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Championship gossip: Derby County's Will Hughes linked to Liverpool again - Arsenal 'miss out'
By Derby Telegraph | Posted: November 18, 2013
Will Hughes in action for England Under-21
THE Derby Telegraph understands there is no substance in a national newspaper report that Liverpool have won the race to sign Derby County midfield starlet Will Hughes.
Hughes’ future has been the subject of much speculation and the S*n has reported that the Anfield club
have beaten Arsenal to the sign the 18-year-old.
The report says that Liverpool boss Brendan Rogers has agreed to pay £12m for the England Under-21 international with the deal to be concluded in the January transfer window.
A host of other clubs, among them Manchester United, have been linked with Hughes but we understand that no offers have so far been received.
Read more: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Cha...tory-20094509-detail/story.html#ixzz2l14C32iB
By Derby Telegraph | Posted: November 18, 2013
Will Hughes in action for England Under-21
THE Derby Telegraph understands there is no substance in a national newspaper report that Liverpool have won the race to sign Derby County midfield starlet Will Hughes.
Hughes’ future has been the subject of much speculation and the S*n has reported that the Anfield club
have beaten Arsenal to the sign the 18-year-old.The report says that Liverpool boss Brendan Rogers has agreed to pay £12m for the England Under-21 international with the deal
to be concluded in the January transfer window.A host of other clubs
, among them Manchester United, have been linked with Hughes but we understand that no offers have so far been received.Read more: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Cha...tory-20094509-detail/story.html#ixzz2l14C32iB
Urgh he looks like Mickey Rourke's ball sack.
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is he any good ?
if we spend that much on him will we get some return straight away or will be waiting 6 yrs until he puts in a decent performance in the league cup ?
if we spend that much on him will we get some return straight away or will be waiting 6 yrs until he puts in a decent performance in the league cup ?
I hate Hughessss ...he comes, plays for the reserves, goes to slump and then we loan him to Blackpool, later sell him to swansea for 5m
Who is this lad? Any good?
Listen to the games on radio if he's playing.
He looks superb in the videos I've seen but very light weight.
Had a couple of his albums many years ago ... good times.
The next Ramsey or conor Wickham?
That's part of the problem because up until this season Ramsey would have been deemed a failure. Picking young players from the lower divisions is very difficult because it's impossible to tell which ones can make the step up to the Premier League and which ones won't until they're given a chance.
If you ask Lincoln fans whether they thought Gareth McAuley would make a Premier League player, Northampton fans if Bradley Johnson would make it or MK Dons fans if Jason Puncheon would make it they'd all say no. Conversely most Ipswich fans thought Wickham would make the grade, most Cardiff fans thought Chopra would and most Peterbro fans thought Dwight Gayle would (although I still think he'll come good but maybe not at Palace).
For this reason I'm against spending bucket-loads on "potential" when there are "bargains" down there which would be much cheaper e.g. I recommended a £1m move for Ross McCormack about 2 seasons ago when his contract was in the final few months and Leeds would have accepted anything for him - bizarrely no EPL team came in for him - he has Premier League quality stamped all over him.
I would offer Bradford £3m & "add-ons" for Nakhi Wells and Middlesbro £2m for Albert Adomah (the best wide man outside the EPL) and let someone else have Hughes.
BTW I know Wells is 23 and Adomah is 25 and therefore not comparable with the "potential" of Hughes but I think both of them could make the step up to the EPL NOW and even if they don't their re-sale value will be very good because they're proven stars in the lower divisions.
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there's a difference between making the step up to the premier league and making the step up to the level we should require .
If, god forbid, we decided to sell, say, Ibe, I bet we wouldn't get more than 5m for him, if that. If we sold Suso we wouldn't get more than that. So these championship sides that slap fees of over £10m on the heads of young players who've so far done very little are really having a laugh. If they develop and achieve certain targets then by all means reward the selling clubs but they shouldn't get it up front. At the moment they're leaving their young players at big clubs with such a weight of expectation on their shoulders that most of them will crack under it.
Well yeah but it's the same principle; it's impossible to be sure if any of these kids will make the grade until they're given a chance ergo £12m is too risky IMO.
I think you are forgetting the fact that these players have different roles at championship sides and at premier league sides
Usually those young players are key to their selling team while the likes of Suso and Ibe are fringe so it makes a lot of sense their value is different
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Yes, but that's of no relevance - or shouldn't be of any relevance - to the buying club. It's no good going down the divisions to buy a young hopeful if by doing so you pay more than you would for one at a bigger club. That's a very recent and very subjective phenomenon which would have wrecked the methods of LFC a few decades ago when it built whole teams from cheap players from lower league clubs. The real reason these players are now so over-priced is that their clubs know there's more money to be had if they try it on. And that only works because the big clubs are stupid enough to play along. There are some crooks in the championship, like Oysten at Blackpool, who are just taking the piss. There's no iron law there. It's the usual economist's practice of treating something entirely subjective as something immutably objective.
Grit? Maybe flair but I wouldn't say grit. He looks about 5st dripping wet, and seems about as imposing as Aspas whenever I've seen him play.
It's exactly what baconface has done for years.
Players values keep rising until they're about 26/27 (excluding injury or a market implosion) so 'taking a gamble' isn't that much of a financial risk provided you don't put all your eggs in one basket & buy a few of these players with the almost certain knowledge that you'll get your cash back on over half (usually most of them), lose a lot on a few & on the occasional player, strike gold.
Yeah and he is white too.
Are these players going to add to a team chasing CL qualification? I don't watch much of the Championship, but is "best whatever" outside the Prem good enough?
Would we not be better off just taking our money abroad?
I struggle to see any Championship side selling their best player to a 'top' Premiership side for a couple million. They'll hike the price up.
Perversely, seeing as he's usually acted like he's broke when contemplating proven top class players, Wenger, more than anyone, exacerbated the trend by spending £5m + £7m in add-ons on Walcott in 2006 and then £12m +£3m in add-ons on Oxlade-Chamberlain a couple of years ago. That really invited all lower league clubs to look at any half-decent prospect in their squad as a major cash cow. And when cynicism finds stupidity you've got a problem. I doubt the accountants are pleased to find their clubs paying way over the odds for young players because they were deemed very important by the selling clubs. If the big clubs just said thanks but no thanks the fees would soon become more realistic, but of course most of them act wildly irrationally so the trend will continue.
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