Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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Mirror are saying Newcastle would take him for 17 million. I think we should ask for 25 million.
I would rather give him away to Tranmere than sell him back to that utter fucking wanker Llambias. I doubt Carroll would go near them anyway after the shite that cunt came out with last year. As for the wailing over Carrolls treatment by the club. Do people forget hes done fuck all for 18 months other than playing well for 6 games at the end of the season ? He's been shite and not looked arsed and now he's hard done by ? I hope he does stay though and I hope he fights like fuck for his place.
And now the criticism starts of Rodgers before a ball has even been kicked. So all the "give the manager some time" claims are no more than the usual bullshit and if he doesn't turn the club round in six weeks you just know all the 24 hour critics will be out in force.
And now the criticism starts of Rodgers before a ball has even been kicked. So all the "give the manager some time" claims are no more than the usual bullshit and if he doesn't turn the club round in six weeks you just know all the 24 hour critics will be out in force.
That would be Swansea who played with Danny 'poor man's Andy Carroll' Graham would it?
I've read all this Danny Graham chat on here the last month or two with some amusement Jon to be honest.
He's actually a good footballer. Have any of you watched him play? He's no world beater, but the boy can play with a ball at his feet, I'm telling you.
I actually think they're rather different in terms of their play, despite them looking physically similar. Graham is no mug. He moves well, very well actually, is quick enough, takes up excellent positions in the box, and does a great ;team' job. Plus, he's a good finisher.
There are far better players out there, but for Swansea and for what Rodgers was trying to do there coupled with what he had to work with finance and resource wise, he did the job perfectly.
I think Rodgers is looking at us and thinking that he's got more money at his disposal (especially if he sells Carroll) and doesn't have to make do as much. Plus, he's working with a better foundation of players, therefore thinks if he can add a quality frontman in in Carroll's place we'll be better off. I don't doubt he never sat and thought at Swansea that if he could replace Danny Graham with David fucking Villa that they wouldn't be in a better state, but he had to cut his cloth way more down there than he ever will do with us.
Anyway, I'm rambling. For me, they're a slightly different type of footballer, both with attributes that you could say are better than one another.
He's actually a good footballer. Have any of you watched him play? He's no world beater, but the boy can play with a ball at his feet, I'm telling you.
I actually think they're rather different in terms of their play, despite them looking physically similar. Graham is no mug. He moves well, very well actually, is quick enough, takes up excellent positions in the box, and does a great ;team' job. Plus, he's a good finisher.
There are far better players out there, but for Swansea and for what Rodgers was trying to do there coupled with what he had to work with finance and resource wise, he did the job perfectly.
I think Rodgers is looking at us and thinking that he's got more money at his disposal (especially if he sells Carroll) and doesn't have to make do as much. Plus, he's working with a better foundation of players, therefore thinks if he can add a quality frontman in in Carroll's place we'll be better off. I don't doubt he never sat and thought at Swansea that if he could replace Danny Graham with David fucking Villa that they wouldn't be in a better state, but he had to cut his cloth way more down there than he ever will do with us.
Anyway, I'm rambling. For me, they're a slightly different type of footballer, both with attributes that you could say are better than one another.
Yup 25 mil is about two third of the cost! Sell
lol you no speek chinglish?
That wasn't rambling Ryan, it's a decent point & I get you.
However I disagree, cos I think Carroll is a lot better with the ball that you give him credit for. He had a touch like kuyt on a bad day for his first six months here, & most people seem to be judging him on that alone.
Another thing that works in his favour is his work ethic, the lad spends as much time back defending & covering as rooney does for utd, & considering Rodgers focus on working for the team that gotta help.
Yor point about cash to spend may be the key though, if Rodgers feels he can replace him or play without him relatively easily he may choose to cash in & get two players of his own.
I don't think it's nailed on though. We've got borini in, but let kuyt go, & it seems Bellamy may be off also, I doing he'll leave us with just one forward.
