Will Hughes

[Pesam]

Are these players going to add to a team chasing CL qualification? I don't watch much of the Championship, but is "best whatever" outside the Prem good enough?

Would we not be better off just taking our money abroad?

I struggle to see any Championship side selling their best player to a 'top' Premiership side for a couple million. They'll hike the price up.

Bradford are a 1st division team and would possibly accept £3m for Wells as long as we gave them "extra" for appearances/goals targets.

Adomah signed for Middlesbro from Barnsley for £1m less than a year ago but I think his contract was nearly up so maybe his true value was higher and we might need to also spend £3m on him.

The 2 of them would strengthen us because we don't have a decent wide left option and Adomah (who is very good on either wing) is a goalscoring winger. I'd go as far to say I rate him more highly than Moses.

Wells would strengthen our squad because we have so little cover for Sturridge, with Borini being out on loan we just have some inexperienced teenagers if anything happened to Sturridge and who knows, although unlikely, Wells could go on to prove better than Sturridge

 

[rurikbird]

Perversely, seeing as he's usually acted like he's broke when contemplating proven top class players, Wenger, more than anyone, exacerbated the trend by spending £5m + £7m in add-ons on Walcott in 2006 and then £12m +£3m in add-ons on Oxlade-Chamberlain a couple of years ago. That really invited all lower league clubs to look at any half-decent prospect in their squad as a major cash cow. And when cynicism finds stupidity you've got a problem. I doubt the accountants are pleased to find their clubs paying way over the odds for young players because they were deemed very important by the selling clubs. If the big clubs just said thanks but no thanks the fees would soon become more realistic, but of course most of them act wildly irrationally so the trend will continue.

12+3 for the Ox does seem a tad risky (even though he could well be worth more eventually), but in hindsight 5+7 for Walcott was a pretty great deal. So Wenger is not so "irrational" after all.

In any case, we are not in the position to call other clubs' transfer spending "irrational" when we are the ones who paid 35M for Andy Carroll.

 

[Hyena]

Perversely, seeing as he's usually acted like he's broke when contemplating proven top class players, Wenger, more than anyone, exacerbated the trend by spending £5m + £7m in add-ons on Walcott in 2006 and then £12m +£3m in add-ons on Oxlade-Chamberlain a couple of years ago. That really invited all lower league clubs to look at any half-decent prospect in their squad as a major cash cow. And when cynicism finds stupidity you've got a problem. I doubt the accountants are pleased to find their clubs paying way over the odds for young players because they were deemed very important by the selling clubs. If the big clubs just said thanks but no thanks the fees would soon become more realistic, but of course most of them act wildly irrationally so the trend will continue.

Why is is cynical or stupid for two entities to transact at a price that both are happy with?

If you think a player is worth the price then pay it. If not, move on.
Small clubs don't owe big clubs any favours.

 

[gkmacca]

And vice versa. These fees are too much.

 

[gkmacca]

12+3 for the Ox does seem a tad risky (even though he could well be worth more eventually), but in hindsight 5+7 for Walcott was a pretty great deal. So Wenger is not so "irrational" after all.

In any case, we are not in the position to call other clubs' transfer spending "irrational" when we are the ones who paid 35M for Andy Carroll.

5 plus seven SEVEN years ago. Not last year. That isn't clever at all. I know Arse-licking is almost obligatory on here but come on! And unless you think the Carroll deal means we are forever obliged not to recognise when other fees are inflated, that's one of the silliest arguments that's been seen on here.

 

[gkmacca]

Rodgers in today's presser: They've looked at him but no bids. He hinted that one or two people around him or the club 'have done him no favours by repeatedly making these links'.

 

[SummerOnions]

Said that Hughes is at the best place he can be

 

[Athens]

Said that Hughes is at the best place he can be

Did he die?

 

[Pesam]

Rodgers in today's presser: They've looked at him but no bids. He hinted that one or two people around him or the club 'have done him no favours by repeatedly making these links'.

Yeah I'm not surprised, I would imagine it's Derby and Hughes's agent who are pushing the LFC link in the hope we'll be daft enough to invest the £12m.
....Blackpool tried doing the same with Tom Ince for £8m and that backfired on them. Lower league clubs need to be a lot more realistic about the value of their young talent.

The only deals we should be interested in are deals that reward the selling club IF the player achieves certain goals e.g. the deal for Hughes could be..................

£6m signing fee
£2m bonus for an England cap
£2m (extra) for 10 England Caps
£1m for 50 LFC games
25% Sell-on clause.

That guarantees Derby at least £11m if he's as good as they think he is and the potential for another £10m or so if he becomes a star and is sold to Barca/Madrid/PSG etc for £40m.

