Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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Lol.
Carroll, Downing - these English all look the same.
I'm with Redstar and Peter H. I said the moment we signed him that he was not a player to suit our style of play and although his form of late has surprised me, and I've been forced to at least chew on my hat, I'd be much happier with a forward of mobility and touch that wouldn't see our play break down so often when it comes to the final third.
If we can recoup 20M, with another 5m in bonuses if the buying team are successful, then we'll have got away lightly and Aqua will still remain our biggest financial transfer disaster.
If we can recoup 20M, with another 5m in bonuses if the buying team are successful, then we'll have got away lightly and Aqua will still remain our biggest financial transfer disaster.
He used to.
I've said he's a decent player, and still think so, but not for us.
And I said all that from day one.
Yup - you said he could be very good (or something like that), but that the system here would never suit him and hence was a wasted signing. Tbh, I think he could but it's not worth it if it forces us away from our strong points (which is Suarez etc)
True, there seemed an intended point there though about his strengths being different to what we're looking for. Maybe people have read too much into Rodgers' comments, there just seemed an intentional suggestion that his style may be an issue, which in turn would promote interest from other clubs.
I like big Andy, he's unplayable at times, but when he and the team are having a stinker, more often than not he lacks the quality to drag us out the shit, like a clinical striker might, or Suarez. That can only be down to his lack of technical ability and his more robust strengths. He's still, by and large, an old fashioned centre forward, who of course have their place, but if it's just that, as an option of sorts, for £35m and a big wage, you could see why we would be considering all our options.
"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," Reds boss Rodgers said when asked if Carroll could be heading for the exit door.
"I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan, then come in here in two weeks and a player's gone, and you're saying 'you said you wouldn't let them go'.
"There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?
"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.
"It gets them game experience, and they come back a better player, a more confident one. Certainly more so than if they've been sitting on the bench for the majority of the season."
Rodgers claims he has held talks with Carroll and insists the player is aware of the situation.
He said: "Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. I have spoken to him on his holidays, he knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."
"I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan, then come in here in two weeks and a player's gone, and you're saying 'you said you wouldn't let them go'.
"There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?
"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.
"It gets them game experience, and they come back a better player, a more confident one. Certainly more so than if they've been sitting on the bench for the majority of the season."
Rodgers claims he has held talks with Carroll and insists the player is aware of the situation.
He said: "Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. I have spoken to him on his holidays, he knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."
It could also be a kick up his backside, so he'll turn for preseason with a hunger and commitment to make it.
Andys problem at the beginning was that he looked like didnt care, and from Rodgers interviews we knw by now that he hates that.
Show me that you'll fight and adapt or out you go.
Andys problem at the beginning was that he looked like didnt care, and from Rodgers interviews we knw by now that he hates that.
Show me that you'll fight and adapt or out you go.
I still think Carroll could become a good player for us, if we play to his strengths of course, but if the manager has a different system and different players in mind then fair enough.
I don't see the value in sending him out on loan though. We don't have many players who can score goals, so we would be essentially getting rid of one of the few who potentially could, for nothing (even if it is temporarily)
Rodgers keeps saying that we don't have a great deal of money, so if he doesn't rate Carroll - who is still worth a fair bit of money, even if we did overpay horribly - I would say that the wisest thing to do would just be to sell. At least then we could buy a decent replacement or two
I don't see the value in sending him out on loan though. We don't have many players who can score goals, so we would be essentially getting rid of one of the few who potentially could, for nothing (even if it is temporarily)
Rodgers keeps saying that we don't have a great deal of money, so if he doesn't rate Carroll - who is still worth a fair bit of money, even if we did overpay horribly - I would say that the wisest thing to do would just be to sell. At least then we could buy a decent replacement or two
Yeah, I'm sure his confidence after getting a lot of praise for England was at an all time low. I'm sure he was really struggling for that at the moment. Hopefully these words about getting shipped out will have helped.
I think his attitude was a huge part of his failure to adapt here, as you alluded to, the state he turned up for preseason after last summer was quite frankly embarrassing. He was with the club over a year before he looked anything remotely approaching full fitness, from a professional athlete thats not acceptable, from a record signing for a club that was badly struggling it was an insult.
Rodgers is right to be distancing himself from Carroll, Kenny treated him like a soppy old uncle and was made a fool of, Rodgers seems determined to judge him on his merits not on what has been invested in him, if he does that it should take about 30 minutes in training for him to see that Carroll has absolutely no chance of making it in his system and its better for all concerned to get him out the door before he destroys the vaguely positive impression of himself hes created in the media over the last 3 months of mostly not playing.
I hope every one of the players feel they are in danger. We shouldn't be accepting complacency or a poor attitude from anyone and i'm not talking about ability here because some of our senior players were guilty of it. There were times last season when a few players looked like they didn't give a toss. I'm very hopeful that won't be accepted from now on.
That was his point in the presser imo, watched it once yesterday & listened to that & the radio conference on my taw podcast today, & he isn't hinting at anything towards Carroll specifically imo.
Its from Barrett. Nolan is there and Big Fat Sam plays direct football. This can happen.
