Fulham won't get relegated. They look a pretty tough, decent side to me.
LIVERPOOL v Fulham (H)
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43835.msg1264105#msg1264105 date=1296078900]
Actually I agree with Le Chacal today. Torres WAS isolated. It's not simply a question of formation, but when your two wide forwards are as slow as Maxi and Kuyt, and positioned as far away from the striker, it ends up being a negative (or at least an ineffective) formation even if that's not the intention.
[/quote]I agree. But not for the first half when we constantly had Kelly and Johnson supporting him
Actually I agree with Le Chacal today. Torres WAS isolated. It's not simply a question of formation, but when your two wide forwards are as slow as Maxi and Kuyt, and positioned as far away from the striker, it ends up being a negative (or at least an ineffective) formation even if that's not the intention.
[/quote]I agree. But not for the first half when we constantly had Kelly and Johnson supporting him
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=43835.msg1264115#msg1264115 date=1296079016]
It's interesting that Cole hasn't been on the field since Kenny returned. I wonder if he's not applying himself properly in training.
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Or maybe Kenny just doesn't fancy him? Hence the links for a move for him, again he's on big money, and is only a fringe player.
Ngog hasn't played since Kenny's been here either has he? He was on for a bit Vs Utd, but I think that's it.
It's interesting that Cole hasn't been on the field since Kenny returned. I wonder if he's not applying himself properly in training.
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Or maybe Kenny just doesn't fancy him? Hence the links for a move for him, again he's on big money, and is only a fringe player.
Ngog hasn't played since Kenny's been here either has he? He was on for a bit Vs Utd, but I think that's it.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43835.msg1264112#msg1264112 date=1296078972]
Yeah, but that's not what he was saying, he was saying the setup - playing a defensive midfielder and one upfront was negative, it wasn't. He was isolated because the wide men are slow and, today at least, were poor.
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But given that they're so slow, wouldn't it make more sense to play with someone up front closer to Torres? I'd have been very tempted to bring Wash on in the second half. Fresh legs, and he'd have held the ball up better than Torres did today.
Yeah, but that's not what he was saying, he was saying the setup - playing a defensive midfielder and one upfront was negative, it wasn't. He was isolated because the wide men are slow and, today at least, were poor.
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But given that they're so slow, wouldn't it make more sense to play with someone up front closer to Torres? I'd have been very tempted to bring Wash on in the second half. Fresh legs, and he'd have held the ball up better than Torres did today.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43835.msg1263814#msg1263814 date=1296073113]
Hodgson would have us winning by now.
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Hodgson at Fulham?
He would have had us winning even before we turned up at Anfield. It's an unfair comparison.
Hodgson would have us winning by now.
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Hodgson at Fulham?
He would have had us winning even before we turned up at Anfield. It's an unfair comparison.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=43835.msg1264114#msg1264114 date=1296078996]
I agree. But not for the first half when we constantly had Kelly and Johnson supporting him
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Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
We are just inviting pressure. We just hoofed the ball for the last 20 minutes.
At least Kenny brought some determiation, fighting spirit and character but football was dreadful
I agree. But not for the first half when we constantly had Kelly and Johnson supporting him
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Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
We are just inviting pressure. We just hoofed the ball for the last 20 minutes.
At least Kenny brought some determiation, fighting spirit and character but football was dreadful
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43835.msg1264130#msg1264130 date=1296079435]
We desperatly need to add a couple of players to the squad though
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Yeah, I agree. Off the top of my head, just randomly, I'd suggest a guy from Ajax called Suarez, Chabby Adamso and some guy with an awkward posture called Ashley Young. Would go down a treat.
I hate our crap negotiating.
We desperatly need to add a couple of players to the squad though
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Yeah, I agree. Off the top of my head, just randomly, I'd suggest a guy from Ajax called Suarez, Chabby Adamso and some guy with an awkward posture called Ashley Young. Would go down a treat.
I hate our crap negotiating.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=43835.msg1264135#msg1264135 date=1296079515]
Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
We are just inviting pressure. We just hoofed the ball for the last 20 minutes.
At least Kenny brought some determiation, fighting spirit and character but football was dreadful
[/quote] :sleepy:
Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
We are just inviting pressure. We just hoofed the ball for the last 20 minutes.
