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Khl, i'm always sticking up you but you don't help your own cause at times. You support Liverpool. Not Daniel Agger. I'm not questioning your loyalty to us (Liverpool) but you don't half muddy the waters. This petty game that goes on between a few of ye is pathetic. It will soon be boiled down to 'he started it first'. Im a huge Agger fan, I would have played him today. He didn't play so my whole support is moved onto those who did play. Srktel was having a fine game for us. Positionally very good, strong and did nothing wrong up to the og. Yeah it was an error but if a player scores an og i'll get over it.
The commentator was singing Skrtel's praises for the majority of the game. I presume he is unbiased in the Agger / Skrtel 6CM battle.
The commentator was singing Skrtel's praises for the majority of the game. I presume he is unbiased in the Agger / Skrtel 6CM battle.
The thing with Allen is that he's been out a while, so people are just looking for something different, whatever combination we play, we're still lacking a big commanding presence in the midfield, teams are literally walking through us, and last season Allen was at times one of the biggest culprits for being out muscled in the middle of the park.
There seems to be this myth that we don't need a bit of brute force and we can get by on keeping the ball, sometimes we have to win it back first and dominate physically as well as technically.
Well, we know that Sterling, Moses and Henderson shouldn't be in the first team based on that. I'd rather see Ibe ahead of Sterling any day of the week. Hull City.. Fuckinghell. I still can't believe how wank that was. And why the FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK is Gerrard always so deep.
Yes but Allen can play one two's and isn't afraid to attack. Like against Everton, he missed that chance but he was there right?
Also Allen is more aggressive than Henderson in defence, he likes to put in a tackle from time to time.
Yes I want something different, anything than what I saw today.
The number one problem out there today was attitude.
We all know that certain players aren't good enough but when an entire team turns out a display like that against a struggling side that weren't even putting up much of a fight for most of the game then it goes deeper than simple issues of quality.
This isn't the first time this has happened this season either so I'm not buying into the "one of those off days" cliche either.
It's not like they were up against a side fighting tooth and nail for every second ball in a cauldron of noise today. They were organized and worked hard, sure, but they were waiting to be beaten for 60 odd minutes and when they realized that the opposition weren't intent on making that happen, they figured they might as well have a go.
Rodgers has to take his share of the blame here as well. He's been in the job for over a year, he's been given all the control he's asked for and he's spent good money on a lot of players. He should be able to put out a side that looks reasonably competent every week - not just when they feel like turning up.
I'm not asking for miracles overnight. I'm not even necessarily asking for a top four finish. I just want to watch a Liverpool team that won't let me down because of some shithouse half-arsed display. Is that too much to fucking ask?
We all know that certain players aren't good enough but when an entire team turns out a display like that against a struggling side that weren't even putting up much of a fight for most of the game then it goes deeper than simple issues of quality.
This isn't the first time this has happened this season either so I'm not buying into the "one of those off days" cliche either.
It's not like they were up against a side fighting tooth and nail for every second ball in a cauldron of noise today. They were organized and worked hard, sure, but they were waiting to be beaten for 60 odd minutes and when they realized that the opposition weren't intent on making that happen, they figured they might as well have a go.
Rodgers has to take his share of the blame here as well. He's been in the job for over a year, he's been given all the control he's asked for and he's spent good money on a lot of players. He should be able to put out a side that looks reasonably competent every week - not just when they feel like turning up.
I'm not asking for miracles overnight. I'm not even necessarily asking for a top four finish. I just want to watch a Liverpool team that won't let me down because of some shithouse half-arsed display. Is that too much to fucking ask?
We need something different, personally the way Suso is playing, him and a big athletic signing in the middle of the park could do wonders for us, we do need to have a look at Allen in the meantime though, if only because we need to try to salvage something from the money we spent.
