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Blackburn won the league with a steady Eddie like Jason Wilcox on the left. He just did a job, wasn't noticed much but maintained reliable service for the attackers. I assumed Downing was bought to do such a job here. I wasn't expecting him to become anyone's favourite, just quietly fit in and improve the delivery from the left, which was certainly needed. So I'll never really get the anger about him not being a flair player; he never was going to dazzle. What's obviously frustrating and infuriating is he never found that quiet, calm consistency that was required of him, and which he has the right ability to supply. He's still not doing it regularly enough even now, but his position is complicated by the fact that his original role is no longer needed, and the new one has demands that go beyond his particular talents. It's good that he's trying but he's a square peg in a round hole.

The problem is his name for a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) is 'Stewart Downing Twenty Million'. He should never have been expected to be more than a steady eddie who would bring balance to the force the left hand side, but the price tag means it was inevitable he would disappoint.
 
Blackburn won the league with a steady Eddie like Jason Wilcox on the left. He just did a job, wasn't noticed much but maintained reliable service for the attackers. I assumed Downing was bought to do such a job here. I wasn't expecting him to become anyone's favourite, just quietly fit in and improve the delivery from the left, which was certainly needed. So I'll never really get the anger about him not being a flair player; he never was going to dazzle. What's obviously frustrating and infuriating is he never found that quiet, calm consistency that was required of him, and which he has the right ability to supply. He's still not doing it regularly enough even now, but his position is complicated by the fact that his original role is no longer needed, and the new one has demands that go beyond his particular talents. It's good that he's trying but he's a square peg in a round hole.

Like a less goal potent Dirk Kuyt kind of thing? Hard working, and effective?
 
The problem is his name for a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) is 'Stewart Downing Twenty Million'. He should never have been expected to be more than a steady eddie who would bring balance to the force the left hand side, but the price tag means it was inevitable he would disappoint.

Downing also disappoints because for most of the matches he's played for us, he doesn't even try. He doesn't want to score goals and he doesn't want to make something happen. He's content to pass the ball back to Enrique or Johnson or to pass it square to a central midfielder and then stand still somewhere near the touchline.

If he tried in every match like Kuyt did, if he busted a gut to get inside the penalty in every one of our attacks, then I reckon a lot less people will be negative about him.
 
Downing also disappoints because for most of the matches he's played for us, he doesn't even try. He doesn't want to score goals and he doesn't want to make something happen. He's content to pass the ball back to Enrique or Johnson or to pass it square to a central midfielder and then stand still somewhere near the touchline.

This is the issue - he's not a very confident, or aggressive person. He's still overawed, afraid to make mistakes.
 
He certainly gives the impression sometimes that he doesn't try, but I suspect he does try in his own feeble way. He doesn't try hard enough, that's for sure. What he definitely doesn't do is gamble. If he doesn't think he can do something that'll pay off he'll rely on percentage play. He's not a clever player nor a bold one. Kuyt was both, but he lacked Downing's technique. As I said, what Downing could do is be a metronomic wide player off whom forwards could feed. He clearly hasn't been that player, alas, mainly because his temperament is so stunningly frail.
 
He certainly gives the impression sometimes that he doesn't try, but I suspect he does try in his own feeble way. He doesn't try hard enough, that's for sure. What he definitely doesn't do is gamble. If he doesn't think he can do something that'll pay off he'll rely on percentage play. He's not a clever player nor a bold one. Kuyt was both, but he lacked Downing's technique. As I said, what Downing could do is be a metronomic wide player off whom forwards could feed. He clearly hasn't been that player, alas, mainly because his temperament is so stunningly frail.

Nice summary overall, but I beg to differ about Kuyt's technique. Dirk was a better dribbler than Downing, unlike Stewie he could beat a player without relying on pace. Being two-footed also helped.
 
Top wingers are arrogant cocky twats who think they are marvellous. If they try to beat three men but fail they just try it again. Stu suffers from doubt so one time he is stopped in his tracks means he won't try it again. He is very talented but hastoo much of a negative attitude. Still I believe a good coach could get a top run of performances out if him. I still believe.
 
