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Man U v Liverpool - Official Match Thread

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[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=48641.msg1481283#msg1481283 date=1328984314]
Fair play to Rooney in his post match interviews, said it's between Evra and Suarez and no-else's problem.

Pity his manager didn't say something similar.
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Indeed. Whilst his team mates were calling Suarez a racist bastard in jovial fashion in the background.
 
[quote author=Kenny_is_King link=topic=48641.msg1481226#msg1481226 date=1328978731]
What right has Fergie to tell Liverpool who they should and should not have playing for them? Hate him!
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Our line up looked like Fergie had selected it and given the half-time team talk.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48641.msg1481160#msg1481160 date=1328975628]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48641.msg1481152#msg1481152 date=1328975481]

Lucas was actually good for about one game before he got crocked,


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Well, I wouldnt agree with that at all but it is a separate debating topic. I do agree that all this "look how right I was" bollocks is a bit sad though
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After he came back from his ban he began to be a consistently good poster who had picked up a hint of humility and conviviality. But he's reverted to type, and 90% of his posts are about drawing attention to his delusional self-professed foresight and genius. "I am the only one who sees we need world class players" etc., etc.
 
This has wound me up no end today, i've bitten like a bitch to some twats on facebook its been hard but give the twats it back, there's loads that have jumped on the racist band wagon just to give liverpool fc abuse..
 
It feels strange to say it but the voice of reason on TV regarding the handshake was literally Jamie Redknapp
 
One question: Why would Evra want to shake hand with a racist who has offended him?

It's all fucking bullshit.

Evra can fuck off.
Fergie can fuck off.
The whole fucking club can fuck off.
 
I wonder if the FA will consider trial and conviction of Suarez for the crime of not shaking hands with somebody? I wouldn't put it past them.

Apart from the Uruguayans and a section of Liverpool supporters, the whole world seems to believe that Suarez has been legally convicted of being a total bastard. Wherever I turn on TV and radion there are people reviling him. The latest was Jason bloody Roberts on Radio 5 Live's 606 programme.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=48641.msg1481299#msg1481299 date=1328985361]
One question: Why would Evra want to shake hand with a racist who has offended him?

It's all fucking bullshit.

Evra can fuck off.
Fergie can fuck off.
The whole fucking club can fuck off.


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[quote author=Portly link=topic=48641.msg1481316#msg1481316 date=1328988565]
I wonder if the FA will consider trial and conviction of Suarez for the crime of not shaking hands with somebody? I wouldn't put it past them.

Apart from the Uruguayans and a section of Liverpool supporters, the whole world seems to believe that Suarez has been legally convicted of being a total bastard. Wherever I turn on TV and radion there are people reviling him. The latest was Jason bloody Roberts on Radio 5 Live's 606 programme.
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Only in the UK it seems. Rest of the world are rolling their eyes at what is seen as hypocrisy.
 
Exactly so. For pity's sake, Portly, don't fall for this "rest of the world" crap. It's nothing but the English media trying to justify their posing on the issue.
 
Even the little po-faced nonentity who was reading the sports headlines on "Sky News" took it upon himself to explain to the newsreader what a disgraceful cunt Suarez is. It's become an established fact.

I would like to see the club suing a few people for all this loose talk and see how this affair would emerge from a proper court of justice. A defamation suit against Fergie would be a good start.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48641.msg1481322#msg1481322 date=1328990228]
Portly you've become Amercanised !
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48641.msg1481322#msg1481322 date=1328990228]
Portly you've become Amercanised !
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Cut the crap mutha! 😉

I know it's wise to think twice before hiring lawyers but this demonisation of Suarez has gone way too far.
 
Just when you think you cant hate that club, manager, players and fans any more, then this. Fuck all of them.

The game sadly, was shite. Wrong set up, and yet again some of our players dont turn up.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=48641.msg1481321#msg1481321 date=1328989885]
Even the little po-faced nonentity who was reading the sports headlines on "Sky News" took it upon himself to explain to the newsreader what a disgraceful cunt Suarez is. It's become an established fact.

I would like to see the club suing a few people for all this loose talk and see how this affair would emerge from a proper court of justice. A defamation suit against Fergie would be a good start.
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Actually I'm surprised Werner hasn't gone down that road. As a TV executive in the US he's seen stars get themselves into all kinds of career-threatening controversies and he's made sure his PR/legal team has intervened to protect his 'investment'. In this Leveson era of Press anxiety a few shots across the bows would have shut quite a few up, but instead we've just invited the blows to keep on coming.
 
My old man is adamant that Evra set him up...... His arm was perpendicular (check me!) To his chest for every other handshake but he drops it to his waist when Suarez gets to him. Mmmmmm.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=48641.msg1481324#msg1481324 date=1328990488]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48641.msg1481322#msg1481322 date=1328990228]
Portly you've become Amercanised !
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Cut the crap mutha! 😉

I know it's wise to think twice before hiring lawyers but this demonisation of Suarez has gone way too far.
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Surely you mean demonization?
 

Liverpool's Kenny Dalglish plays dumb to leave his dignity in tatters
Outraged by everything and ashamed of nothing, Kenny Dalglish's response over Luis Suárez sums up the paranoia enveloping Liverpool


In the end, it was difficult to know what was the more depressing and shocking: that moment when Luis Suárez walked past Patrice Evra, refused to shake his hand and reminded us this is a man whose brains are all in his feet, or afterwards when Kenny Dalglish tried to stare down the questions before coming up with a response that was so outlandishly flawed it made you wonder where he was storing all the qualities which we once associated with him?

