This goalkeeper

[kingjulian]

Why buy a shot stopper and then try to convert him to be a sweeper? Especially when you had a keeper who was good at that stuff, in the first place.

Kicking Reina out to bring Ming in never made any sense. If anything Ming should have been bought as competition given that Reina was showing signs of complacency.

I won't accept bullshit excuse that Reina wanted out...he had stayed put for more than 7 years and was not agitating for a move. Convincing him would have been easily done.

Many here cite his poor form in the season before he left on loan, as proof that we got rid at the right time...

It's probably those same people who want Rodgers gone now, and the same people who wanted Rafa gone, and the same people who wanted Xabi Alonso gone (for Barry ha fucking ha)....bad form tends to happen, and people have the capacity to bounce back. If you chop and change with no patience, then you end up with Ming and Lovren. If we get rid off Rodgers now, we will get the Lovren equivalent of a manager.

We will all be happy that he(the new manager if it happens) shouts well in the beginning and will want him to be the vice captain to have full control of all football matters, but the moment things go bad, we will want him fired....this forum does my head in when we are not winning even if its just one loss after a long run of good results.

 

[keniget]

Is this "sweeper" thing really considered to be a specialist skill?

For me it's part of the job description.

He doesn't need to be like Reina in his prime but he needs to have it in his locker.

 

[Fabio]

Is this "sweeper" thing really considered to be a specialist skill?

For me it's part of the job description.

He doesn't need to be like Reina in his prime but he needs to have it in his locker.

Knowing when to come out and when to stay back is quite specialist. All keepers can do it to some degree, but not all keepers can.

You never see bergovic, De gea or even Coutois coming out sweeping that often.

Now, whether that's down to effective communication with the cbs, or just how high the Cb line is

I think the sweeper role that Mignolet is being asked to play is so inconsistent due to the nature of the cbs in front of him.

Some times they're high, sometimes they're deep.

There was an instance against Stoke where Toure very nearly blocked Mignolet for coming out to sweep, it was only Simons strength that's helped him keep the ball

 

[gkmacca]

The keeper usually cited as the pioneer of the 'role' was Tommy Lawrence, a keeper who surely wasn't the most dynamic of players. But that aspect of the game doesn't strike me as one of Mingolet's major weaknesses anyway. His starting position has enabled him to intercept quite a few through balls in recent games. His problem is more in the box. He just doesn't communicate.

 

[jexykrodic]

I think he's a decent 'keeper but we could (and should) do better. His major problem is the defending in front of him, we invite far too much pressure in our final third. It's no wonder he looks nervy. He's still pulling off some good saves and saving us some points which is to his credit. He must be feeling a bit better about himself after the Stoke game.

 

[HC]

Sweeping is completely dependent on the position of your back four.

You never see courtois, de gea or begovic as they seldom have the need to as their playing style and or control dictate the necessity for the keeper to control a 20-30 yard line.

I'd definitely consider it standard fair for a keeper.

Neur seems to get endless praise for simply being efficient at it.

 

[Woland]

We should buy the league's in form keeper every year. It normally takes a season before we completely fuck them up, so just making sure we've got one who's been coached well somewhere else every summer should be adequate.

Either that or maybe hire some decent coaching staff, but I appreciate that idea is ridiculous.

 

[gkmacca]

Quite a damning comment about Mingolet by Rodgers after the match:

“We’ve had a lot of changes, we have a lot of different players and we are dealing with a different set of cards,” the Liverpool manager said. “You’ve got a goalkeeper who is struggling with the ball at his feet to play out, so you can’t expose him. Even though it was probably not how he wants to work, and hopefully in time he will get to a point where he is comfortable again playing, it was just important to win. That’s what we are paid to do'.

 

[Molbystwin]

I think he's a decent 'keeper but we could (and should) do better. His major problem is the defending in front of him, we invite far too much pressure in our final third. It's no wonder he looks nervy. He's still pulling off some good saves and saving us some points which is to his credit. He must be feeling a bit better about himself after the Stoke game.

