Why didn't Barnes get a testimonial?
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".
Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.
In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
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No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him
regards
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Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?
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You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to
regards
Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker
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You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.
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I did not mention pace. He could dribble, he took free kicks, he was a sublime and complete footballer.
You really are a grade one cock - fuck off
regards
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I asked you if Kenny did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?
Your response? I quote "You are fucking right he did." Have you forgotton already? It was only minutes ago. Do skip the silly insults by the way, I couldn't give a toss.
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Wilko I don't know what it is about you , but you have the extraordinary ability to wind up one of the most patient and placid posters on here......... oh wait - I do know, it's because you are a sanctimonious one dimensional, pedantic pain in the arse
regards
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Now that's much better. No expletives. Isn't it amazing what a brief nap can do for one's mood? Are you finished with debating Kenny and John's strengths?
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941840#msg941840 date=1252685684]
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941808#msg941808 date=1252683687]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941803#msg941803 date=1252683264]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941800#msg941800 date=1252682929]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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Frankly, this is quite ridiculous. Kenny was richly gifted however even at the peak of his powers he would have lost to Old Mother Hubbard in a ten yard dash whilst Barnes had more than "a bit of pace".
Kenny had wonderful vision, scored goals and was a genius playing just off Rushie for all those years however the King himself would surely admit that he couldn't dribble through an entire defence in the way Barnes did, he couldn't take the swerving, Brazilian style freekicks like Barnes and he couldn't deliver the devastating crosses from the by line that Barnes did.
In summary, history will remember Kenny as our greatest player however Barnes could do everything Kenny could do although not as well however Barnes has aspects to his play that Kenny was incapable of doing.
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No, Kenny Dalglish was a sandy haired Scotish lad that used to play for us, number 7, surely you remember him
regards
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Oh, I see. So this Scotish (sic) lad did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?
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You are fucking right he did. I may not know all there is to know about all these players that play overseas, I may not know even that much about that many players that play for other English teams. What I do know is about Liverpool teams from the seventies , eighties and nineties and who I know most about was Kenny Dalglish, I also know a fair bit about John Fucking Barnes, who turned up when he wanted to
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Another thing Wilko don't get smart with with your clever little (sic) for a fucking typo you wanker
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You poor old thing. You remember Kenny with pace, dribbling skills and as the team's free kick taker? Time for your nap, I fear. Perhaps you can have another think about it later. Oh, and watch your language whilst you're at it, you're old enough to know better.
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I did not mention pace. He could dribble, he took free kicks, he was a sublime and complete footballer.
You really are a grade one cock - fuck off
regards
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I asked you if Kenny did have pace, could slalom his way through a defence, did take magnificent freekicks and was known for great crosses from the by line?
Your response? I quote "You are fucking right he did." Have you forgotton already? It was only minutes ago. Do skip the silly insults by the way, I couldn't give a toss.
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Wilko I don't know what it is about you , but you have the extraordinary ability to wind up one of the most patient and placid posters on here......... oh wait - I do know, it's because you are a sanctimonious one dimensional, pedantic pain in the arse
regards
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Now that's much better. No expletives. Isn't it amazing what a brief nap can do for one's mood? Are you finished with debating Kenny and John's strengths?
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941858#msg941858 date=1252687161]
Wilko I don't know what it is about you , but you have the extraordinary ability to wind up one of the most patient and placid posters on here......... oh wait - I do know, it's because you are a sanctimonious one dimensional, pedantic pain in the arse
regards
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Must be something in the air over the past 24 hours or so, mate...
Can I use that one, in the future?
Wilko I don't know what it is about you , but you have the extraordinary ability to wind up one of the most patient and placid posters on here......... oh wait - I do know, it's because you are a sanctimonious one dimensional, pedantic pain in the arse
regards
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Must be something in the air over the past 24 hours or so, mate...
Can I use that one, in the future?
"They even pretend to be drunk when they post Mary....."
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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I take your wise word for that Vladders. By the way, for anyone who thinks some of us are COMPLETELY paranoid about media bias, as a kid I remember endless articles castigating Heighway because he wasn't George Best. The poor bloke was slammed week after week. Then Keegan got it. Neither played in the same position really.
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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I take your wise word for that Vladders. By the way, for anyone who thinks some of us are COMPLETELY paranoid about media bias, as a kid I remember endless articles castigating Heighway because he wasn't George Best. The poor bloke was slammed week after week. Then Keegan got it. Neither played in the same position really.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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Oh for fucks sake Wilko, you don't give up do you.
At the very start of this debate I said that Barnes obviously had more pace , that was a given.
Dalglish was capable of and indeed did all the other things that you mentioned. He could ghost past players as well as anyone, strike a dead ball as well as anyone, and dink clever little crosses into the box as well as anyone.
Will you give it a rest please, before I really do get pissed off
regards
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Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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Oh for fucks sake Wilko, you don't give up do you.