Crap again today, shouldn't be in our first team utter shit !!!!

Give him a chance folks he is doing well.
 
Crap again today, shouldn't be in our first team utter shit !!!!

Give him a chance folks he is doing well.

He was ok but I find that his lack of confidence in himself is the reason he doesn't do more ... so many times he has a 1 on 1, and he'll take the ball back. I can get it if it's Henderson on the wing - but Downing IS a winger and should be doing better.
 
I thought Downing had a very good game today. He was unpredictable and always tried to make something happen. I think he finally reached the level of play he displayed in his first few games for us.
 
I hope Coutinho is more of a threat than Downing. However, what SD does do, is allow Johnson to get forward without leaving us woefully exposed. I wonder if Coutinho will do likewise
 
Who's that in your avatar, Fox?

Kate Beckinsale fella

is there a more beautiful face out there, I doubt it

kate-beckinsale-2012-vanity-fair-oscar-party-01.jpg
 
Bring her to raise Stu's confidence level. Hell, I'd become a tricky winger with that kind of motivation.
 
He is a decent player good enough for our first team. He holds the ball, passes it well and keeps possession which is what are game is about.

He's an attacking winger, his "game is about" goals, assists, and attacking threat.

Of which he provides none.
 
I love the whole not good enough for Liverpool shit. Better teams than us have wingers no better than downing like Osman and Milner for starters.

Name me a top world class winger we have had in the years since Digger (bar Macca). Ermmmmmm

Stu is a good PL winger and good enough for our team. (As long as his form continues)
 
I love the whole not good enough for Liverpool shit. Better teams than us have wingers no better than downing like Osman and Milner for starters.

Name me a top world class winger we have had in the years since Digger (bar Macca). Ermmmmmm

Stu is a good PL winger and good enough for our team. (As long as his form continues)

They're miles better than Downing.
 
Osman and Milner are totes better than super stu


And I LIKE downing
 
I love the whole not good enough for Liverpool shit. Better teams than us have wingers no better than downing like Osman and Milner for starters.

Name me a top world class winger we have had in the years since Digger (bar Macca). Ermmmmmm

Stu is a good PL winger and good enough for our team. (As long as his form continues)

I'm sorry fox but fuck no. Just NO.

That is just pure bollox, im sorry but... pure fucking bollox.... the fact that you think he is "good enough for our team" says it all really cos we have been mid table all season long.

I read that many saw his last performance as top notch, personally I didnt, maybe i'm blinkered hate by now I dont know. One reasonable game in a blue moon does not in any fucking way what so fucking ever make him "good enough". Use your eyes. He is at best, at his very fucking best mind you, a boring average player who doesnt score and doesnt lay on chances, he isnt fast particularly doesnt have much in the way of trickery or flair doesnt "read" the game like a psychic or beat players with his mind and superior thinking, he doesnt lead or bring unquenchable desire to the squad... Just how fucking low is your expectation of a Liverpool player??...

For fucks sake.... 2 years we've had that cunt Fox... TWO YEARS... he plays OK against city in one match, one match where he didnt suck big time and now he is "good enough".

When I played footy at school once I pinged in two volleys in the same match both from around 25 to 30 yards fucking whistled in, vicious unstoppable both in of the bar, one of them I caught so sweetly the bar sounded like it was going to break. It was 1 game in many. I was a centreback and I was pure shat, really really awful at playing footy.

SELL THE USELESS AVERAGE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING BOUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE WASTE OF 20 MILLION QUID CUNT NOW PLEASE.
 
And we came second with 85 points in 2008 and our wingers were....

Riera
Babel
Yossi
Pennant

You are right you need world class wingers costing £50 million to compete
 
And we came second with 85 points in 2008 and our wingers were....

Riera
Babel
Yossi
Pennant

You are right you need world class wingers costing £50 million to compete
Kuyt scored 15 goals, Benayoun 9 goals.
How many has good enough Downing scored throughout his LFC career?
 
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