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ILD you seem like a nice bloke. No need to stand up for me mind, I get I am increasingly unpopular with the majority of the mods and that's ok. I think they are amazing hypocrites when it comes to discussing a few specific matters. And if you don't agree they go all school yard bully on you. Let them. I know I am asking for it when I call their own bias out. Look at Marks first post in this thread and tell me without laughing it's not slightly pathetic. I can't stand it, I am weak.
I'ld love to know the answer to this, especially now we have Sturridge injured and he continues to play deep, surely him behing Suarez with Coutinho floating around is a no brainer? the rest behind him can do the defending, let those 3 loose up top.
He does take a share of the blame, and we have coasted alot this season, but the problem probably runs even deeper than what you're eluding to. Players like Johnson, Lucas and a few others have been up and down throughout their Liverpool careers, call it attitude or whatever, perhaps, you know, they're just not good enough.
As for the "we've not been all that great this season", well no, we haven't, but we're still within in touching distance and we're not the only team to drop soft points. In fairness, the games where we've dropped points this season have been Everton, Southampton and a resurgent Newcastle. Every other top side has been on the end of the shock, shite result where I'm sure a few of their fans were also probably questioning attitude. People wanted Wenger sacked after the Villa game.
Sadly, look what we have to offer: Gerrard (past it for that sort of thing), Lucas, Henderson, Allen and a few other feeble chumps coming in and out of the side and achieving nothing. We all know this but it seems most people end up blocking it out and then get all upset when things go wrong.
I thought there wasn't a decent performance from any of our lot today. All poor.
And I don't think the players we had out would have made any difference today either.
Why has Coutinho turned into sterling? There's absolutely fuck all out of him this season, whereas last season he was magnificent. He been played in his positions too.
Even though before today we'd averaged two goals a game, we looked devoid of ideas in the final 3rd today.
And I don't think the players we had out would have made any difference today either.
Why has Coutinho turned into sterling? There's absolutely fuck all out of him this season, whereas last season he was magnificent. He been played in his positions too.
Even though before today we'd averaged two goals a game, we looked devoid of ideas in the final 3rd today.
I've been following Suso in La liga, I've only missed two or three games. He's not the answer, and its unfair to bring him back in the middle of the season and expect wonders. Suso isn't the finished product. Those highlight reels of him dribbling past players and assisting goals doesn't tell the whole story. Sure he's playing in one of the worst teams in the league but it doesn't excuse many of the faults he has in his game.
Don't get me wrong he's doing really well, but to expect him to come here and do the same now, mid season, is a big ask and also a big gamble.
We need to buy, it's that simple. Also some of our fringe players like Aspas, Allen and Alberto need to start performing.
Brendan really needs to make it clear to them that its now or never, otherwise whats the point of them being here?
I watched the Spurs v Utd game before ours and it had me worried. Neither team were great for the 90mins but for spells they looked like teams that were slowly finding their feet again and improving. We started the season shakily yet managed to pick up points but instead of improving we seem to be getting worse.
We can keep on looking at the table and pointing to the fact that we're still within touching distance. But what happens when we're not? Do you think that we're going to hang in there playing like we have been so far? You can only get away with it for so long. And when one of your main matchwinners is out injured, getting away with it becomes all the more difficult.
There are players that I don't think are good enough but I know that they are better than what we saw today. And that's the point. At 100% we may not be good enough to achieve our goals but let's at least get to that 100%. That's an achievement in itself.
Wheter or not Suso is ready he would bring exactly the same as Alberto, which makes that transfer a bit pointless. The same can be said about Aspas - Borini. Thats 14 mill. Strootman cost 14 mill and would have transformed our midfield. Keni is spot on about the attitude though. We didnt turn up, which is unacceptable for a team with CL ambitions. Lets see how we respond on wednesday, I expect 3 points.
...or give Brad Smith a start. I'm convinced he'd relish it.
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Rodgers needs to decide on what he wants. When it comes to both tactics and players - he is chopping and changing week in week out, doesn't work imo. I am sincerely worried that he is becoming more clueless as the pressure increases. He needs to learn from his mistakes, today was far to much like the Arsenal game only against far waker opponents.