Yeah... i think we all agree now we need better... Or do we??

I sort of disagree with what you've written there about his nerves. I think it's a vicious circle, I'm not scapegoating him I'm just convinced we need better.

A good goaly calms his defenders down. You need to be confident in your GK.

Hes clearly a player who gives a shit and therefore doesn't deserve opprobrium, it takes balls standing up there in front of 45,000 fans but that's the point really.

It's fine he made a good save, good on him, but making saves is the bare minimum especially the way we currently expect the goaly to play.

In Mig we are talking about a player whose distribution is really poor, who lacks courage in the air, doesn't command the area and really can't kick for toffee. Sadly Just one of those weaknesses should be enough to preclude his playing for us IMO.

He is not a shithouse and is a pretty good shot stopper, OK fine, he's what we've got... we should not expect him to be involved in tiki-taki bollox and see if the reduction in pressure helps him and then make a genuine effort to get a better player in January. That's just obtuse from Rodgers there, basically saying he isn't good enough yet not changing a damn thing!!

 

[keniget]

Quite a damning comment about Mingolet by Rodgers after the match:

“We’ve had a lot of changes, we have a lot of different players and we are dealing with a different set of cards,” the Liverpool manager said. “You’ve got a goalkeeper who is struggling with the ball at his feet to play out, so you can’t expose him. Even though it was probably not how he wants to work, and hopefully in time he will get to a point where he is comfortable again playing, it was just important to win. That’s what we are paid to do'.

Seems weird to single Mingolet out in the context of "a lot of changes" given that he's been here for a year. Is this another "not enough time on the training field" type comment?

Ming gets a lot of shit, and rightly so, but from where I'm sitting it's the outfield players that are causing most of the problems in terms of playing the ball out of our half.
The defenders and midfield are struggling to play it out far more than Ming is.

 

[Silver Sean]

Surely any goalkeeper nowadays must have grown up having to receive the ball to feet under pressure their entire lives. Why are so many so shit at it? Don't understand that. Before the back pass rule they were expected to clear their lines when through balls came at them outside the area or pick it up if inside. We're talking like Mignolet has suddenly discovered he is meant to do something with the ball at his feet.

 

[Silver Sean]

Seems weird to single Mingolet out in the context of "a lot of changes" given that he's been here for a year. Is this another "not enough time on the training field" type comment?

Ming gets a lot of shit, and rightly so, but from where I'm sitting it's the outfield players that are causing most of the problems in terms of playing the ball out of our half.
The defenders and midfield are struggling to play it out far more than Ming is.

The main problem is even though we have the players to take the ball at pace to their feet, turn quickly and move play forward, either though a forward pass, a give and go or laying it off, we are constantly just passing back where it came from even when there are five yards of space behind the player receiving the ball. Watch Barca, Bayern or any other good team and their midfielders and forwards get the ball and TURN to face the opposition goal.
This is something both Suarez and Sturridge do, and when Henderson etc are confident they do it to. It's a fundamental part of the game we are failing to do.

 

[jexykrodic]

If I were Rodgers I'd be telling the rest of the team to keep the ball away from him. He's a goalie not an outfield player, you can't trust him. The management team see him every day, they must know he's no player.

 

[gkmacca]

I think Clemence was one of the first keepers to really turn the long throw into a consistently potent attacking move, and that came about largely because his kicking was pretty poor. At least he had the sense to compensate by working on his throws, which became as fast and as penetrating as Reina's. Mignolet doesn't actually look that bad when he goes for the early throw out, but he doesn't do it often. He'd be better off replacing most of his kicks with that.

