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Squarely on the manager…

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Rodgers have no clue how to get the best of the new players especially Balotelli. Yeah Balotelli has been rusty fuck since the day he came here but playing him alone up front for most of the games he's involved in doesn't help either. Markovic, Lallana and Lovren are all average players.

When will Rodgers learn??

Its too late now and we can kiss good bye to CL place next season.
 
That's rubbish.

Markovic is an absolute star in the making and looks the goods at international level. He's got the tools - just needs some time to make the adjustments any 20 year old would have to make in a new league.

Lallana and Lovren were both well above average players in this league last season. Lovren is part of the symptoms rather than the cause. He's certainly made more than his share of errors but our problems don't start with him. Lallana has been one of our better performers and about the best performed new signing this season.


There's plenty of stick being handed out for the players that Rodgers has bought in but, realistically, Lovren, Markovic, Can, Moreno all looked real talents previously while Lallana has performed well if not quite to the level we want.

What we didn't get - and we're paying for twice over with Sturridge's injury - is real, current, top class goal scoring prowess. I can only think Rodgers really feels he's been undone by Shaquiri not being released during the summer. IMO he's exactly the type of player who would have worked in with our philosophy - the winter window will be interesting.
 
Yup. Without Sturridge we're missing a genuine goal threat.


We need consistent sources of goals throughout the team, realistically. A threat from defenders at set pieces (I'm talking about a threat to the opposition here...), goals from midfield, goals from our wide players as well as Sturridge continuing to perform to the standards he has done.

At the moment Sturridge and Sterling have been the only players in the last season or two who look like they can score on a regular basis, from open play at least.

I did hope Lovren would chip in with headed goals in the opposition box (as well as hoping he would be a good centre back), but we don't have the personnel in central midfield currently who can provide the sort of 1 in 4 or better goal-rate we need. Sterling can score regularly (though it would help if the pressure wasn't all on him) but can Lallana, or Markovic, or Coutinho? We lack goals throughout the team, sadly.
 
Oliver Kay Chief Football Correspondent, Madrid
Published at 12:01AM, November 4 2014

It takes a certain kind of optimism to suggest right now that an assignment at the Bernabéu, home of the European champions, represents an opportunity for Liverpool rather than a cause for dread. Blind optimism, most would call it, but Brendan Rodgers did his best last night to remind his players of the qualities that got them back to the Champions League group stage in the first place.

The profound worry for Rodgers must be that those qualities — he cited intensity, wonderful football, courage, character and confidence — have been so glaringly absent from Liverpool’s play for much of this campaign to date. The Liverpool of last term would have approached Real Madrid in the belief, misplaced or otherwise, that they could get a result. On present form, you cannot help but fear for them against Cristiano Ronaldo and company.

Another concern, perhaps, is of the damage that could be done to Liverpool if they cannot somehow produce a performance this week to quell the growing sense of unrest around the club, particularly if a chastening result occurred with a questionable team selection. Any team selection is questioned and damned when a team slip up these days, of course, but the plan to rest Steven Gerrard, even if based on logic, will no doubt be held against Rodgers by some unless the gamble pays spectacular and unexpected dividends.

The tests are coming thick and fast for Liverpool. Tonight it is Real at the Bernabéu. On Saturday lunchtime it is Chelsea at Anfield. They have struggled often enough this season against moderate sides, most recently Newcastle United on Saturday, to raise concern that they could be taken apart by two of the very strongest teams in Europe.

“They have all facets to their game,” Rodgers said of Real. “They have the quality to play through you and then they also have that incredible speed on the counterattack. You have to ensure your team is super-compact, that your lines are close together. When you go forward, you do so in the correct [way] and you can’t leave yourself naively open on the counterattack because you have [Karim] Benzema and Ronaldo who stay up and you have [James] Rodríguez and [Gareth] Bale breaking through, so very quickly you are going to have four players against your back four or three.”

Do Liverpool have the personnel or even the know-how to combat that kind of attacking threat? Even at their best last season, when of course they had Luis Suárez taking the game to the opposition, they were hardly renowned for their mastery of the art of defending.

Rodgers resents the suggestion that his team cannot defend. “We have conceded 13 goals this season [in the Barclays Premier League],” he said. “Chelsea, who have a super squad, have conceded ten. Arsenal and Manchester City about the same, Tottenham and Manchester United more. The frustration has been the mistakes. That’s something we have to eradicate, but there certainly haven’t been too many times we’ve been outdone.

“Our defence has come in for a bit of criticism, over the organisation, but for me it’s a collective thing. The key for us is having that intensity high up the field, which sparks off the way we defend as a team. When you have an attacking philosophy, you’re going to be more susceptible because you’re not with nine players sitting behind the ball the whole time. We have to eradicate the mistakes — that’s something we’re very much aware of — but we want to retain our attacking philosophy.”

The problem is that, without the departed Suárez and the injured Daniel Sturridge and without the confidence and momentum that swept them so close to the Barclays Premier League title last spring, Liverpool have sorely lacked that dynamic. Both with and without the ball — and they are likely to be without it for long periods tonight against Luka Modric, Toni Kroos and Isco, who hopes to keep the fit-again Bale out of the starting line-up — they have struggled lately.

