Why didn't Barnes get a testimonial?

[gkmacca]

Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
[/quote]

That was something that used to come up from time to time. I saw an interview with him once where he basically said that he wanted to go abroad when we signed him but the only offer that came in was from Liverpool.

If his ambition was to play abroad at that time then fair enough. One can't accuse him of putting the effort in and being a great player for us anyway.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Dalglish was better than Barnes.

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=35757.msg941654#msg941654 date=1252668504]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
[/quote]

That was something that used to come up from time to time. I saw an interview with him once where he basically said that he wanted to go abroad when we signed him but the only offer that came in was from Liverpool.

If his ambition was to play abroad at that time then fair enough. One can't accuse him of putting the effort in and being a great player for us anyway.
[/quote]

To be fair im sure the englich league being barred from Europe meant that a lot of the top players considered playing abroad and Digger was top top class.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35757.msg941659#msg941659 date=1252668861]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=35757.msg941654#msg941654 date=1252668504]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
[/quote]

That was something that used to come up from time to time. I saw an interview with him once where he basically said that he wanted to go abroad when we signed him but the only offer that came in was from Liverpool.

If his ambition was to play abroad at that time then fair enough. One can't accuse him of putting the effort in and being a great player for us anyway.
[/quote]

To be fair im sure the englich league being barred from Europe meant that a lot of the top players considered playing abroad and Digger was top top class.
[/quote]

Yeah definately. As I said, I don't blame him. He was great for us. Sadly for him once we got back into Europe he started having terrible injury problems ultimately went on the decline a bit.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941401#msg941401 date=1252626314]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941396#msg941396 date=1252624860]
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=35757.msg941395#msg941395 date=1252624487]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=35757.msg941392#msg941392 date=1252624360]
coz he was black?
[/quote]

Yes
[/quote]

Isn't he still black.
[/quote]

He's still black, and still not the best player we have ever had (by some way), but that's another old chestnut.
He left near enough bang on ten years before a testimonial could be arranged, assuming he had wanted one.

regards
[/quote]

Kenny remains Liverpool's greatest ever player however Barnes is not far behind. Absolutely phenomenal player.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
[/quote]

Finally somewhat of an answer to the original question.

 

[Modo]

Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.

Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]

I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak

 

[themn]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.

Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]

I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
[/quote]

At 1:06 the No.3 in blue does some impressive running backwards at speed.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

and then went to sleep

regards

 

[themn]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941764#msg941764 date=1252680262]
and then went to sleep

regards
[/quote]

Ha ha yes, he did all that and was totally ineffectual went it most mattered.

Great compilation though.

Ryan Babel/Albert Riera should be made to watch that a la Malcolm McDowell in Clockwork Orange.

 

[spider-Neil]

I personally don't think barnes was better than kenny. kenny pretty much single handidly won the european cup in his first season and pretty much won us the league in his last playing season in the final game v chelsea (that takes some balls). but when we're talking about raw unadulerated skill on the ball no one has been better than barnes. has there been a liverpool player before or since who won two PFA awards? just a pity he couldn't show what he could do on the european stage (england fucked him over on the international stage).

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35757.msg941774#msg941774 date=1252680609]
I personally don't think barnes was better than kenny. kenny pretty much single handidly won the european cup in his first season and pretty much won us the league in his last playing season in the final game v chelsea (that takes some balls). but when we're talking about raw unadulerated skill on the ball no one has been better than barnes. has there been a liverpool player before or since who won two PFA awards? just a pity he couldn't show what he could do on the european stage (england fucked him over on the international stage).
[/quote]

1) Why, was Stamford Bridge under attack ?

2) How was he in the West End ?

 

[Akakabooto]

[quote author=themn link=topic=35757.msg941755#msg941755 date=1252679191]

At 1:06 the No.3 in blue does some impressive running backwards at speed.
[/quote]

Hahaha that was excellent.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
[/quote]

Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.

Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]

I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
[/quote]

He wasn't our best player.

