Is Kenny doing a good job?

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He's doing a fantastic job. We've played lovely football for the most part since he's arrived and Carroll and Downing apart everything has gone pretty well.

I still think in time both will be fine signings. If Carroll goes onto to fulfill the promise he showed last year nobody will care about the 35m.
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The issue with that DB is that we didn't buy Carroll last January to be good in a couple of years. He needs to be good now and perform now or the team suffers.

It's not hard to see it being a Kenny signing - not like he hasn't had past experience in a very good big man/small man partnership up front. I could imagine him thinking when Suarez was coming in that he had a match made in heaven. The issue is that Suarez plays more closely to the big man role; he holds it up beautifull and sets up so many chances it's remarkable. What he's missing is the "small" guy sticking them in the back of the net.
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Apparently Defoe might be available come the end of the season...
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Defo needs more chances than Suarez to score.
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Like any striker, he needs regular football to find his sharpness. I think if he played every week he'd bag 20 goals a season. And I think he'd work brilliantly with Suarez.

 

[Whitey85]

Im enjoying watching us play at the moment which is half the battle. With a bit of luck we'll have Gerrard available soon and kick on from here.
We've got a good base squad wise to add to. As with previous managers i guess his next couple of transfer windows are going to be critical. Right now he's doing a sound enough job and if we get a few top additions we could be very good.

 

[jexykrodic]

I think Kenny is doing a good job. It's no surprise to me that our football has improved immeasurably. I'm sure that he is as frustrated as we are that our strikers haven't been able to hit the net more often. I think we'll continue to progress and wouldn't be surprised if another striker joins us in January.

More impressive, is the total change in the atmosphere, outlook and harmony around the club. It just looks a happy place to be. I think the new owners calm and thoughtful approach has created a firm base for the coaching staff to bring out the best in the players we have.

 

[RolandG]

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Serious question. Obviously we all love the King, that's never in question.

He was brilliant when he came in in January and turned things round in a massive way. But what are people's thoughts about how he's done since?
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After a sensational start I feel that Kenny lost his way somewhat but is getting us back to where we should be. There's a greater confidence about the lads and theyre getting their swagger back.

If we had won more of the games we have drawn, I suppose the question wouldn't be raised. Needless to say, Im thoroughly enjoying watching us play some scintillating football again. Lots of positives, young players coming through. The club has re-discovered its soul. Liverpool is becoming the Liverpool of old once again. May it long continue.

 

[Fabio]

I realise I'm on my own , but im not convinced I am enjoying the way we play

I enjoy the way suarez plays , or adam plays. Everyone else...not so much. We're still stupidly one dimensional

 

[peterhague]

i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.

 

[localny]

Last yeqr there was so many problems with us - and now its just one - we are not putting chances away. We are creating though. Do i wish we were higher? Yes! But we are juat three silly stupid results away - three home draws we should have won. We are not stevie/carra dependent and only three points off the cl. Chin up girls - its still all to play for

 

[Fabio]

Re: Re: Is Kenny doing a good job?

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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we do tend to be a bit jarg on the transfer front in recent times. Every success can be countered with an equal failure.

I'm just slightly frustrated now that we're worse off now than the start of last year.

 

[Red Mullet]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.

 

[spider-Neil]

TEAM A
-------------pepe---------------
johnson---agger---skrtel---enrique
maxi-----lucas---adam---bellamy
----------suarez---kuyt---------

TEAM B
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johnson---agger---skrtel---enrique
henderson-----lucas---adam---downing
----------suarez---carroll---------

you could argue 'team a' is better than 'team b' and 'team b' is 70m more expensive. ouch!

 

[Jack D Rips]

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There's not a lot more to say really. Enrique's been better than I thought he'd be, which I've admitted before. Adam's got a lot better over the last month too. I'm not entirely convinced by him but there you go.

We needed and still need world class players in attack. I've talked long and hard about this many times so I'm not about to do it again. Saturdays game jus reemphasized it to me really; we're so so short of quality in attack. And the team we could be had that mega-purchase of Carroll gone on someone better, more suitable, just kills me really.

I'm still in favor of Dalglish, no doubt. But he's made mistakes, no doubt.
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You actually called Enrique a "chump". So Im glad he's better than you thought he would be.
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Enrique was a chump and Adam mediocre. The thing is, I'm sure Ryan would not have reached these conclusions had he actually watched these players much.He is right that Carroll is looking like a spectacular waste of money though.
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Probably. But if he hadnt watched them much then he had no right to form those conclusions.

Im also well worried about the Carroll situation.