That struggle for confidence, cohesion and much else is part of the reason why Gerrard has been retained in the starting line-up so often rather than being rested. To rest him against Real would be a risk in tactical terms but perhaps a greater one in PR terms. Real would be hot favourites whether he was playing or not, but to leave out the captain in favour of a rusty Lucas Leiva or Emre Can would be a move that would play into the hands of Rodgers’s growing army of doubters if it backfired.

It was interesting Rodgers should speak of the “awful lot of money” the club spent this summer on players — Emre, Lazar Markovic, Adam Lallana, Mario Balotelli — whom he has to give “the opportunity to perform”. “If at the end of this cycle of games, they haven’t performed, they can never say they haven’t been given a chance,” he said.

It is, then, an opportunity for some of those players and, beyond that, for Liverpool to try to recover some lost pride and belief as they look to recover from a difficult start in group B. It is an opportunity, though, that it is hard to imagine them taking. A different kind of optimist may suggest of their recent ills that, in view of the fixture list, things may get worse before they get better.



Rodgers seems to be reverting to the old habits that really maddened me in his first season: constant buck pushing and coded snipes at his own squad. That quote - “If at the end of this cycle of games, they haven’t performed, they can never say they haven’t been given a chance” - is a real classic. You bought them, Brendan, or so you said, so don't act now as if you're a sceptical onlooker getting ready to bomb them back out of the club. One minute they're great prospects, handpicked, who'll be fantastic once they've been given time to settle in, the next they're just some bunch of misfits who are on trial before a manager who sounds like he doesn't trust them. Beneath all those hugs and pats there's a vulnerable little man who'll stab anyone in the back if it looks like protecting his position.
 
Rodgers seems to be reverting to the old habits that really maddened me in his first season: constant buck pushing and coded snipes at his own squad. That quote - “If at the end of this cycle of games, they haven’t performed, they can never say they haven’t been given a chance” - is a real classic. You bought them, Brendan, or so you said, so don't act now as if you're a sceptical onlooker getting ready to bomb them back out of the club. One minute they're great prospects, handpicked, who'll be fantastic once they've been given time to settle in, the next they're just some bunch of misfits who are on trial before a manager who sounds like he doesn't trust them. Beneath all those hugs and pats there's a vulnerable little man who'll stab anyone in the back if it looks like protecting his position.


I think I probably agree with you Macca, but just to play Devils Advocate here, is it not a reflection that realistically he's still a relatively inexperienced manager who is also struggling to adapt to his new surroundings?
 
Yes, but his ego demands that he acts like he's already some kind of Maureen-style Svengali figure, which is why, when things go wrong, he has to ring-fence his tactics, his judgements and his coaching and re-direct any criticism elsewhere. Maybe he saw the idiots who went for Kenny when he always claimed responsibility no matter who else was to blame. Maybe he's a quick learner in that sense. But I don't like it. It's Nixon-like in its slipperiness. Players need to trust a manager to stand up and defend their players and their club, not slope off to brief against them and pick one or two to hang out to dry. The last time we were in Europe? Don't blame me, we've got a wafer-thin squad. This time? Don't blame me, we've got a big squad and I don't know enough about it. Gerrard's contract? Don't blame me, I've 'relayed my views' to FSG. A potential humiliation against Real Madrid? Don't blame me, I'm merely assessing the strength of my squad and seeing who'll let me down.
 
I think we'd need someone like Lewandowski even more.


Don't laugh, but Balotelli can potentially be that player. Their styles are similar and Lewandowski also didn't hit the ground running at Dortmund, as you probably know. What we don't have is a Reus: someone who would terrorize defenses, create AND score.

Well, we kind of do in Sterling. But he is too young to carry the team as this role requires.
 
Don't laugh, but Balotelli can potentially be that player. Their styles are similar and Lewandowski also didn't hit the ground running at Dortmund, as you probably know. What we don't have is a Reus: someone who would terrorize defenses, create AND score.

Their attitudes aren't similar - which is the problem.

Nobody questions Balotelli's talent. It's certainly there.

The brain isn't.
 
Weirdly the most intriguing insight into Balotelli I've heard came from Mark Wright on the most recent 5Times podcast. As you probably know, Wright and his wife now work as foster carers and he's become quite experienced in dealing with adopted children. He wasn't excusing Mario's failures but he did say he felt he exhibits all the key signs of someone who was adopted at the age he was - vulnerability combined with the defence mechanism of quickly disappearing inside himself, a deep suspicion of, but attraction to, close-knit communities, the same deep ambivalence towards advice and instruction and, off the field, an occasional impulse to buy friendship and affection. It supported the feeling that unless Mario can find a Steve Peters type, but one who still works, he'll never be able mentally to unlock the obvious talent he has inside him.
 
Their attitudes aren't similar - which is the problem.

Nobody questions Balotelli's talent. It's certainly there.

The brain isn't.

I actually don't think it's his brain that's the problem so much as his emotions. He's different from Suarez for example, in that Suarez - wonderful player of course - isn't very bright IMO. With Balotelli I'm not sure that applies. In fact I suspect part of the problem is that Balotelli is brighter than his insecurities have allowed him to demonstrate, and that he gets bored very easily.
 
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