Andy Carroll

[SummerOnions]

Incredible performance tonight from the big man

 

[John McGovern]

Its looking good no doubt. I just hope he has a good Summer, and come back with the same attitude.

 

[nealmac]

Once again, I'm made up for him. Excellent performance again tonight.

 

[Oncy]

This is the Andy Carroll I wanted us to sign from Newcastle.
Made up.

 

[gkmacca]

This is the Andy Carroll I wanted us to sign from Newcastle.
Made up.

Exactly. He's going to scare the shite out of other teams' defenders.

 

[moron]

As is always the case with the these things, people are being selective to suit their viewpoint and to fucking coax themselves into believing something.

Look at his output, contribution, goals, workrate, effort, ability to fit into the team, attitude, etc etc fucking everything really - over an extended period of time. Don't take 30 minutes of a game where he came on as a sub against a team defending deep and hanging on as the barometer of what he gives us, cos it's fucking naive and idiotic.

If you judge him over the 18 months he's been with us against the criteria above, he's been largely appalling. And that's not taking into account the fact that he cost uf 35 bastarding million pounds.

Now I'm all for improvement and patience. My staggeringly brilliant judgement of Lucas alone is testament to that. But carroll - for me - hasn't been improving. He's shown in the odd burst that he can produce a goal or get into a scoring position. Or do the odd something. That's not the output of someone who you "build a team around" cos you can't rely on them at all.

I'm all aboard the hysteria that's accompanied his game on Saturday, or his cameo to be more precise, cos credit to him he changed the game. But there's a difference between that and being someobody who can score 20 goals a season and be a top drawer striker in the Premier League and Europe. Which...

Is something we need. And something that he's never demonstrated he can/could do.

Ryan - I completely agree with your analysis - but perhaps its taken this long to get the best out of him. However, despite his good run of late and Suarez I think the fundamental thing for this team is the requiremet for a fox in the box dedicated striker who can put the ball in the net. Without doubt we have dominated 90% of games we have played but we have lost or drawn because we cannot score.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I agree to a point wizardry, I just disagree on why he looked disinterested, I think because we wre hammering him so much in training & on fitness he was nowhere near sharp enough to compete in the manner he was used to.

On top of this we insisted on playing long balls in the air to him & ignoring his feet, partly cos his touch was poor, again cos he wasn't sharp or fit enough.

As a result he got increasingly frustrated & lost confidence, you could see a reflection of both Torres & Suarez when they came back from injuries & couldn't perform properly, in his attitude towards his teammates & the refs, as well as his frustration with himself.

He then lost his confidence & looked massively disinterested, now he's finding form he needs to play every week.

Like I said atrociously managed,

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Two games on the spin he's made a couple of the most physically dominating CB's look like little boys.

 

[spider-Neil]

andy needs to build on this form and hopefully he will be able to as a regular starter

 

[localny]

He's coming good. Great to see the positive responses to his performances.

 

[Fox]

is andy in the olympic squad ?

if he does miss out on the Euro squad for Crouchy then he may get a shout for that from Pearce

 

[Mystic]

is andy in the olympic squad ?

if he does miss out on the Euro squad for Crouchy then he may get a shout for that from Pearce

I hope at the very least he's in the Olympic squad, i'd much rather he's in the Euro's though, on his current form England could really do with him. The upside I suppose of going to the Olympics would be playing against very good South American teams without so much of the media pressure.

 

[Woland]

I'm normally anti our players going and knackering themselves in international footy but I think the Euros could be a really timely boost for Carroll and it can only help him if he goes and plays.

 

[Whitey85]

John Terryble would probably agree.

 

[Gary25]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGP2ABTqfsI

 

[Wizardry]

I agree to a point wizardry, I just disagree on why he looked disinterested, I think because we wre hammering him so much in training & on fitness he was nowhere near sharp enough to compete in the manner he was used to.

On top of this we insisted on playing long balls in the air to him & ignoring his feet, partly cos his touch was poor, again cos he wasn't sharp or fit enough.

As a result he got increasingly frustrated & lost confidence, you could see a reflection of both Torres & Suarez when they came back from injuries & couldn't perform properly, in his attitude towards his teammates & the refs, as well as his frustration with himself.

He then lost his confidence & looked massively disinterested, now he's finding form he needs to play every week.

Like I said atrociously managed,

I don't really disagree with either of you that strongly, I just think he needs to take more responsibility for the problems than you're suggesting. The way he's turned his form around so suddenly is a case in point. Whether it stems from the Newcastle mauling or not (I personally think it had a lot to do with it) he suddenly started playing with menace and purpose. That doesn't happen if you're just coming back to fitness or from injury. It's a gradual transition - he turned it around overnight.

I don't say he hasn't been badly managed but just he should be carrying some of the responsibility for his plight earlier in the season and, indeed, some responsibility for our plight in terms of goals.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Hey, what have we here?

It's an Andy Carroll thread!

 

[Silver Sean]

Who he?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Hey, what have we here?

It's an Andy Carroll thread!

you are TRYING to piss off Ross, aren't you?

 

[Mamma Mia]

you are TRYING to piss off Ross, aren't you?

Nope. I'm on his side on this one.

 

[Modo]

Isnt "John McGovern" or whatever "Paddy"?

 

[Fabio]

Yup

 

[Modo]

Another reaason to not bring this thread up again. If Im a English hating scando cunt he's a fucking a super cunt with a cape and special powers.

 

[Holle]

Another reaason to not bring this thread up again. If Im a English hating scando cunt he's a fucking a super cunt with a cape and special powers.

Not much to argue there.

 

[Spionkop69]

Can we not just have a "cunt off" to the death then? With the winner being summarily executed?