 

[Mystic]

Kenny isn't helping matters much with Carroll though, Andy should have come on in the 60-70th minute against QPR. We were losing ground and we needed an outlet, I don't understand why Kenny didn't play him, I can only think he was being stubborn on the matter.

 

[Spionkop69]

A good job so far.

People need to remember how far we have / had fallen. Yes, money has been spent and yes not all of it well, but the club needed to return to some of its traditions:

Business behind closed doors.
Using the press to our advantage.
Playing proper football again.
Improve the backroom staff

These are all happening and are the foundation stones for further improvement. Make no mistake, we are still work in progress but given the above, I'm very happy to say that I'm pleased with the job Kenny has done, not that I would have expected anything less.

 

[Molbystwin]

Two big fuck ups in Carroll and Downing IMO, a shame because we are lacking enough goals to challenge, having said that we are playing some really lovely stuff at times and defensively we are sound and IMO nearly every single thing the man has done has been pure Liverpool and the right way to do it....I dont go into the big games fearing that we are gonna get torn a new one anymore....

Aside from that.... every single thing the man says is just so fucking spot on and pure LFC .....It really is refreshing to see us managed properly again.... Downing and Carroll need to sort their shit out and fucking soon because i will hate them forever if they let Kenny down. But the truth is i think we can finsih even without them two actually doing anything useful....

I really hope we can get Stevie back in the mix as well... just to add that little bit more magic and passion and we get in the CL next season because if we do I can imagine FSG will invest even more.

 

[spider-Neil]

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Using the press to our advantage.
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we are? how?

 

[Mystic]

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Two big fuck ups in Carroll and Downing IMO, a shame because we are lacking enough goals to challenge, having said that we are playing some really lovely stuff at times and defensively we are sound and IMO nearly every single thing the man has done has been pure Liverpool and the right way to do it....I dont go into the big games fearing that we are gonna get torn a new one anymore....

Aside from that.... every single thing the man says is just so fucking spot on and pure LFC .....It really is refreshing to see us managed properly again.... Downing and Carroll need to sort their shit out and fucking soon because i will hate them forever if they let Kenny down. But the truth is i think we can finsih even without them two actually doing anything useful....

I really hope we can get Stevie back in the mix as well... just to add that little bit more magic and passion and we get in the CL next season because if we do I can imagine FSG will invest even more.
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Quite, if we get into the champions league I reckon we'll have a similar investment to the investment we had this year, with the additional pull of the champions league, you'd hope we'd better the better calibre of player which we need, i.e. Mata instead of Downing.

 

[LadyRed]

I guess I would say I think he's doing okay. Perhaps we had some unrealistic expectations given how brilliantly he started. I strongly disagree that we only need to look at where we were this time last season to answer my question, I don't think thats the benchmark we should be measuring against.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Ryan to an extent, the Carroll situation is a spanner in the works, and it's not one I can see an easy way out of. We can't sell him on, cos no one will buy him and yet at the same time we can't keep him and rely on him; royally shafted ourselves.

That said the football is better, at times, but I can't say I 'enjoy' the games, not all of them anyway. Most of the time I'm frustrated we've drawn games we should have won or held on to 1-0's after squandering away chance after chance. Frustrated and on edge is how I feel when I'm watching us play, it's a long way from enjoying the game with a degree of confidence.

We've spent big, but sadly I don't think we've spent well. Adam, Enrique and Suarez are obviously the stand out signings of the Dalglish era so far, some of the others the jury is still out on obviously, but Carroll I can't see turning things around, and until we resolve that somehow and actually genuinely get a world class striker in, we're in no different a position we were in when we had Torres: we're still relying on one man to get the goals.

We've got a long way to go, sadly, I don't think we'll do enough to manage 4th this season.

 

[Mystic]

I agree with pretty much all Anita said. We haven't spent well is a bit to far for me. We've made two mistakes and overspent on one player, although I think in the long run he will be worth it, we weren't in the position to be making such indulgences, the rest however has been brilliant. Suarez, Enrique, Coates, Adam are all looking like great signings and great value for money.

 

[peterhague]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.
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Not generally, but I think those 3 big signings together represented a backwards step from the players they replaced, so that's what I meant.

 

[Wizardry]

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I agree with pretty much all Anita said. We haven't spent well is a bit to far for me. We've made two mistakes and overspent on one player, although I think in the long run he will be worth it, we weren't in the position to be making such indulgences, the rest however has been brilliant. Suarez, Enrique, Coates, Adam are all looking like great signings and great value for money.
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That's an interesting way to agree with pretty much everything she said, Mystic. :-\


There's no way that we're in the same situation as when we had Torres. When he was on form the majority of goals that came from a Torres boot were down to 4 things;
Gerrard
Torres
Defensive mistake
Gerrard

Of course there were the moments when others stepped in and we thought it was great but that was largely because it was rare.