However I disagree, cos I think Carroll is a lot better with the ball that you give him credit for. He had a touch like kuyt on a bad day for his first six months here, & most people seem to be judging him on that alone.
Another thing that works in his favour is his work ethic, the lad spends as much time back defending & covering as rooney does for utd, & considering Rodgers focus on working for the team that gotta help.
Yor point about cash to spend may be the key though, if Rodgers feels he can replace him or play without him relatively easily he may choose to cash in & get two players of his own.
I don't think it's nailed on though. We've got borini in, but let kuyt go, & it seems Bellamy may be off also, I doing he'll leave us with just one forward.
To emphasise the point, here's a bit of Graham from last season. I don't think I've ever used youtube to present a point about a player, but some of you are way too enamoured with this 'poor mans Carroll' business. Watch this, they're a different type of forward.
And before I get parphrased to within an inch of my life, I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they're a different type of forward.
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwKxaPOWneI
And before I get parphrased to within an inch of my life, I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they're a different type of forward.
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwKxaPOWneI
Also with maxi gone I think borini will be playing off the front man with suarez.
People who could play up front: carroll, suarez, borini, bellamy
People who can play off the front man: suarez, borini, Bellamy, pacheco.
Arguably he'll need replacing, but Rodgers would need to sound out any potential players before committing to taking a hit over carroll.
If he sells Carroll, there'll be another forward coming in. And I said 'forward' there, not necessarily a striker. Maybe not a number 9 in the Carroll mould, it could even be someone else to play along the front 3 that's a bit more flexible. But we need another 10-15 goals in the side regardless of Carroll stays, so he'll have to get someone else.
I think that cash is the key and Rodgers will cash in on Andy to bring in his own players. Andy's attitude, hunger and sharpness on his return may be key. The US Tour may be critical for him. Rodgers may decide that he can do without him if he doesn't perform.
With Kuyt, Maxi and now probably Bellamy gone, Rodgers needs to re-inforce our attack. Borini, possibly Dempsey and a winger (Sinclair) to come in to replace the outgoing trio.
With Kuyt, Maxi and now probably Bellamy gone, Rodgers needs to re-inforce our attack. Borini, possibly Dempsey and a winger (Sinclair) to come in to replace the outgoing trio.
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Carroll might not be as bad with the ball as some say but at least once or twice a game he'll make some awful pass or take a terrible touch and rightly or wrongly that sticks in the mind because it's so frustrating .
And yes he might be willing to help out dropping back but then when he's done that he doesn't have the ability to get back forward quickly enough, how often do you see him sauntering outside the box when he should be busting a gut to get in .
Personally i just don't think he'll ever have the movement or the finishing skills to be a top, top striker .
And just to finish my point, I actually don't believe Rodgers is sitting there thinking Carroll's fucking gash and there's no way I can build a system with him in it.
This is purely financial. Rodgers thinks he can get 15M for him, and buy someone more suited to the team and the style (notice I didn't say "someone better), and I tend to agree with him.
That's all this is.
This is purely financial. Rodgers thinks he can get 15M for him, and buy someone more suited to the team and the style (notice I didn't say "someone better), and I tend to agree with him.
That's all this is.
Whilst I understand the financial need to sell, surely money can be recouped elsewhere.
Adam & downing I'm not sure fit into (what I assume) will be Rodgers tactics.
What would we get for Adam, 3/4M? You can't do much with that.
And I'd be surprised if he's not trying to sell Downing too.
If he is selling him (yes I still have my head stuck on the sand over this) then if be inclined to agree with that fully.
I think potentially adam could be a 6-7m transfer. He did well for us last year (in the statistical sense anyway).
Downing hopefully could be another 7-10m transfer.
I'm just loathe to lose a striker who could be great for us. He forces defenders to mark him tightly just because he is strong and an aerial threat.
Plus he's got a foot like a traction engine.
