Tell that to Brendan ' I want to recreate Swansea more expensively' Rodgers.
Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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Tell that to Brendan ' I want to recreate Swansea more expensively' Rodgers.
Lol.
Im in favour of (as if I hadnt made this clear already) shipping the shit (and any player whom we get a RIDICULOUS offer for) and if we can afford crap, then not buying anyone. Promote youth, invest in scouting networks etc.
I really think this is going to be one of our worst ever summers.
I agree, it is amazing. It's amazing how people seem to think that because we finished 8th, we should make the whole side pretty much salable, and not for a moment think to ourselves that we have probably 6 players who are top drawer and an overly average remaining team and squad of sizeable magnitude that should be trimmed first before we ever consider selling our prized assets.
I know that's probably thinking too much within the realms of sensibility, but anyway. Only a fucking deluded moron would think selling wholesale and 'starting afresh' would be a surefire way back into the top four.
If you think we can ship out the dead wood leaving enough free cash to improve the squad then I do have a monopoly on reason.
We're operating in a market where everyone is super conscious of wage bills, they aren't going to take on our horribly expensive players without us paying towards their wages.
We won't be competitive until the likes of Carra, Aquilani, Cole, Downing and others of that ilk are off the payroll. So i dont see any point in holding onto players at all costs, because some of them won't be good enough in a few years time. I'd prefer us to be cheap and shit rather than expensive and shit because at least we'd then have money for improvement. I've given up on the core of this squad.
It just makes no sense at all. If he goes we are going to gave to bring somone in. We were already a striker light, we let Dirk go, we brought Borini in , still short , and then we let Carroll go. We have to rely on Suarez, who is not exactly a striker, an untested Italian and an untried Morgan, to get us through the season.
This in an area, scoring goals, that we compltely and utterly fucked up.
I still can't see this happening, we would be better off letting Newcase have him now for 15m and be dine with it.
He should stay, see how things go and do any deals in Jan, anything else is just pointless. Ross us right if it does happen in seems pretty retarded, that is a bug if
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This in an area, scoring goals, that we compltely and utterly fucked up.
I still can't see this happening, we would be better off letting Newcase have him now for 15m and be dine with it.
He should stay, see how things go and do any deals in Jan, anything else is just pointless. Ross us right if it does happen in seems pretty retarded, that is a bug if
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Where have I said I expect us to improve the squad? Are you arguing with yourself?
I dont care if we sign NO ONE. Honestly I dont.
And I dont care if we sell Aqua, Cole, Carra etc I can see the reason in it.
I cant see the reason is selling Carroll, Agger, Skrtel, Henderson, Downing, Gerrard, Johnson, Shelvey etc and anyone else who has proved they can do a job for us.
Keep the squad, save the money on the wages from those we are shipping out and promote youth.
We might go backwards but I will have respect for us as a club.
But we all know it wont happen. We will sell two or three players and bring two or three similat players in and be back where we started but with a lower wage bill.
Brilliant.
Is Borini mediocre?
There's natural improvement in this squad, you said as much yourself. There are hundreds of players out there who are good and going to improve. If we look beyond how the team will be in the middle of August and think of adding now for the team in two years time we'll be fine.
I honestly dont know. But that isnt the kind of thing im talking about anyway as well you know. Borini is basically a direct replacement for Kuyt and i am fine with that. And if we sell Carragher and sign Caulker I will be fine with that. If we sell Aquilani and buy Allen I will be fine with that. If we sell Cole and sign a.n.other young midfielder at a cheap price I will be fine with that too.
That is not what I am rebelling against here.
I dont think anything is going to put is in contention. I certainly dont think telling a manager who has managed 38 games in the top flight of any league and 130 games total that he can sell everyone and sign cheap replacements is going to do it.
I understand what you are saying Ross. I just disagree. There are players we should keep. And those are the young ones and the ones who actually perform for us.
Quite.
You seem to think anyone who is at the peak of their ability and price should be sold, it's retarded and ultimately a selling club mentality. You might argue it's worked for Newcastle and Arsenal, fine. They've won fuck all though.
Presuming I'm understanding these ffp rules right, maybe this loan-permanent deal might be canny.
Should fsg fork out 20m on a replacement this year (the last summer before the ffp rules take effect - hence chelsea's splurge?), we'll then have an extra 17m income next year to be able to spend on players whilst still within ffp parameters.
Right?
Should fsg fork out 20m on a replacement this year (the last summer before the ffp rules take effect - hence chelsea's splurge?), we'll then have an extra 17m income next year to be able to spend on players whilst still within ffp parameters.
Right?
You give us far too much credit - yes we are that fucking dumb !!!
No I don't. it's a lot more subtle. It's about recognising where are and making realistic projections about the future.
But I do think anyone that genuinely uses the phrase selling club, big club etc etc as something meaningful is a fool. It's the childish bollocks that the media go on about. Every club sells players, the most successful club in the past 20 years are still in contention despite selling the second best player on the planet. Spurs got to where they are by selling their best players - Berbatov and Keane. They can improve further by now selling Modric and reusing the funds correctly.
We're about three years away from being a title contender, so anyone who is likely to be worse in three years time should be expendable. It depends on the offer and what younger players are available at the time.
Holding onto to players simply because they're good now is a mugs game if you actually want to win the title.
I take it you and Vlad have missed our attempts at selling Aquilani for a start.
Hahahahahahaha.
Progressed when we sold Rushie though despite all the 'Rush must stay' protests and selling club accusations.
That sale more or less paid for Barnes, Beardsley and Aldo.
That sale more or less paid for Barnes, Beardsley and Aldo.
Yeah, just like when we sold Torres we got a collection of wonderful players to replace him.
No, we got one top class player and then a bunch we now want rid of.
It's great getting a load of money to reinvest but only when those in charge of spending it know what they're doing. In recent times there has been very little evidence to suggest that is the case.
No, we got one top class player and then a bunch we now want rid of.
It's great getting a load of money to reinvest but only when those in charge of spending it know what they're doing. In recent times there has been very little evidence to suggest that is the case.
When it comes to our back four i think it's almost a win win situation. If we get a huge offer for the likes of Agger or Skrtel it wouldn't be the end of the world as we could probably replace them and have cash left over to put towards another player. If we keep our back 4 together for the next few years then we have a solid unit and it could buy us the time to slowly intergrate some of our many youngsters coming through the ranks.
I know potential is just that, but with talents like Coates, Kelly, Robinson, McLaughlin, Wisdom and Sama waiting in the wings, you'd have to think that 1 or 2 of them will make the grade.
I know potential is just that, but with talents like Coates, Kelly, Robinson, McLaughlin, Wisdom and Sama waiting in the wings, you'd have to think that 1 or 2 of them will make the grade.
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I really hope we don't sell Carroll.
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