Rooney = Charlton
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Isn't he usually crap against us?
I thought it was the overhead shin!
At Anfield he is, 1 in 10 record or something like that. Scored a right few against us at Old Trafford though.
Gerd Muller got 68 in 62 games for West Germany.
Rubbish, it's more difficult to score lots of goals in a top team, than it is in a rubbish team. Rooney's achievement is pretty impressive, especially considering he's got a good few years left, and all the other great strikers that haven't matched it in the past.
I'm pretty sure England have scored way more goals than northern Ireland have over the respective careers of these two players so surely saying it's harder to score in a crap team is rubbish.
He's a good player but he's a 1 in 2 striker for United no different to Andy Cole or Dwight Yorke, he's a 1 in 2 striker for England also just like Shearer. The only thing that's different is his longevity which is impressive.
The same argument can be made the opposite way, that the only player scoring goals for Northern Ireland was Healy, so it's easier, he didn't have to compete with a load of top strikers to first of all play, and secondly to be the target of passes.
If it was easier to score in good teams, then everyone would score more in better teams, it rarely happens. It only happens if you're too good for a team.
To put it simply, Rooney would have scored more for Norn Ireland than Healy did. Not only because they would have built a team around him, but because he's a miles better player, and his achievement for England is pretty impressive.
He's also done it in the Prem, which Healy wasn't able to do.
In summary:
1) Rooney is a good player. Would walk into our side. Impressive record. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
2) Rooney is a massive cunt.
1) Rooney is a good player. Would walk into our side. Impressive record. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
2) Rooney is a massive cunt.
Here's the teams that he's scored against at international level:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ne-the-50-england-goals-that-broke-the-record
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ne-the-50-england-goals-that-broke-the-record
It's not that great an achievement. He's been shite for years. He was a far better player at 17 years old than he has been for the last 3 or 4 years. He is a decent player who has broken the record mainly through longevity.
He's a player with a grossly inflated reputation playing for a nation with a grossly inflated reputation. Kinda apt.
He's a player with a grossly inflated reputation playing for a nation with a grossly inflated reputation. Kinda apt.
It's as if a novelist planned to write a novel about a precocious young player who becomes great, then decided to rewrite it as the story of someone who fails to realise his potential, then the proofreader points out, 'Er, you've forgotten to take out the original bit about him scoring so many goals'. You look at Rooney over the past few years and think how underwhelming he's been, then you see this damned record, and it makes no sense at all. Will many people outside of ardent mancs say to their grandkids in years to come, 'I actually saw Rooney play!' as though it was the stuff of legend? I doubt it. Yesterday was some kind of cosmic joke.
Yeah this is exactly it.
I actually get a bit peeved when I think about Rooney - something I try not to do too often - because it's such a waste. But then is it a waste because he has pretty much accomplished everything one can do in the game? Regardless, he was a truly frightening prospect at 16/17/18 but he's kinda become just a 'good' player and not a world class one. He was a better player in his teenage years. I haven't seen him beat a man since about 2008.
I don't know if it's down to injuries, a lack of hunger or professionalism, or it being coached out of him, but he was a better player ten years ago than he is now. He should have blown that record out of the water and done something noteworthy at a major tournament. Instead, he has limply got by on penalties against dentists and brickies.
Here's a comparison with Charlton's goals:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...charlton-whos-got-best-england-scoring-record
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...charlton-whos-got-best-england-scoring-record
I was never comparing the two as players, I just think his major achievement is longevity and if someone read me both their international stats without any context of records I'd be less impressed with Rooneys. I'm sure Michael Owen would have blown this record away had he managed to stay fit, even Crouch managed a 1 in 2 for England.
He's a good player as is any player that sticks around at a top club for so long but he's a rung down the ladder from where the hype, media and United fans place him. There's talk about him doing it for another 4 or 5 years, my arse he's barely doing it now.
68 in 62 jesus!!
Would be nice to see Robbie Keane top that but I doubt he will.
He won't score in our last two games and he'll retire after.
Would be nice to see Robbie Keane top that but I doubt he will.
He won't score in our last two games and he'll retire after.
I feel the same about this as I do about queen sourpuss overtaking queen Victoria as the longest reigning monarch.
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