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I guess the irony is we've had a few years of no CL football, yet we're on the cusp once again, despite arguably not having the resources to compete, which I suppose compounds the point that you have to seize the here and now to win trophies and not preoccupy yourself too much with planning for a few years down the line, otherwise you end up like Arsenal, with an abundance of exciting talent continuously coming in, hampered by being an open door for your stars to walk out at any given time, completely undoing all of the aforementioned, "careful planning for the future".


I think Arsenal's plan would have worked admirably had they just splashed out occasionally on the 2 or 3 players they've desperately needed at certain times. I think that's had more to do with Wenger than anything else.

But as a model of how to maintain good performance on a tiny budget they've actually been pretty good.

Obviously you need a balanced approach. I just wonder if in Suraez's case it might be better to sell. He's worth, what, £70m right now? And will be worth more like £25m in 3 years (he'd be coming up 31 by then). So maybe £15m a year in capital, and £10m a year in wages.

It's a lot, is all I'm saying.
 
Don't get all the Reina hate. He was a good keeper. Excellent in his day. Loved his distribution.
He loved the club too. Even now - his stats with Napoli are as good as Mignolet.
20 league starts, 6 clean sheets, 21 goals conceded. (At least by a really basic count of Napoli games.)
I'm not saying that he left on loan in the right way - or that he wasn't on a downward slide towards the end of his tenure, but cut the guy a fucking break.
 
I liked him as a keeper, and as a person for the main part. But the whoring himself to United and Arsenal was beyond poor form, and he was shite for the last two years. Always got beat at his near post.
 
I liked him as a keeper, and as a person for the main part. But the whoring himself to United and Arsenal was beyond poor form, and he was shite for the last two years. Always got beat at his near post.

If they'd been kicking chocolate muffins at him he wouldn't have been beaten at the near post.
 
I think Arsenal's plan would have worked admirably had they just splashed out occasionally on the 2 or 3 players they've desperately needed at certain times. I think that's had more to do with Wenger than anything else.

But as a model of how to maintain good performance on a tiny budget they've actually been pretty good.

Obviously you need a balanced approach. I just wonder if in Suraez's case it might be better to sell. He's worth, what, £70m right now? And will be worth more like £25m in 3 years (he'd be coming up 31 by then). So maybe £15m a year in capital, and £10m a year in wages.

It's a lot, is all I'm saying.

You talk a lot of sense Pete but it looks like you might have confused yourself here.

One of the worst things about modern day football is fans turning into accountants, its such a load of bollocks especially when you twist yourself into knots over it all and come to the conclusion that selling your best player and best shot at trophies is a good idea, its mental.

Suarez will still be a beast in 6/7 years, a big factor why is that he isn't dependant on pace like most top strikers, does anyone really believe he'll just wither away when he reaches 30/31? he is the one elite striker i'ld bet on still being effective well into his 30s, his mindset and sheer will won't allow him to let up for a long time yet.

Look at Zlatan, never relied on pace and at 32 is as good as hes ever been.
 
Suarez will still be a beast in 6/7 years, a big factor why is that he isn't dependant on pace like most top strikers, does anyone really believe he'll just wither away when he reaches 30/31? he is the one elite striker i'ld bet on still being effective well into his 30s, his mindset and sheer will won't allow him to let up for a long time yet.

Look at Zlatan, never relied on pace and at 32 is as good as hes ever been.


I think Suarez does rely on speed a little more than you imply. You can't turn players like he does regularly without some kind of pace / acceleration in your locker. He has more to his game than say someone like Aguero, for example, which will hopefully mean he can still be productive later down the line but if I had to wager I'd say he won't be the same type of player you see today. Particularly given that his current game sees him running himself into the ground for 90mins each week.
 
Reina was fantastic to begin with and then awful for the last 2 seasons, and happily talking up a move to Barca/Scum.

The revisionist thing is rather amusing.
 
Don't forget that Rodgers didn't just bomb him out of the club. He worked hard with him, made him lose weight, got him fitter and got him a bit nearer to his old form. It was surely his attitude that triggered his release.
 