What Suárez did was callous, premeditated and dimwitted to the point that, if Liverpool had any sense, they would have condemned it on the spot and at least salvaged a semblance of dignity. Instead, they reverted to their default setting whenever Suárez comes under scrutiny: this half-baked conspiracy that everyone is against them and that the only way to combat this is to go on the attack themselves. Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Perhaps we should be used to it by now but it was still shocking to see Dalglish, one of the giants of our game, eyeballing his interviewer and tell him that it was "bang out of order" to suggest that Suárez had done anything even remotely wrong.

At least Sir Alex Ferguson, so aggrieved he said Suárez should never be allowed to wear Liverpool's colours again, could step out of his own anger to acknowledge that Patrice Evra should have resisted his post-match victory dance.

This was the moment when Dalglish should have taken a deep breath and admitted that, yes, it was wrong of Suárez, unhelpful and immature, and he would be pointing this out to his player. Instead, he played dumb. He had no idea what had happened in the fair-play handshake and, in the absence of a polygraph, Robert De Niro would have been proud of his dramatic pose.

Then he realised the questions were not going to end there and it was here the paranoia, the blind bias and pigheaded denials all merged into one.

At one point he switched the subject to blame Sky. "When we had the FA Cup tie, because there was no 24-hour news channel, nothing happened." He cited the fact there were only two bookings in this game, ignoring that there were two separate flash points when police and fluorescent-jacketed security guards had to separate the players. Most pathetically of all, there were suggestions later on it was actually Evra who withdrew his hand. It was claptrap and, wisely, nobody from Anfield dared say it on the record.

Perhaps Suárez felt he had to corroborate the line that he has peddled all along, namely that it was all a bunch of spiteful lies on Evra's behalf. Plainly, he still maintains that calling someone "negro" during an argument is fine for a Spanish speaker, even if one of the best QCs in the country had deemed parts of his defence were "unsustainable and simply incredible". It is difficult, to be honest, to know what was going on between his ears.

"I couldn't believe it," Ferguson said. "I just could not believe it. We had a chat this morning and Patrice said: 'I'm going to shake his hand, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I'm going to keep my dignity.' And he [Suárez] refuses. The history that club has got … and he does that. It could have caused a riot. I was really disappointed in that guy."

Evra had grabbed Suárez's arm to remonstrate but it was just as quickly pulled it away again. Rio Ferdinand looked at Suárez with contempt. "I lost all respect for the guy," Ferdinand said later. "After seeing what he did, I decided I couldn't shake his hand." From Danny Welbeck, there was only the briefest touch of flesh on flesh. These players had agonised this week about whether they should conform and, in the end, they decided they had to do it because the alternative would be that they kept the racism issue going. "The referee didn't know what to do," Ferguson said. "It was a terrible start to the game, a terrible atmosphere it created."

Ferguson had written in his programme notes that his "biggest regret is the way Patrice has been castigated in some quarters for standing up to racism". Now he let it all out. "For a club with their history, I'd get rid of him, I really would," he said. "Liverpool Football Club have a player banned for eight matches, and they've tried to blame Patrice Evra? It's him they should be bloody blaming. He could have cost them a European place. He is a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club. That player should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again."

When the dust settles Evra may reflect it was silly to celebrate so provocatively at the end but, by that stage, he was probably entitled to a little triumphalism. He has been abused, demonised, booed and jeered since reporting Suárez to the referee at Anfield last October. Here was his chance to indulge in some schadenfreude and he took it, celebrating as though this were the last football match of his life.

He had been wrong, as well, to hunt out Suárez at half-time but, for those of us in the press box, the abiding memory of that point was the clutch of former Liverpool players stood around, shaking their heads and concluding with a mixture of embarrassment and horror that Dalglish would have to remove Suárez.

It had become clear very quickly that the Uruguayan was dangerously wound up but, seriously, was there any realistic prospect Dalglish would withdraw him? As far as the Scot is concerned, Suárez is beyond reproach. That, quite possibly, is the most alarming thing of all

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/11/liverpool-kenny-dalglish-luis-suarez.
 
[quote author=are we back? link=topic=48641.msg1481267#msg1481267 date=1328982962]
All is not as it seems....all over twitter https://twitter.com/#!/thisisanfield/status/168375136880300032/photo/1
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That's a well timed photo, Suarez pretended he was going to shake then moved on.
 
Unconvinced myself having seen the video.
Evras hand is a lot more withdrawn when suarez walks up to him
 
Right, read the first two lines of that. I'm officially done with Sky Sports News, newspaper articles, any build up to games and anything else that will make me want to rip someones head off and defecate down their neck. I could do without the rise in blood pressure.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48641.msg1481342#msg1481342 date=1328994213]
Poor Evra - abused, demonised, booed, jeered. Nothing of the sort has been aimed at Suarez or at LFC of course.
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Exactly my thoughts.

He's just treading along the current narrative.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48641.msg1481282#msg1481282 date=1328984071]
All those demonising Suarez for not shaking that prick's hand, what was your view on Wayne Bridge not shaking Terry's hand? Did you think that was a disgrace, that Bridge should have been the bigger man and just got over it?

As for that gobshite of a manager of theirs. We should get rid apparently as Suarez is a disgrace. What? Like you shipped Cantona out after assaulting a supporter? Hypocritical cunt. Keep your nose out and wind your neck in.
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Indeed. That fucking red nosed old twat.
 
After watching the "handshake incident" om you tube it's Evras fault but fuck it. Fuck manu.
 
I don't really want to watch it again, but can anyone confirm one way or the other, did Suarez actually attempt to shake hands, or put his hand out and just move it past?
 
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