At the very start of this debate I said that Barnes obviously had more pace , that was a given.
Dalglish was capable of and indeed did all the other things that you mentioned. He could ghost past players as well as anyone, strike a dead ball as well as anyone, and dink clever little crosses into the box as well as anyone.
Will you give it a rest please, before I really do get pissed off
regards
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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I take your wise word for that Vladders. By the way, for anyone who thinks some of us are COMPLETELY paranoid about media bias, as a kid I remember endless articles castigating Heighway because he wasn't George Best. The poor bloke was slammed week after week. Then Keegan got it. Neither played in the same position really.
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Its because George best had the best long hair
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
What about Steve Heighway in his prime? What about Peter Thompson in his prime? What about Billy Liddell in his prime?
It's this never ending issue of who was the best player, with the youngest generation believing the heroes they have seen, or just missed were the greatest.
The further back in time you go the weaker the evidence as there is less footage.
What I can tell you though is that in no way was Barnes better than Dalglish other than from a bit of pace.
regards
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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I take your wise word for that Vladders. By the way, for anyone who thinks some of us are COMPLETELY paranoid about media bias, as a kid I remember endless articles castigating Heighway because he wasn't George Best. The poor bloke was slammed week after week. Then Keegan got it. Neither played in the same position really.
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Its because George best had the best long hair
regards
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941883#msg941883 date=1252689467]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
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Don't fall for it Sheik
regards
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
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Don't fall for it Sheik
regards
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35757.msg941883#msg941883 date=1252689467]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
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I simply argued my opinion as he argued his. Should debate be avoided on this board so as not to be labeled self-righteous?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=35757.msg941877#msg941877 date=1252688620]
Yay. I made Wilco smile. Or have you got wind?
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When you think of Kenny and his extraordinary ability as a player do you remember
A/ a pacy player with dribbling skills who got to the by line before crossing and who took the team's free kicks or
B/ a player with a great eye for goal, wonderful vision, strength on the ball, a telepathic understanding with some of his teammates with amazing speed of thought rather than speed of foot?
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B
But you're still a bit of a humourless, self-righteous fuddy duddy at times. Not that you'll be arsed what I think.
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I simply argued my opinion as he argued his. Should debate be avoided on this board so as not to be labeled self-righteous?
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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Ian st. John?
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On the left wing Dee?
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35757.msg941751#msg941751 date=1252678642]
BTW there were none better than I have seen in that position than Heighway at his peak
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Ian st. John?
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On the left wing Dee?
regards
I realise he was before even Vlads time ( 😉 ) but wasn't Liddell's "main" position left wing? That said, I guess you could fit him in wherever needed.
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[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.
Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]
I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
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At 1:06 the No.3 in blue does some impressive running backwards at speed.
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Terry "druggie" Phelan
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.
Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]
I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
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At 1:06 the No.3 in blue does some impressive running backwards at speed.
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Terry "druggie" Phelan
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I realise he was before even Vlads time ( 😉 ) but wasn't Liddell's "main" position left wing? That said, I guess you could fit him in wherever needed.
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Billy Liddell was defo a left-winger. He could play elsewhere but rarely did, and switched to centre-forward only in the last couple of years or so of his career when his pace was beginning to ebb away.
And no, I'm not old enough to have seen him live either. 😉
I realise he was before even Vlads time ( 😉 ) but wasn't Liddell's "main" position left wing? That said, I guess you could fit him in wherever needed.
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Billy Liddell was defo a left-winger. He could play elsewhere but rarely did, and switched to centre-forward only in the last couple of years or so of his career when his pace was beginning to ebb away.
And no, I'm not old enough to have seen him live either. 😉
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35757.msg941738#msg941738 date=1252677336]
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.
Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]
I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
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I was at work earlier therefore couldn't watch this until now. Great memories, Barnes was simply breathtaking. I witnessed on several occasions the home support during our away games giving him a standing ovation when he came nearby to take a corner even though he was responsible for giving their team a drubbing. Opposing fans recognized a player of such brilliance, the like of which they may not see again in their lifetime.
Maybe he didn't do as much as Dalglish did for the club, and I'm resigned to say that Dalglish was maybe the most influential player we've had. But if we're talking skill, passing, dribbling, crossing, awareness, control he is and was the best player we've ever had. That is as close to Maradona as we're gonna get and IMO Diego is the best player ever.
Have a look at this video and tell me that he wasn't our best player.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RmAo0uiarvA[/flash]
I wasn't lucky enough to watch Barnes in his prime, but my older brother, a Man Utd supporter btw, says that he's never seen a better player play for Liverpool.