These days the team is getting in behind defenses on regular occasions. That hasn't happened in years; how many times have we be-laboured the lack of creativity, guile and craft? Now it's happening and not just one player. Sure, Suarez is a great player and he's clearly a focal point but there is so much scheming going on with players moving into good spaces, quick passing, lovely angles - we're not missing that craft any more. Ryan might have a melt down 😉 but Kevin Phillips would benefit us more than David Silva or Modric right now. We're simply lacking someone who cares about nothing else but putting the ball in the back of the net.

Henry said after the FA cup final that he now knew what Arsenal lacked. He described how he would make runs to open up space for Pires, Bergkamp and others; he'd take the ball down the left and cut it back; he'd come back and help the midfield. But Owen isn't interested in any of that - all he wants to do is put the ball in the net. I don't think we're far away from where Arsenal were at that point in time; they didn't solve the problem in the manner that I thought they would (or even Henry thought they would) but that doesn't mean it won't solve our problem.

I'm heartened to hear the number of strikers that Kenny and co are apparently talking with; I think if they get a goal poacher in during January we can look forward to a second half of the season comparable to what we wittnessed last season. That would really put the wind up a few teams.


** Just for Ryans benefit I'd take Silva in a heartbeat and he'd improve our team.**

 

[Red Mullet]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.
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Not generally, but I think those 3 big signings together represented a backwards step from the players they replaced, so that's what I meant.
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Ah, I see. The level of money is high, but there are valid counter arguments that may suggest it hasn't been a waste of money (or a backward step).

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  [li]Henderson looks pretty good in the CM role. Nice touches, passes and general work rate. Yes, he is wasted on the wings but then Raul Meireles didn't light up the field in the first half of last season out on the wing.[/li]
  [li]Was anyone surprised about Downing? He was never going to be a huge impact like Luis. We've definitely overpaid for him but I think he'll get us the assists and the goals in the second half of this season. [/li]
  [li]Carroll is the biggest disappointment, especially considering the price tag. But with the way Torres was playing, maybe it's not such a backward step in that there's still a possibility that he'll come good whereas we'll never see the Torres of old again.[/li]

 

[Modo]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.
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Not generally, but I think those 3 big signings together represented a backwards step from the players they replaced, so that's what I meant.
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Ah, I see. The level of money is high, but there are valid counter arguments that may suggest it hasn't been a waste of money (or a backward step).

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  [li]Henderson looks pretty good in the CM role. Nice touches, passes and general work rate. Yes, he is wasted on the wings but then Raul Meireles didn't light up the field in the first half of last season out on the wing.[/li]
  [li]Was anyone surprised about Downing? He was never going to be a huge impact like Luis. We've definitely overpaid for him but I think he'll get us the assists and the goals in the second half of this season. [/li]
  [li]Carroll is the biggest disappointment, especially considering the price tag. But with the way Torres was playing, maybe it's not such a backward step in that there's still a possibility that he'll come good whereas we'll never see the Torres of old again.[/li]

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Oh he better. He needs to have C.Ronaldo season from this point on in order to make up for his performances so far.
Sadly it's not gonna happen especially when we have a guy on the bench that's outshone him time and time again.
The Downing-Carroll, assist-goal theory should have never left the drawing board.

 

[Red Mullet]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.
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Not generally, but I think those 3 big signings together represented a backwards step from the players they replaced, so that's what I meant.
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Ah, I see. The level of money is high, but there are valid counter arguments that may suggest it hasn't been a waste of money (or a backward step).

• 
  [li]Henderson looks pretty good in the CM role. Nice touches, passes and general work rate. Yes, he is wasted on the wings but then Raul Meireles didn't light up the field in the first half of last season out on the wing.[/li]
  [li]Was anyone surprised about Downing? He was never going to be a huge impact like Luis. We've definitely overpaid for him but I think he'll get us the assists and the goals in the second half of this season. [/li]
  [li]Carroll is the biggest disappointment, especially considering the price tag. But with the way Torres was playing, maybe it's not such a backward step in that there's still a possibility that he'll come good whereas we'll never see the Torres of old again.[/li]

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Oh he better. He needs to have C.Ronaldo season from this point on in order to make up for his performances so far.
Sadly it's not gonna happen especially when we have a guy on the bench that's outshone him time and time again.
The Downing-Carroll, assist-goal theory should have never left the drawing board.