If we rid, fine, i won't be happy but fine. Hopefully we'd get in a more than capable replacement, but i've got a fear it'll be a dempsey or someone older and a bit shitter
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Can someone please explain more to me about this Plan B concept and why andy carroll has to be it ? I mean yeah it's a pretty basic British tactic when struggling for a goal , knock it long to the big man , but if that's the case why don't we just move skrtel or agger up front ?. What did we do in the late 80s ? did we stick a big man on and get the likes of barnes to whip crosses in or the defenders pump it long ? Is this what all the top teams in europe do when they need a goal ?
anyway as last season proved and some have mentioned , Carroll wasn't exactly great when he came on and seems to be the sort of player who needs to play week in , week out to maintain form .
anyway as last season proved and some have mentioned , Carroll wasn't exactly great when he came on and seems to be the sort of player who needs to play week in , week out to maintain form .
Carroll is quite good, but he didn't play a lot and when we did he was being serviced by crap that everyone wants to see the back of now. I can't see how the manager can say of Henderson that he was under a lot of pressure because he moved from his boyhood club for a big price tag and that he should get a chance, but not the same of Carroll, who happened to score a couple of goals at Wembley and improve as the season progressed. But whatevers, if he goes I hope we buy someone shit hot.
I'm pretty sure that wherever he plays next season, Fulham or Newcastle or Liverpool, he'll do well.
I'm pretty sure that wherever he plays next season, Fulham or Newcastle or Liverpool, he'll do well.
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not disagreeing and everyone who plays against him says he is a handful but i do wonder how many defenders , certainly in the prem league , don't mind playing against him . I mean he's not the most mobile so centre backs know where he is , he doesn't drag them all over the place or run at them with pace which is what really makes big centre back lumps shit it . And anyway as last season proved more often than not , most are able to more than compete in the air with him . So yeah they might come off the field knowing they've been in a game but i reckon a lot would take that rather than chase some skillful , mobile forward all over the park .
Ryan makes some good points. The biggest difference between Graham and Carroll is mobility. Carroll isnt the type of player who stretches a defence with runs and plays of the shoulder of the last defender. Could he adapt? Well, thats the key question here isnt it. Carroll thinks yes, Rodgers wants someone who is more suited and is more natural in a fluid 3 man attack.
I hope he stays, but thats more a support thing than tactical. I love the big fucker and he has become a cult figure at Anfield. His last few months were excellent, and he deserves his chance.
Its a ballsy move by Rodgers though, I'll say as much.and wheter ornot he can afford to try and accomodate Carroll in to his side is a different matter. By his actions you can say no.
I hope he stays, but thats more a support thing than tactical. I love the big fucker and he has become a cult figure at Anfield. His last few months were excellent, and he deserves his chance.
Its a ballsy move by Rodgers though, I'll say as much.and wheter ornot he can afford to try and accomodate Carroll in to his side is a different matter. By his actions you can say no.
That's why he won the ball more in the air last season than any other player in the league. And the season before that. Including defenders.
The amount of headers he won that we wasted is there was no one else in the final third to capitalise on was shocking.
Could it be that the majority of those headers went straight to the other team with no chance of winning it?
Really, are we looking at aerial stats? The last thing I want to see this season is Carra hoof it Carroll.
Because its obvious he has ability. hes had an abysmal start with us but its obvious that there is a player in there who could be a monster.
Ah yes, forgive me, teams have never scored multitude of goals by having a tall forward win the slightest of touches on the ball time & again in the box so another player can score. Certainly not Liverpool.
We simply didn't get players into the box last season, so of course the other team got it, on corners we often had just 3 players in the box.
Because we completely lacked mobility
because we were static and dull and predictable
because we were SHIT
FFF smashes in with the right answer
I understand that, I also had a lot of time for Carroll. But he was only good in last 3 months of the season.
The only reason I'm a bit cautious about selling him is that we potentially might get robbed by another club. But if the money's right (+ £20 Million) I'd sell.
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