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I was at work earlier therefore couldn't watch this until now. Great memories, Barnes was simply breathtaking. I witnessed on several occasions the home support during our away games giving him a standing ovation when he came nearby to take a corner even though he was responsible for giving their team a drubbing. Opposing fans recognized a player of such brilliance, the like of which they may not see again in their lifetime.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg942114#msg942114 date=1252743451]
I don't think anyone had better awareness than Dalglish. I guess some haven't seen enough of the man at his peak. George Best (when he was sober and sensible) rated him as equal to di Stefano.
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Given that I rate the sober and sensible Best as the greatest player of all, that's good to know.
I don't think anyone had better awareness than Dalglish. I guess some haven't seen enough of the man at his peak. George Best (when he was sober and sensible) rated him as equal to di Stefano.
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Given that I rate the sober and sensible Best as the greatest player of all, that's good to know.
I don't think it's fair to say kenny could do what barnes did or barnes could do what kenny could but that that just isn't true. kenny was liverpool's best ever player but let's not make him into something he wasn't, kenny was about threading the eye of needle not about going past five players.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35757.msg942174#msg942174 date=1252749782]
I don't think it's fair to say kenny could do what barnes did or barnes could do what kenny could but that that just isn't true. kenny was liverpool's best ever player but let's not make him into something he wasn't, kenny was about threading the eye of needle not about going past five players.
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My point is, his game was not about that particularly, but he could do it if he needed to - and did on many occasions.
regards
I don't think it's fair to say kenny could do what barnes did or barnes could do what kenny could but that that just isn't true. kenny was liverpool's best ever player but let's not make him into something he wasn't, kenny was about threading the eye of needle not about going past five players.
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My point is, his game was not about that particularly, but he could do it if he needed to - and did on many occasions.
regards
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
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Finally somewhat of an answer to the original question.
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I partly answered the original question. He was here exactly ten years and left on a free, as a bit of a thank you , there was no time to give a testimonial. You can't really give someone a testimonial when he has already signed for another club
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35757.msg941636#msg941636 date=1252666895]
Digger has the image these days of a devoted Red, which he is, but it wasn't always that way. For several seasons he was talking about wanting to leave to play abroad, probably in Italy, and it was only when an achilles injury robbed him of much of his pace that he returned to the side and seemed resigned to staying at Anfield. That period niggled a few supporters at the time. But yes, of course, he deserves a testimonial - I doubt he would have been snubbed if he'd wanted one.
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Finally somewhat of an answer to the original question.
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I partly answered the original question. He was here exactly ten years and left on a free, as a bit of a thank you , there was no time to give a testimonial. You can't really give someone a testimonial when he has already signed for another club
regards
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35757.msg942174#msg942174 date=1252749782]
I don't think it's fair to say kenny could do what barnes did or barnes could do what kenny could but that that just isn't true. kenny was liverpool's best ever player but let's not make him into something he wasn't, kenny was about threading the eye of needle not about going past five players.
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My point is, his game was not about that particularly, but he could do it if he needed to - and did on many occasions.
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different players opperating in different parts of the pitch and whilst I will freely conceed kenny was better imho he wasn't MILES better as some people have said, again only in my humble opinion, based on the little I saw of either. for me if kenny was a perfect ten then barnes at his peak was an 8.5 (maybe even a 9).
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35757.msg942174#msg942174 date=1252749782]
I don't think it's fair to say kenny could do what barnes did or barnes could do what kenny could but that that just isn't true. kenny was liverpool's best ever player but let's not make him into something he wasn't, kenny was about threading the eye of needle not about going past five players.
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My point is, his game was not about that particularly, but he could do it if he needed to - and did on many occasions.
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different players opperating in different parts of the pitch and whilst I will freely conceed kenny was better imho he wasn't MILES better as some people have said, again only in my humble opinion, based on the little I saw of either. for me if kenny was a perfect ten then barnes at his peak was an 8.5 (maybe even a 9).
Have we narrowed down the selection to two players, regarding the best player we've ever had?
I'm not gonna be able to convince the majoity here that John Barnes obviously is the best player we've ever had.
So I'm gonna ask who was the better footballer, John Barnes or Kenny Dalglish?
* Dribbling
* Pace
* Vision
* Positioning
* Technique
* Ball-control
* Set Pieces
* Shooting
* Passing
* Crossing
* Agility
* Playmaking
etc
IMO Barnes wins most of the categories and that makes him the better player.
They belonged to different generations, so it's quite unfair to compare them.
But I've never seen a player perform the way Barnes did for Liverpool. It was magical.
I'm not gonna be able to convince the majoity here that John Barnes obviously is the best player we've ever had.
So I'm gonna ask who was the better footballer, John Barnes or Kenny Dalglish?
* Dribbling
* Pace
* Vision
* Positioning
* Technique
* Ball-control
* Set Pieces
* Shooting
* Passing
* Crossing
* Agility
* Playmaking
etc
IMO Barnes wins most of the categories and that makes him the better player.
They belonged to different generations, so it's quite unfair to compare them.
But I've never seen a player perform the way Barnes did for Liverpool. It was magical.
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