Don't forget that Rodgers didn't just bomb him out of the club. He worked hard with him, made him lose weight, got him fitter and got him a bit nearer to his old form. It was surely his attitude that triggered his release.

Also his (lack of) commitment. By Pepe's own admission, this summer he was basically saying, I could leave, or I could stay. It basically left Liverpool without control of the situation.
 
I think Suarez does rely on speed a little more than you imply. You can't turn players like he does regularly without some kind of pace / acceleration in your locker. He has more to his game than say someone like Aguero, for example, which will hopefully mean he can still be productive later down the line but if I had to wager I'd say he won't be the same type of player you see today. Particularly given that his current game sees him running himself into the ground for 90mins each week.
Technically, acceleration and speed are not the same thing.
 
I'm sure there is a Daily Mail article which says Alonso was shit for 2 years too.


Hardly the same is it? Plus I'm not really sure what that has to do with this issue. That link has actual quotes from Reina welcoming a potential move to United.
 
Just to be clear what comfortable Pepe said about the club he apparently loves

When asked on Spanish radio station Onda Cero last night about whether his future lay with his current employers or with their fierce rivals, Reina was non-committal.

He said: 'I won’t lie, I want to play in the Champions League and challenge for titles.

'Van der Sar will hang up his gloves in the summer so of course [United] are looking. I can’t do anything. I can’t say anything logically as I have a contract with Liverpool.

'Of course one likes to fight for titles and be in a team that does that. We always fought to be in the Champions League and try to win the title. But unfortunately it hasn’t been the case in the last couple of years.'
 
Well,
Gerrard wanted to join Chelsea
Suarez wanted Arsenal..
If Reina was still shit hot and wanted back I wouldn't be against it, tbh
 
I don't believe Stevie ever did "want" to join Chelsea. If he had, he would have done. He's a big fan of Mourinho, who nearly turned his head, but he never really wanted to leave LFC.
 
I don't believe Stevie ever did "want" to join Chelsea. If he had, he would have done. He's a big fan of Mourinho, who nearly turned his head, but he never really wanted to leave LFC.


I think he did want to leave us to win things and further his career and Chelsea just so happened to be the strongest candidate wanting his services at the time.

I wonder if he regrets not leaving Liverpool. Obviously he'd never admit it publicly now but perhaps there is a sense of what could have been privately. The years after the CL / FA Cup victories have been a struggle without too much in the way of reward bar a couple seasons.
 
We're going to have to agree to differ. I'm sure he did want to win things, but he specifically wanted to win them with us, and in the end the pull of the club was stronger than the prospect of greater success elsewhere.

For that reason I doubt he now regrets staying. He may well have wondered if he'd done the right thing at the time, but my bet is he realised a long time ago that he would never have been truly happy in another shirt.
 
The point is that Stevie did very publicly flirt with Chelsea, for more than a year, at a time when he was captain and still relatively young. I don't see how it was much better than what Reina did.

But personally I don't much care about either case. The club doesn't show players much loyalty either.
 
I think he did want to leave us to win things and further his career and Chelsea just so happened to be the strongest candidate wanting his services at the time.

I wonder if he regrets not leaving Liverpool. Obviously he'd never admit it publicly now but perhaps there is a sense of what could have been privately. The years after the CL / FA Cup victories have been a struggle without too much in the way of reward bar a couple seasons.

Thats not what he said in his book re Chelsea though. I dont think he wanted to leave either.
 
He was quite clear in his book. If we didn't give him 120k a week he was going to Chelsea
 
The point is that Stevie did very publicly flirt with Chelsea, for more than a year, at a time when he was captain and still relatively young. I don't see how it was much better than what Reina did.

But personally I don't much care about either case. The club doesn't show players much loyalty either.


Good summary of affairs. I agree.
 
There's no Pepe hate here, it was just a bit rich to hear him complaining about the way he departed, after he had shown an indication he wanted to join Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea. You can't have your cake and then complain it's moldy when you didn't take care of it!
 
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