At least Kenny brought some determiation, fighting spirit and character but football was dreadful
[/quote] :sleepy:
Phew. Thank god they only got a couple of corners. A lot of nerves today but it's understandable at this point. As many have pointed out we wouldn't have won this a month ago.
Johnson and Raul our best players by far. Skrtel was again poor and we'll remain shaky at the back if he isn't replaced. Poulsen is another, he just hides on the pitch because he's so afraid of fucking up and is next to useless.
Johnson again showed all the attributes needed to play in the wing, I'd like to see it tried at least once.
Johnson and Raul our best players by far. Skrtel was again poor and we'll remain shaky at the back if he isn't replaced. Poulsen is another, he just hides on the pitch because he's so afraid of fucking up and is next to useless.
Johnson again showed all the attributes needed to play in the wing, I'd like to see it tried at least once.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=43835.msg1264135#msg1264135 date=1296079515]
Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
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Why would they? If the support isn't there from wide (or central), why would the unit push higher? We dropped back because we were worried about Johnson's pace in behind. That wouldn't have gone away because we had two upfront. Two players upfront can become isolated, just as easily as one can. I agree that we probably should have pushed Kuyt inside, to at least put the pressure on, but either way we still have the same problem - no quality or pace outwide, which results in no support.
Tell me why the team would push higher because we have two upfront? It's all chalk board bollocks. If the quality isn't there to provide the support, it isn't there. If anything, as we saw a few times under Roy, 442 just exemplifies the fact and highlights our weaknesses even moreso.
Is it really their main job?
With Cole or N'gog playing off Torres the whole team as a unit would play higher on the pitch. Hence the wingers also providing better support for our strikers.
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Why would they? If the support isn't there from wide (or central), why would the unit push higher? We dropped back because we were worried about Johnson's pace in behind. That wouldn't have gone away because we had two upfront. Two players upfront can become isolated, just as easily as one can. I agree that we probably should have pushed Kuyt inside, to at least put the pressure on, but either way we still have the same problem - no quality or pace outwide, which results in no support.
Tell me why the team would push higher because we have two upfront? It's all chalk board bollocks. If the quality isn't there to provide the support, it isn't there. If anything, as we saw a few times under Roy, 442 just exemplifies the fact and highlights our weaknesses even moreso.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43835.msg1264136#msg1264136 date=1296079535]
Yeah, I agree. Off the top of my head, just randomly, I'd suggest a guy from Ajax called Suarez, Chabby Adamso and some guy with an awkward posture called Ashley Young. Would go down a treat.
I hate our crap negotiating.
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whereas the man city negotiatng approach of 'here's my chquebook' and 'here's a pen' is really hot stuff innit?
i'm going to be controersial and say we don't really *need* any reinforcements, because although we're a good 5 or 6 players short of a complete squad, the current lot should really be good enough to coast to 7th and stands a fair chance of 6th. we're not going to get relegated, we're not going to get top 4. no-one really cares if we qualify for the uefa cup, although it's more likely than not that 7th would do it. the 3 players you mention - all good options, i agree - are *all* out of contract in 18 months, and *all* playing for clubs whose circumstances means they're desperate to hold on to them beyond the transfer window.
unless ajax or blackpool suddenly inexplicably surrender their positions, then the canny operator would wait it out and get them a good deal cheaper in the summer.
Yeah, I agree. Off the top of my head, just randomly, I'd suggest a guy from Ajax called Suarez, Chabby Adamso and some guy with an awkward posture called Ashley Young. Would go down a treat.
I hate our crap negotiating.
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whereas the man city negotiatng approach of 'here's my chquebook' and 'here's a pen' is really hot stuff innit?
i'm going to be controersial and say we don't really *need* any reinforcements, because although we're a good 5 or 6 players short of a complete squad, the current lot should really be good enough to coast to 7th and stands a fair chance of 6th. we're not going to get relegated, we're not going to get top 4. no-one really cares if we qualify for the uefa cup, although it's more likely than not that 7th would do it. the 3 players you mention - all good options, i agree - are *all* out of contract in 18 months, and *all* playing for clubs whose circumstances means they're desperate to hold on to them beyond the transfer window.
unless ajax or blackpool suddenly inexplicably surrender their positions, then the canny operator would wait it out and get them a good deal cheaper in the summer.