He's amoung them, but he's not better than Kenny.

And Vlad's point is very valid. The further some of our legends get into the past, the less credance is given to them in such debates. Many folks seem to have forgotten / never appreciate just how superb a footballer Graeme Souness was for us. I'd STILL have him as our greatest ever CM, even with Stevie G's undoubted greatness.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35757.msg941815#msg941815 date=1252684210]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.

Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]

I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
[/quote]

He wasn't our best player.

He's amoung them, but he's not better than Kenny.

And Vlad's point is very valid. The further some of our legends get into the past, the less credance is given to them in such debates. Many folks seem to have forgotten / never appreciate just how superb a footballer Graeme Souness was for us. I'd STILL have him as our greatest ever CM, even with Stevie G's undoubted greatness.
[/quote]

Souness was a majestic central midfielder and an inspirational captain. He eclipses Gerrard in that specific position however Stevie can excel in so many positions.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941808#msg941808 date=1252683687]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
[/quote]

Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?


[/quote]

You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to

regards

Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35757.msg941815#msg941815 date=1252684210]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.

Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]

I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
[/quote]

He wasn't our best player.

He's amoung them, but he's not better than Kenny.

And Vlad's point is very valid. The further some of our legends get into the past, the less credance is given to them in such debates. Many folks seem to have forgotten / never appreciate just how superb a footballer Graeme Souness was for us. I'd STILL have him as our greatest ever CM, even with Stevie G's undoubted greatness.
[/quote]

Correct. I am sure if Souness had been needed in any other position he would have been just as regal

regards

 

[Squiggles]

Fuck me, Barnes was astonishing.

I only vaguely remember him from my youth when his career was in decline.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941824#msg941824 date=1252684686]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941808#msg941808 date=1252683687]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
[/quote]

Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?


[/quote]

You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to

regards

Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker


[/quote]

You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.

 

[Whaddapie]

Wilko, are you REALLY insinuating that Kenny didn't have skill to burn?

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35757.msg941835#msg941835 date=1252685298]
Wilko, are you REALLY insinuating that Kenny didn't have skill to burn?
[/quote]

No, my posts merely state that for all Kenny's brilliance he was not known for pace, dribbling and taking free kicks. Three things that Barnes was brilliant at.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941832#msg941832 date=1252685219]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941824#msg941824 date=1252684686]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941808#msg941808 date=1252683687]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
[/quote]

Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?


[/quote]

You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to

regards

Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker


[/quote]

You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.
[/quote]
I did not mention pace. He could dribble, he took free kicks, he was a sublime and complete footballer.
You really are a grade one cock - fuck off

regards

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941840#msg941840 date=1252685684]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941832#msg941832 date=1252685219]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941824#msg941824 date=1252684686]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941808#msg941808 date=1252683687]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
[/quote]

Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
[/quote]

No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
[/quote]

Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?


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You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to

regards

Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker


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You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.
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I did not mention pace. He could dribble, he took free kicks, he was a sublime and complete footballer.
You really are a grade one cock - fuck off

regards
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I asked you if Kenny did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?

Your response? I quote "You are fucking right he did." Have you forgotton already? It was only minutes ago. Do skip the silly insults by the way, I couldn't give a toss.

 

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*stands on the side shouting "scrap, scrap"*

 

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What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.

regards

BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".

Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.

In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
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No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him

regards
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Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?


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You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to

regards

Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker


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You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.
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I did not mention pace. He could dribble, he took free kicks, he was a sublime and complete footballer.
You really are a grade one cock - fuck off

regards
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I asked you if Kenny did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?

Your response? I quote "You are fucking right he did." Have you forgotton already? It was only minutes ago. Do skip the silly insults by the way, I couldn't give a toss.

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Wilko I don't know what it is about you , but you have the extraordinary ability to wind up one of the most patient and placid posters on here......... oh wait - I do know, it's because you are a sanctimonious one dimensional, pedantic pain in the arse

regards