Skrtel was involved in all 3 goals today, I cant understand how people think he had a good game. His job is to defend our goal. It resulted in 3 goals that he had a hand in. Wheter or not he played a good game bar that is beside the point imho. We've kept 1 clean sheet in the 10 last games. He's the only one who has started every game. I'd swap him for Sakho. Then Rodgers need to find the back four he wants to give a go for a run of games.
Really bad day at the office. If we were offered this sort of start at the beginning of the season, we'd have taken it. But, if you really want to point the finger, you can't do that without aiming it at the manager to some degree. Plenty of dodgy signings, or signing decent players and not playing them (sakho) isn't great. Borini, Allen, aspas, Alberto all need to go. Can't get the defence sorted. Don't want to turn this into a Rogers thread, but it ain't just the players. He also has to motivate them, so if the first half was lazy and crap, it's his job to turn it around. Maybe he should invest in a hair dryer.
I'd like to try this line up in the next game:
----------------Mignolet
Jonson---Agger---Sakho----Cissokho
-----------Lucas-----Gerrard
-----------------Allen
Aspas------------------------Coutinho
--------------Suarez
Bear with me, Cissokho in so we can have an attacking outlet from the left back position. Flanno has been OK but he doesn't offer us anything in attack.
Aspas in as 2nd striker with Coutinho in a free role on the left.
Imagine the interplay between those four up front. Yes, Allen. He might be useless at many things but he can pass and isn't afraid to attack.
----------------Mignolet
Jonson---Agger---Sakho----Cissokho
-----------Lucas-----Gerrard
-----------------Allen
Aspas------------------------Coutinho
--------------Suarez
Bear with me, Cissokho in so we can have an attacking outlet from the left back position. Flanno has been OK but he doesn't offer us anything in attack.
Aspas in as 2nd striker with Coutinho in a free role on the left.
Imagine the interplay between those four up front. Yes, Allen. He might be useless at many things but he can pass and isn't afraid to attack.
I'm afraid to say I saw this coming. We are NOT a good side we just think we are, some of our first team players are atrocious. I was a big supporter of Rodgers and got behind him from the off but what he's playing at I really don't know. Different formations and personnel from game to game, he seems to be thinking "on the hoof" no tangible game plan or method in his thinking from what I can see and he's failed to rid the club of this thinking that we're better than we are that I'm sad to say is now absolutely tattooed into the clubs DNA.
We're gonna have blips.
Every team at the top has lost an unexpected game and looked wank.
My main issue is that I don't think Rodgers has any idea what his best team is. Until that changes we won't look coherent enough
Every team at the top has lost an unexpected game and looked wank.
My main issue is that I don't think Rodgers has any idea what his best team is. Until that changes we won't look coherent enough
I don't know what to say. Worst team performance I've seen in many a long year, against a team of journeymen. Fucking shithouses ought to be ashamed of that "performance". I feel really sorry for travelling support.
Which I suppose means I really do know what to say.
Which I suppose means I really do know what to say.
Yeah, I only caught part of Rodgers post match interview later on, but didn't hear an apology in there.
There should have been one.
And, in particular, what does he want from Gerrard? Deep-lying is not effective as he does sod all defending and adds nothing to quick passing from the back. If he , instead of Moses (or Allen last week) had been at the end of those chances, e'd have buried them sure as shooting. It took Benitez two seasons to realise that Gerrard was an attacking player not a box-to-box player that he himself thought he was. And then absolutely thrived. Now we are going through the same re-inventing of the wheel ...
He still is the best attacking midfield we have but he's playing too far away from the goal at the moment.
You've just lost all credibility. Get Cissokho back..... jees!
Performances like today were near on every week under Roy and fairly common under Kenny, especially towards the end.
Yup, people have short memories, we played some dire stuff under every manager over the last 20 odd years. Some of Rafa and Ged's later games were embarrassing too.
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