 

[gkmacca]

Sam Rush,Derby's chairman, used to be CEO of the Wasserman agency and is well-schooled in the dark arts of sports agents. I suspect as Pesam says he's been hard at work on this.

 

[Modo]

Rodgers said: “I don’t normally talk about transfer speculation, but I do feel for this guy.
“He is a very talented player but no-one's doing him any favours by linking him to us.
“I read something had been agreed but nothing further from the truth. He is at outstanding club in Derby with great manager.
“Will Hughes needs to play football and is at best place he could be. It's because I have interests of player at heart, that's why I'm saying something.
“We're always looking for talent and he is a good player along with many others, but there's been no bid or anything.”

 

[gkmacca]

He's speaking via telegrams.

I read something had been agreed but nothing further from the truth. He is at outstanding club in Derby with great manager.

Telegrams. That's one for the teenagers.

 

[Modo]

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-overhaul-youth-set-up-6329786?

 

[Pesam]

I'm very pleased to hear that we've not been negotiating with Derby, I have seen nothing yet that would suggest Hughes is worth the sort of money Derby want.

 

[Ryan]

Don't know what Andre Wisdom had in mind. He has deleted the tweet now. pic.twitter.com/nj2oVHKkpc

 

[Modo]

André thinks he's shit.

 

[mark1975]

I'm guessing it's on the back of Rodgers comments today about not being interested, and then as per, SSN report old rumours.

 

[dakid1235]

Hughes tweeted this on th same day "Wouldn't it be brilliant if one day the newspapers told the truth..."

 

[Ossi]

Hughes tweeted this on th same day "Wouldn't it be brilliant if one day the newspapers told the truth..."

Two strange tweets indeed.
/Confused

 

[Ryan]

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider34m
...We reported #Liverpool 's initial £6m bid for Will #Hughes on Aug 22nd. Now we're ready to confirm signatures have been exchanged. #Done

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider32m
Will #Hughes has agreed terms with #Liverpool. He will join the squad either in July 2014 or July 2015.

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider30m
Fee, loan back possibility, not yet done with #Derby. Terms with the player are complete. #Hughes

 

[FoxForceFive]

Makes sense.

Those Rodgers comments about him being where he should be screamed that we were negotiating to buy & loan back for a bit.

Makes sense if stevie is gonna remain in the team (which he clearly is).

 

[Spionkop69]

That's part of the problem because up until this season Ramsey would have been deemed a failure. Picking young players from the lower divisions is very difficult because it's impossible to tell which ones can make the step up to the Premier League and which ones won't until they're given a chance.

If you ask Lincoln fans whether they thought Gareth McAuley would make a Premier League player, Northampton fans if Bradley Johnson would make it or MK Dons fans if Jason Puncheon would make it they'd all say no. Conversely most Ipswich fans thought Wickham would make the grade, most Cardiff fans thought Chopra would and most Peterbro fans thought Dwight Gayle would (although I still think he'll come good but maybe not at Palace).

For this reason I'm against spending bucket-loads on "potential" when there are "bargains" down there which would be much cheaper e.g. I recommended a £1m move for Ross McCormack about 2 seasons ago when his contract was in the final few months and Leeds would have accepted anything for him - bizarrely no EPL team came in for him - he has Premier League quality stamped all over him.

I would offer Bradford £3m & "add-ons" for Nakhi Wells and Middlesbro £2m for Albert Adomah (the best wide man outside the EPL) and let someone else have Hughes.

Agree on Ross McCormack. Cracking little player and from the games I've seen, and there's been a few, he'd play well in the forward midfield role very well at Prem level.

 

[Spionkop69]

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider34m
...We reported #Liverpool 's initial £6m bid for Will #Hughes on Aug 22nd. Now we're ready to confirm signatures have been exchanged. #Done

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider32m
Will #Hughes has agreed terms with #Liverpool. He will join the squad either in July 2014 or July 2015.

The Anfield Insider ‏@Anfieldlnsider30m
Fee, loan back possibility, not yet done with #Derby. Terms with the player are complete. #Hughes

So Anfield Insider knows exactly whats going on! There's a few people on Twitter who really act like they know it all, get all arsey about the likes of Indy Kaila but they also know diddly. They tend to be from overseas accounts too.

Some bloke called Liddellpool banged on about about LFC being the only English team to win in the Nou Camp. I tweeted him that it was twice and then he deleted the original tweet and wrote a new tweet to say twice.

Cunt didn't even acknowledge he didn't get it right. Loads of wannabes all over the shop.