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Would you have Rafa back


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It's all about past achievements and events that decide whethere he should be the right man, and you would therefore assume that on that basis Rafa is a manager who is great when things are going his way. The moment there is a slight sniff of unrest though, and he contrives to fuck up every situation he's in.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43232.msg1236860#msg1236860 date=1293049233]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43232.msg1236855#msg1236855 date=1293048720]
Indeed, which is one major reason why I don't think the board would entertain the idea in the first place.
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Which is pretty much what Tomkins is saying and largely agreeing with.

His recent stuff has been an improvement on last years largely laborious and exhausting tomes.

I haven't a clue why everyone's getting hot and bothered about this one, albeit it;s the easy thing to do (rather than read it).
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It wasn't what Tomkins was saying at all; his purpose was to denigrate anyone who had the temerity to suggest that Rafa wasn't the chosen one and a victim of those who had no knowledge or experience of football and will never be able to atone for their sins short of raising Mother Teresa. He tries to disguise this with gormless little throw away lines like "he had his faults" before pointedly ignoring them while worshiping his virtues.

His agenda is so transparent it makes every attempt to disguise it cringeworthy in the extreme; his discussion in the initial paragraph of "balance" is rendered facetious and nigh on insulting by what follows. The (undeserved) defense of Roy, while intended to appear genuine, read like the caricature of a comic book villain from the 50's. I could go on and on but, suffice to say, there are few things this literary master piece would be considered an improvement on and I'm surprised by Ken's suggestion that it wasn't that bad, albeit with the caveat; "by Tomkins standards".
 
This is like the Iraqis wanting Sadam back, as the Americans (and us to a lesser extent) have fucked things up. The answer is not bringing back a Sadam-a-like, but getting someone in that knows how to sort it.

I can't believe, despite the way things are going at the moment, that half the people that voted think it would be a good idea to bring Rafa and all his plotting and scheming back. Fuck me

regards

PS I have not even bothered ploughing through the Tomkins thing I can guess what it gets at , and Wizardry probably has it well nailed.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43232.msg1236990#msg1236990 date=1293069625]

I can't believe, despite the way things are going at the moment, that half the people that voted think it would be a good idea to bring Rafa and all his plotting and scheming back. Fuck me

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I think most of that half have just suggested it in preference to the current manager Vlad.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43232.msg1236990#msg1236990 date=1293069625]
This is like the Iraqis wanting Sadam back, as the Americans (and us to a lesser extent) have fucked things up. The answer is not bringing back a Sadam-a-like, but getting someone in that knows how to sort it.

I can't believe, despite the way things are going at the moment, that half the people that voted think it would be a good idea to bring Rafa and all his plotting and scheming back. Fuck me

regards

PS I have not even bothered ploughing through the Tomkins thing I can guess what it gets at , and Wizardry probably has it well nailed.
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Thats a good analogy.

Whilst obviously having a higher pedigree than Hodgson, I’d be amazed if our new owners had even the remotest interest in hiring Rafa, given the in-fighting he seems to engender at every club he works for. Not to mention the vast amount of cash he spent in over 6 years at Liverpool in order to compile a piss-weak squad who could only limp to 7th place in the League (ironically the same position he'll leave the treble-winning Inter Milan in).
I think he needs a break from the game. Whatever it was that made him a good Manager has disappeared from his locker. If he were to take another job now and that bombed, you could start adding him to the Peter Reid, Bryan Robson etc. list and that would be grossly unfair.
 
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100014630/rafa-benitez-may-not-have-conquered-but-he-continues-to-divide/

At some point in Liverpool’s dead, still night, just hours after the news that Rafael Benitez would today be dismissed as manager of Inter Milan had broken, the wrought-iron fence which stands outside the Kop was festooned with white pieces of cloth, each one bearing a slogan. “Rafa come home,†read one. “Rafa is Scouse,†another. True, all were written in markedly similar handwriting, but the message they conveyed is accurate: they have not forgotten the Spaniard at Anfield. His shadow still looms large.

Yet, on the social networking sites and the fans’ forums, quite another message was emerging. Plenty of Liverpool supporters took a far from quiet pleasure in the demise of a man they blame for their team’s continuing travails. As his successor, Roy Hodgson, has pointed out, Benitez left Anfield with a squad that was simultaneously overstaffed and under-strength. He had clogged Melwood with driftwood and deadwood. He had, in a year of poor decisions, somehow undone the generally good work of his previous lustrum on Merseyside. For those who loathe his legacy, his shadow also looms, long and dark.

That, though, is Benitez: few managers, few characters in football divide more than the Spaniard. He is, to some, the winner of the Champions League, the UEFA Cup, two Spanish titles, the FA Cup and, most recently, the Club World Cup, the first manager to win major trophies with sides from Europe’s three big leagues. He is a tactical innovator, adept at maximising minimal resources to maximum effect. He produces sides – Valencia and the Liverpool of 2009, most notably – who play powerful, quick, effective football. He is warm and personable, possessed of a common touch.

To others, he is cold and calculating, a Macchiavellian plotter of almost compulsive belligerence. He is never happier than when he is at war with someone, something. He alienates players, chooses baffling systems, tinkers persistently. He thinks he is cleverer than he is, he is evasive and arrogant. His sides are stultifying, his success down to the spending of vast amounts of money he had at Anfield or the incompetence of others, as at Valencia. 2010, his annus horribilis, in which he lost two jobs – one by text, one by email – was simply the year his luck ran out.