[quote author=queef link=topic=43835.msg1264184#msg1264184 date=1296080706]
I fink we were shit tonight. Gave dem time on da ball. Gerrard woz a shado of hisself
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Hi Queef. Welcome to the forum, it's great that you're here an' all. But how about cutting out the 'da' and 'woz' type business?
*friendly smile*
I fink we were shit tonight. Gave dem time on da ball. Gerrard woz a shado of hisself
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Hi Queef. Welcome to the forum, it's great that you're here an' all. But how about cutting out the 'da' and 'woz' type business?
*friendly smile*
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=43835.msg1263688#msg1263688 date=1296069324]
Not long now untill i unveil my new LFC hero.
Im also going to try to use
:sleepy:
and
😱
During the game without having to crowbar them in.
THIS GOIN BE FUUUN.
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Well who was it then can't be arsed trawling through this thread.
The match fuck me, we were very lucky to come away with 3 points. If there was ever a game that shows gerrard shouldn't be sitting as deep midfielder its this. Ming was stunning again all over the fucking pitch, lets hope he contines this rich vain of form.
I still don't know who scored, was down in the anny road and couldn't see it.
Not long now untill i unveil my new LFC hero.
Im also going to try to use
:sleepy:
and
😱
During the game without having to crowbar them in.
THIS GOIN BE FUUUN.
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Well who was it then can't be arsed trawling through this thread.
The match fuck me, we were very lucky to come away with 3 points. If there was ever a game that shows gerrard shouldn't be sitting as deep midfielder its this. Ming was stunning again all over the fucking pitch, lets hope he contines this rich vain of form.
I still don't know who scored, was down in the anny road and couldn't see it.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43835.msg1264172#msg1264172 date=1296080347]
whereas the man city negotiatng approach of 'here's my chquebook' and 'here's a pen' is really hot stuff innit?
i'm going to be controersial and say we don't really *need* any reinforcements, because although we're a good 5 or 6 players short of a complete squad, the current lot should really be good enough to coast to 7th and stands a fair chance of 6th. we're not going to get relegated, we're not going to get top 4. no-one really cares if we qualify for the uefa cup, although it's more likely than not that 7th would do it. the 3 players you mention - all good options, i agree - are *all* out of contract in 18 months, and *all* playing for clubs whose circumstances means they're desperate to hold on to them beyond the transfer window.
unless ajax or blackpool suddenly inexplicably surrender their positions, then the canny operator would wait it out and get them a good deal cheaper in the summer.
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It's not controversial at all,pete.
I hope we reinforce; but we cant be stupid with money we cant afford.
whereas the man city negotiatng approach of 'here's my chquebook' and 'here's a pen' is really hot stuff innit?
i'm going to be controersial and say we don't really *need* any reinforcements, because although we're a good 5 or 6 players short of a complete squad, the current lot should really be good enough to coast to 7th and stands a fair chance of 6th. we're not going to get relegated, we're not going to get top 4. no-one really cares if we qualify for the uefa cup, although it's more likely than not that 7th would do it. the 3 players you mention - all good options, i agree - are *all* out of contract in 18 months, and *all* playing for clubs whose circumstances means they're desperate to hold on to them beyond the transfer window.
unless ajax or blackpool suddenly inexplicably surrender their positions, then the canny operator would wait it out and get them a good deal cheaper in the summer.
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It's not controversial at all,pete.
I hope we reinforce; but we cant be stupid with money we cant afford.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43835.msg1264186#msg1264186 date=1296080838]
Hi Queef. Welcome to the forum, it's great that you're here an' all. But how about cutting out the 'da' and 'woz' type business?
*friendly smile*
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Leave the locals alone, diz iz ow we talk in the Liverpool. Ye OOT.
Hi Queef. Welcome to the forum, it's great that you're here an' all. But how about cutting out the 'da' and 'woz' type business?
*friendly smile*
[/quote]
Leave the locals alone, diz iz ow we talk in the Liverpool. Ye OOT.
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