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Why?


There should always be a plan B (possibly C, D and E). Let's face it, a pass and move playing style is great to watch but pointless when there's no goals (like now). Changing formations or style of play should be used to get the win or rescue a loss or when injuries should occur.

 

[Rosco]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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Laughable.

Did you know we went from being a 4th place team to a 7th place team while spending more than the club could afford under Rafa Benitez ? More than everybody bar Chelsea and City during that time.

 

[the count]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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No way we're going backwards.
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Not generally, but I think those 3 big signings together represented a backwards step from the players they replaced, so that's what I meant.
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Ah, I see. The level of money is high, but there are valid counter arguments that may suggest it hasn't been a waste of money (or a backward step).

• 
  [li]Henderson looks pretty good in the CM role. Nice touches, passes and general work rate. Yes, he is wasted on the wings but then Raul Meireles didn't light up the field in the first half of last season out on the wing.[/li]
  [li]Was anyone surprised about Downing? He was never going to be a huge impact like Luis. We've definitely overpaid for him but I think he'll get us the assists and the goals in the second half of this season. [/li]
  [li]Carroll is the biggest disappointment, especially considering the price tag. But with the way Torres was playing, maybe it's not such a backward step in that there's still a possibility that he'll come good whereas we'll never see the Torres of old again.[/li]

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Oh he better. He needs to have C.Ronaldo season from this point on in order to make up for his performances so far.
Sadly it's not gonna happen especially when we have a guy on the bench that's outshone him time and time again.
The Downing-Carroll, assist-goal theory should have never left the drawing board.

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Why?


There should always be a plan B (possibly C, D and E). Let's face it, a pass and move playing style is great to watch but pointless when there's no goals (like now). Changing formations or style of play should be used to get the win or rescue a loss or when injuries should occur.
[/quote]Our goal on Saturday was from a straightforward cross from the left.

 

[Modo]

Yeah it was...
Problem is, it was Adam-Suarez.

Crosses from the left don't bother me...

 

[themn]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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Laughable.

Did you know we went from being a 4th place team to a 7th place team while spending more than the club could afford under Rafa Benitez ? More than everybody bar Chelsea and City during that time.





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*slo-mo dive*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47881.msg1442281#msg1442281 date=1323704874]
I guess I would say I think he's doing okay. Perhaps we had some unrealistic expectations given how brilliantly he started. I strongly disagree that we only need to look at where we were this time last season to answer my question, I don't think thats the benchmark we should be measuring against.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Ryan to an extent, the Carroll situation is a spanner in the works, and it's not one I can see an easy way out of. We can't sell him on, cos no one will buy him and yet at the same time we can't keep him and rely on him; royally shafted ourselves.

That said the football is better, at times, but I can't say I 'enjoy' the games, not all of them anyway. Most of the time I'm frustrated we've drawn games we should have won or held on to 1-0's after squandering away chance after chance. Frustrated and on edge is how I feel when I'm watching us play, it's a long way from enjoying the game with a degree of confidence.

We've spent big, but sadly I don't think we've spent well. Adam, Enrique and Suarez are obviously the stand out signings of the Dalglish era so far, some of the others the jury is still out on obviously, but Carroll I can't see turning things around, and until we resolve that somehow and actually genuinely get a world class striker in, we're in no different a position we were in when we had Torres: we're still relying on one man to get the goals.

We've got a long way to go, sadly, I don't think we'll do enough to manage 4th this season.
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It won't always be the benchmark, but we still have to earn the right to judge by a higher one and I don't see any other benchmark at this very early stage in Kenny's tenure which makes any kind of sense.

 

[peterhague]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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Laughable.

Did you know we went from being a 4th place team to a 7th place team while spending more than the club could afford under Rafa Benitez ? More than everybody bar Chelsea and City during that time.
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your financial analysis skills are beneath contempt buddy boy.

i think you're a fine and cuddly individual, though, so it's sound.

 

[Rosco]

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i enjoy it when we play like we did last season, very much less so when carroll's in the side, hendo's on the wing, and even to some extent downing in the team. that's why it's so fucking annoying: a lot of money to basically go backwards. that's not happened in the tfr market since 2002, and even then there was GH's illness to excuse things a bit.
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Laughable.

Did you know we went from being a 4th place team to a 7th place team while spending more than the club could afford under Rafa Benitez ? More than everybody bar Chelsea and City during that time.
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your financial analysis skills are beneath contempt buddy boy.

i think you're a fine and cuddly individual, though, so it's sound.
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I didn't expect anything other than this to the facts I presented.

Only 4 weeks until you're within swinging distance