pony up 4mill for him, we accept and then get bummed out of about 70k a week for the remainder of his contract? That's about 7mill. so he'll actually end up costing us 3mill to get rid of?

 

[gkmacca]

For the silence it would probably be worth it. It gives me a headache just hearing his bloody name these days!

 

[peterhague]

Surely this £4m was agreed as part of the loan, and so would already have been reduced to take account of the cost to his new club of servicing his contract.


So, from £20m to £4m in two years, more or less. That's £16m for one year's crappy goalkeeping. Jesus. Makes me think we should seriously, seriously, consider selling Suarez while he's worth so much. Perhaps not this year, but next summer could well be the time.

 

[dmishra]

You sell your players at their peak value when you're a rebuilding team, not when you're on the verge of winning things. Selling Reina 2-3 years ago made sense. Selling Suarez now doesn't, even if his value is at his highest. If we win the title this year and the next, then we could consider it, depending on (i) how much longer we think he can sustain his level of play, and (ii) if he's still valued as highly as he is today.

 

[peterhague]

You sell your players at their peak value when you're a rebuilding team, not when you're on the verge of winning things.

Do you? I suppose that would depend on how many future trophies it's worth sacrificing for current ones, or if you think there's a particular opportunity at some specific point in time.

My main concern about selling him this summer would be missing out on the bonanza CL payments from 2015, because they can't be replaced so easily as trophies, and missing out on them risks missing out on yet more.

 

[mark1975]

I guess the irony is we've had a few years of no CL football, yet we're on the cusp once again, despite arguably not having the resources to compete, which I suppose compounds the point that you have to seize the here and now to win trophies and not preoccupy yourself too much with planning for a few years down the line, otherwise you end up like Arsenal, with an abundance of exciting talent continuously coming in, hampered by being an open door for your stars to walk out at any given time, completely undoing all of the aforementioned, "careful planning for the future".

 

[Judge Jules]

Well, you have to do both really. Forward planning without trophies in the meantime may well not work, but trophies without forward planning can quickly fade away.

 

[mark1975]

Well, you have to do both really. Forward planning without trophies in the meantime may well not work, but trophies without forward planning can quickly fade away.

Of course, but there's more than one way of doing it, and it doesn't necessarily boil down to gambling on when you think players are worth doing away with. Look at what happened with Beardo (for example). And it doesn't necessarily equate to "sell player X for Y amount when at their peak, and reinvest in a successor", because we know it doesn't always work like that, look at Spurs after Bale and, arguably, United after losing Ronaldo.