 

[Rafiagra]

Deffo new keeper time. He's as fragile as fuck

 

[Modo]

I think Clemence was one of the first keepers to really turn the long throw into a consistently potent attacking move, and that came about largely because his kicking was pretty poor. At least he had the sense to compensate by working on his throws, which became as fast and as penetrating as Reina's. Mignolet doesn't actually look that bad when he goes for the early throw out, but he doesn't do it often. He'd be better off replacing most of his kicks with that.

They were allowed to pick up back passes back then, so it made it a bit easier.

 

[Ryan]

He's fucking aids this cunt.

 

[Glen C]

I know jones isnt great, but surely he deserves a run of games now. Mignolet really is turd.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Needs to be taken out of the firing line.............

 

[Buddha]

I know jones isnt great, but surely he deserves a run of games now. Mignolet really is turd.

Jones is bloody awful though. At least with Mignolet you can be sure he'll make some decent shot stopping saves during a match.

Jones seems to dive in slow motion.

 

[Delinquent]

I think it's a case of the grass isn't always greener with those calling for Jones. Jones is a fucking horror show, and I don't think it would take long for him to prove that. I would persist with Mignolet and seek to replace him with quality at the earliest opportunity.

 

[jexykrodic]

Said yesterday that the ball should be kept away from him. He's no player. The team and Manager are putting him under needless pressure. His mates have dug him out of the shit, it can't go on.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Jones is bloody awful though. At least with Mignolet you can be sure he'll make some decent shot stopping saves during a match.

Jones seems to dive in slow motion.

Is Jones the only remaining Hodgson signing ?

 

[Markeh]

Is Jones the only remaining Hodgson signing ?

You made me curious:

PlayerFromFeeDate
Joe Cole Chelsea Free 21 July 2010
Danny Wilson Rangers £2,000,000 21 July 2010
Fabio Aurelio Free Agent Free 31 July 2010
Christian Poulsen Juventus £4,550,000 11 August 2010
Brad Jones Middlesbrough £2,300,000 18 August 2010
Raul Meireles Porto £11,500,000 29 August 2010
Paul Konchesky Fulham £3,500,000 31 August 2010


fucking hell what a horror show, suppose Meireles was ok at times.

 

[Roopy]

Jones definitely is no world class gk, having said that, when he has played I don't really recall him making any real blunders like Mignolet does.

But with the big champions league game coming up I can't see Rodgers dropping Mignolet this weekend in the league.

 

[6TimesaRed]

You made me curious:

PlayerFromFeeDate
Joe Cole Chelsea Free 21 July 2010
Danny Wilson Rangers £2,000,000 21 July 2010
Fabio Aurelio Free Agent Free 31 July 2010
Christian Poulsen Juventus £4,550,000 11 August 2010
Brad Jones Middlesbrough £2,300,000 18 August 2010
Raul Meireles Porto £11,500,000 29 August 2010
Paul Konchesky Fulham £3,500,000 31 August 2010


fucking hell what a horror show, suppose Meireles was ok at times.

To be fair.. Jones has not done much wrong when he has been called upon..

Christian Poulsen, unbelievable horror of a signing that was...

 

[gkmacca]

I think Brendan made a mistake saying publicly before this match how Mingolet was struggling 'and we can't expose him'. If you think that then either keep it unsaid or rest the poor bastard. I really can't see how that was meant to help him feck up less badly than before.

 

[Fabio]

I think Brendan made a mistake saying publicly before this match how Mingolet was struggling 'and we can't expose him'. If you think that then either keep it unsaid or rest the poor bastard. I really can't see how that was meant to help him feck up less badly than before.

All that would do is make opposition managers just go "pressure him and he'll fuck up more than ever"

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He's fucking muck the big squidgy nosed lemon

 

[Markeh]

To be fair.. Jones has not done much wrong when he has been called upon..

Christian Poulsen, unbelievable horror of a signing that was...

Yea I don't really have a problem with Jones either.

Poulsen, Wilson, Cole, Konchesky and re-signing a broken Fabio Aurelio. Total shite.