Liverpool striker Andy Carroll opposes loan move and is ready to fight for place under manager Brendan Rodgers
Andy Carroll will oppose attempts to send him out on loan next season as he would rather fight for his place at Liverpool and prove he has the ability to play in a Brendan Rodgers side.
By Luke Edwards
9:45PM BST 10 Jul 2012
The new manager has indicated he is willing to give Carroll a chance to prove he can slot into the 4-3-3 formation he is likely to favour at Anfield, yet he also hinted at the possibility Carroll could be moved out on loan.
Liverpool have not had the sort of return expected when they paid Newcastle United a British record £35 million for Carroll in January 2011 and although he did reasonably well for England at the European Championship, it is difficult to see him slotting into the sort of system Rodgers deployed at Swansea.
Carroll would not command anything like the same fee should Liverpool look to sell this summer and it is only sensible Rodgers is contemplating a loan move for a player whose natural strengths seem to be at odds with his preferred style of play.
Any move would have to have Carroll’s approval, however, and for now the Geordie wants to show Rodgers he is flexible enough to adapt to a new team structure.
Nevertheless, having broken back into the England squad under Roy Hodgson, Carroll needs to be playing regularly at club level to stay there and it is unlikely his opposition to a loan move will remain if it becomes clear he will struggle to start games at Liverpool.
One player who should have no trouble making the transition under Rodgers is Luis Suárez and there is even the prospect of a new contract being agreed with the Uruguayan.
“I have had a good conversation with him over the phone,” said Rodgers when asked about Suarez’s absence from pre-season training because of his Olympic Games selection.
“We have exchanged lots of texts. He sent me a text on the first morning, wishing me good luck. He has really bought in to what we are trying to do.
“He was really excited about how we played at Swansea last year. He is really keen and looking forward to playing in a similar sort of model.
We hope we’re getting closer to agreeing a new contract with him. There has been good dialogue. I would hope going forward that we can close that out.
“People always talk about the players coming, but what is important are the ones you already have. I look at this group and I see a really good group of players.”
Rodgers will look to add to the squad he inherited from Kenny Dalglish, but has already made it clear there will not be a major change in personnel.
Roma’s Italian international forward Fabio Borini is expected to become Rodgers’ first signing, with the idea he will play on the right of a three-man strikeforce.
The 21 year-old, who only moved back to Italy after failing to break into the first team at Chelsea last year, could even link up with the squad in time to feature on their pre-season tour of North America.
Liverpool’s young midfielder Jonjo Shelvey signed a new contract. Shelvey has made only 37 appearances in all competitions since joining from Charlton in May 2010, but Rodgers has handed the 20 year-old an extended contract.
Andy Carroll will oppose attempts to send him out on loan next season as he would rather fight for his place at Liverpool and prove he has the ability to play in a Brendan Rodgers side.
By Luke Edwards
9:45PM BST 10 Jul 2012
The new manager has indicated he is willing to give Carroll a chance to prove he can slot into the 4-3-3 formation he is likely to favour at Anfield, yet he also hinted at the possibility Carroll could be moved out on loan.
Liverpool have not had the sort of return expected when they paid Newcastle United a British record £35 million for Carroll in January 2011 and although he did reasonably well for England at the European Championship, it is difficult to see him slotting into the sort of system Rodgers deployed at Swansea.
Carroll would not command anything like the same fee should Liverpool look to sell this summer and it is only sensible Rodgers is contemplating a loan move for a player whose natural strengths seem to be at odds with his preferred style of play.
Any move would have to have Carroll’s approval, however, and for now the Geordie wants to show Rodgers he is flexible enough to adapt to a new team structure.
Nevertheless, having broken back into the England squad under Roy Hodgson, Carroll needs to be playing regularly at club level to stay there and it is unlikely his opposition to a loan move will remain if it becomes clear he will struggle to start games at Liverpool.
One player who should have no trouble making the transition under Rodgers is Luis Suárez and there is even the prospect of a new contract being agreed with the Uruguayan.
“I have had a good conversation with him over the phone,” said Rodgers when asked about Suarez’s absence from pre-season training because of his Olympic Games selection.
“We have exchanged lots of texts. He sent me a text on the first morning, wishing me good luck. He has really bought in to what we are trying to do.
“He was really excited about how we played at Swansea last year. He is really keen and looking forward to playing in a similar sort of model.
We hope we’re getting closer to agreeing a new contract with him. There has been good dialogue. I would hope going forward that we can close that out.
“People always talk about the players coming, but what is important are the ones you already have. I look at this group and I see a really good group of players.”
Rodgers will look to add to the squad he inherited from Kenny Dalglish, but has already made it clear there will not be a major change in personnel.
Roma’s Italian international forward Fabio Borini is expected to become Rodgers’ first signing, with the idea he will play on the right of a three-man strikeforce.
The 21 year-old, who only moved back to Italy after failing to break into the first team at Chelsea last year, could even link up with the squad in time to feature on their pre-season tour of North America.
Liverpool’s young midfielder Jonjo Shelvey signed a new contract. Shelvey has made only 37 appearances in all competitions since joining from Charlton in May 2010, but Rodgers has handed the 20 year-old an extended contract.
Carroll isn't going.
Dempsey isn't coming in.
*sticks head in sand humming happy song*
Dempsey isn't coming in.
*sticks head in sand humming happy song*
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