It is a debate which will, most likely, continue to rage wherever he pitches up next, be it in the Premier League – a choice far preferred by his family, settled as they are in their home on the Wirral – or in Spain, where the task of recreating the success he enjoyed at Mestalla in breaking Barcelona and Real Madrid’s duopoly would no doubt appeal. It would be futile to put one case above the other, so easily contradicted is every point.

There is one point that all should be able to agree on, though, including Benitez himself. The biggest mistake he made this year, these 12 months he will long to forget, was agreeing to succeed Jose Mourinho in June. As one of his staff at San Siro remarked, the Inter job was “un caramello avellenato.†A poisoned sweet. Tasty from the outside, rotten at the core.

Being appointed manager of the most successful club side in the world may appear a sinecure, a matter simply of keeping things ticking over, but Inter, as of the end of the Champions League final seven months ago, were a side built for the past. Most of their first XI, the Mourinho stalwarts, were past their prime, exhausted from producing one final push to further the mystique surrounding the Portuguese. Massimo Moratti, Inter’s owner, was tired of spending money after 15 years of profligate dreaming. The club was sated. There was no hunger left. Into the end of the banquet walked Benitez, entirely famished. It was never likely to work.

That, perhaps, is Benitez’s greatest failing. Timing. Unlike Mourinho, he does not know when to arrive and when to quit.
He left Liverpool a year too late, a year after he might have walked into the Bernabeu widely respected around Europe. He came to Inter at the only time in their history when there was no work to be done, or work that anyone could achieve. It is a mistake he must not repeat, whenever he chooses to re-enter the market, if he wishes the arguments to subside, if he wants his legacy to be anything more than debate and doubt.
 
Vlad, almost everyone who voted yes has stated that it's based on the choice of Roy or Rafa.

I don't think anyone thinks it's a good idea to go backwards, but you have to acknowledge the fact that Rafa is probably the best available manager around at the moment.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43232.msg1236879#msg1236879 date=1293051968]
It wasn't too bad by Tompkins standards.
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That's kinda where I stand on the article too and I read it without knowing the source.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=43232.msg1237022#msg1237022 date=1293090173]
Vlad, almost everyone who voted yes has stated that it's based on the choice of Roy or Rafa.

I don't think anyone thinks it's a good idea to go backwards, but you have to acknowledge the fact that Rafa is probably the best available manager around at the moment.
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That does not make him the right manager for us though.
It's dead in the water , he has had his day with us. Rory Smith had it pretty well spot on. It would be a recipe for disaster. Henry seems to be far from stupid, so I hardly think he would welcome an employee like a scheming Benitez, he will still have the ear of those that lived with that time.
I thought, like many did that Hodson would be a good steady Eddie, it has not worked out that way, I was wrong, but what I am certain about is bringing Rafa back, and even for me it has an air of comforting sentimentality, would be a nightmare. If Hodgsom has to go it has to be a fresh pair of hands.

regards
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=43232.msg1236907#msg1236907 date=1293057796]
Could you imagine us taking back a Manager that we gave a 6M payoff to 4 months ago?

It'll never happen.
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I thought we only had to pay that much if he didnt get a new job
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43232.msg1236990#msg1236990 date=1293069625]

I can't believe, despite the way things are going at the moment, that half the people that voted think it would be a good idea to bring Rafa and all his plotting and scheming back. Fuck me

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I think most of that half have just suggested it in preference to the current manager Vlad.
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Thats about the ticket yes...

Rafa is the less of the two evils.. I wanted him gone as much as most on here last season, but he is a far better manager than the current feckin numpty we have. Hodgson just makes me cringe on the bench, during an Interview, In fact the name Hodgson in the same sentance as Liverpool Manager make me very close to want to Vomit.

If Roy went tomorrow.. I would be happy if we installed Rafa till the end of the season... (only till the end of the season mind..)

You would think he would do it pretty much for free anyway, given his love for the club and the amount of monies he attained in compensation over the last 6 months. It could be another Robbie fowler moment, second coming n all...

It is sad seeing Rafa in his current plight, despite his misgivings I do have a soft spot for him.. Seeing him on SSN in his just bog standard Adidas Tracksuit handing over a Coffee to a reporter, brought a tear to my eye... He looked like a dog without a bone. I think he will go insane without football, although some may argue he does need a break just to recollect his thoughts.
 
Rafa can fuck the shit off. I'm now a member of the ABSWSWR
Anyone but someone who starts with R
 
What about riijkard? 😉

Cards on the table. - I love rafa - but now ain't the time for the second coming...
 
Him giving coffee to reporters outside his house on the Wirral made me feel all warm inside.

God, I hope I'm not coming around to the idea.

No,no,no!
 
Too funny squiggles...

Vladimir comparing him to sadaam Hussein was another good one...

So what's the story - is he disliked by our senior squad on the whole? Who would find hid return untenable (that we actually care about)...
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=43232.msg1237391#msg1237391 date=1293153814]
What about riijkard? 😉

Cards on the table. - I love rafa - but now ain't the time for the second coming...
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Sooner Rijkaard than Rafa, but preferably neither.
 
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