Lucas

[keniget]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957840#msg957840 date=1254737601]
We bought on Aurelio because our squad is largely devoid of options.

We've a thread bare squad - there's not much point denying it.
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I thought Aurelio for Insua was a good sub. Insua got into some really good positions and his crossing was fucking dire. The same goes for Johnson whose attacking qualities we have been sorely missing in the last few games.

 

[Squiggles]

Yeah, perhaps. The annoying was we never really applied enough pressure to repeatedly whip crosses in, and even when we did, Chelsea dealt with it very well.

To be honest I think you're summary is a reason why Aurelio should be starting over Insua at present. The Hull game aside, Insua's been shocking in attack this season.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=36269.msg957841#msg957841 date=1254737657]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957840#msg957840 date=1254737601]
We bought on Aurelio because our squad is largely devoid of options.

We've a thread bare squad - there's not much point denying it.
[/quote]

I thought Aurelio for Insua was a good sub. Insua got into some really good positions and his crossing was fucking dire. The same goes for Johnson whose attacking qualities we have been sorely missing in the last few games.
[/quote]

insua is the 'anti finann'
finann - rarely got forwards but put in quality when he did
insua - gets forwards all the time but has terrible delivery

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36269.msg957845#msg957845 date=1254737913]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36269.msg957841#msg957841 date=1254737657]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957840#msg957840 date=1254737601]
We bought on Aurelio because our squad is largely devoid of options.

We've a thread bare squad - there's not much point denying it.
[/quote]

I thought Aurelio for Insua was a good sub. Insua got into some really good positions and his crossing was fucking dire. The same goes for Johnson whose attacking qualities we have been sorely missing in the last few games.
[/quote]

insua is the 'anti finann'
finann - rarely got forwards but put in quality when he did
insua - gets forwards all the time but has terrible delivery
[/quote]

Finnan did get forward but just rarely to the byline. He was much better at whipping in good crosses or playing intelligent balls from the corner of the box.

And there's a youtube vid of Insua supplying perfect cross after cross last season so he no doubt has the ability. This season it's all fallen apart.

 

[keniget]

I remember commenting on it a couple times whilst Insua was in the reserves - that his crossing does need work. We've not seen that much evidence of his technical ability in the first team yet, but it is there. He needs to really work on it.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=36269.msg957850#msg957850 date=1254738150]
I remember commenting on it a couple times whilst Insua was in the reserves - that his crossing does need work. We've not seen that much evidence of his technical ability in the first team yet, but it is there. He needs to really work on it.
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I'd rather just stick in aurelio who already has that ability.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36269.msg957852#msg957852 date=1254738250]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36269.msg957850#msg957850 date=1254738150]
I remember commenting on it a couple times whilst Insua was in the reserves - that his crossing does need work. We've not seen that much evidence of his technical ability in the first team yet, but it is there. He needs to really work on it.
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I'd rather just stick in aurelio who already has that ability.
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He does, but then again they have different qualities. Insua has a lot of running in him and gets into positions that Aurelio simply doesn't. Aurelio likes to play from deeper positions, so it's not a case of just imagining Aurelio getting to the byline and putting in a great ball.

I like Aurelio also and he will get plenty of games this season. Rafa however has put his faith in a young player, something he always gets criticised for not doing, and hopefully Insua will justify this faith by improving.

 

[Ossi]

Insua isn´t a very good defender and that´s why Fiorentina and Chelsea attacked on our left side time after time.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Ossi link=topic=36269.msg957874#msg957874 date=1254741252]
Insua isn´t a very good defender and that´s why Fiorentina and Chelsea attacked on our left side time after time.
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Aside from the second goal, which Carra fucked up on, and one instance in the first half when Drogba was left unmarked, not much came down the left, Riera and Insua covered it quite well, everything seemed come down our right.

 

[Squiggles]

Aurelio was on for the second goal.

Agree with the post, though. Our left side was better all round yesterday.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957879#msg957879 date=1254742376]
Aurelio was on for the second goal.
[/quote]

Oh yeah! I didn't think they got alot of joy down that side anyway.

 

[jimmy]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957844#msg957844 date=1254737873]
Yeah, perhaps. The annoying was we never really applied enough pressure to repeatedly whip crosses in, and even when we did, Chelsea dealt with it very well.

[/quote]

Yet we kept whipping those crosses even though it was clear that Terry et al. were dealing with them easily.
Our goal threats normally came as a result of playing the ball on the ground and we should have kept attacking that way.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=jimmy link=topic=36269.msg957884#msg957884 date=1254742825]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957844#msg957844 date=1254737873]
Yeah, perhaps. The annoying was we never really applied enough pressure to repeatedly whip crosses in, and even when we did, Chelsea dealt with it very well.

[/quote]

Yet we kept whipping those crosses even though it was clear that Terry et al. were dealing with them easily.
Our goal threats normally came as a result of playing the ball on the ground and we should have kept attacking that way.
[/quote]

I'm not sure we were having much luck on the ground either, to be fair.

The two best chances for me both fell to Fernando Torres; the header where he got behind Terry and headed in tamely into the ground off Dirk's cross and then the toe poke off from inside the box, which came as a result of a box scramble.

Other than that there was a few 20-25 yard drives from Riera and Gerrard but ultimately we created very little.

 

[jimmy]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957887#msg957887 date=1254743220]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=36269.msg957884#msg957884 date=1254742825]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36269.msg957844#msg957844 date=1254737873]
Yeah, perhaps. The annoying was we never really applied enough pressure to repeatedly whip crosses in, and even when we did, Chelsea dealt with it very well.

[/quote]

Yet we kept whipping those crosses even though it was clear that Terry et al. were dealing with them easily.
Our goal threats normally came as a result of playing the ball on the ground and we should have kept attacking that way.
[/quote]

I'm not sure we were having much luck on the ground either, to be fair.

The two best chances for me both fell to Fernando Torres; the header where he got behind Terry and headed in tamely into the ground off Dirk's cross and then the toe poke off from inside the box, which came as a result of a box scramble.

Other than that there was a few 20-25 yard drives from Riera and Gerrard but ultimately we created very little.
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What I was referring to were those "hopeful" high crosses into the box, which didn't give us much success.
Kuyt's cross to Torres wasn't a hopeful cross into a packed box - it was a winger breaking on the right and sending the ball towards a striker in the box.
Torres's miss in the 2nd half started with a cross from the left, but it went all the way to the right wing, and there Kuyt played it to Gerrard on the ground, which is probably why Terry found it more difficult to interfere than with those high crosses into the box.
I'm not saying we should only play on the ground, just saying that we should try them more.

 

[spider-Neil]

just as well bren is no longer on the board, he'd be having a field day.

 

[mark1975]

Tomkins on Lucas:

While on the subject of luck and fairness, I have total sympathy for Lucas Leiva in terms of the press he gets. The whole team plays poorly in Italy, yet he gets singled out. While I felt he really struggled in the first half of last season, I see no such problems this time around. But still the stigma remains attached.

There are probably reasons for this. If he was English, he'd be lauded for his workrate, feverish closing down and generally very good (if unspectacular) use of the ball.

Because he's Brazilian, he has to fit a stereotype. That doesn't sit easily with people with no imagination. I've seen some idiotic comments in the press like he's “the most un-South American player I've ever seenâ€; as if, as a Brazilian, you have no worth unless you're a stepover king.

At Stamford Bridge, Liverpool actually won the battle of the midfield, and Lucas played a massive part in that. The Reds lost largely because Chelsea's strikers had a better day in front of goal, and not because of the balance of play (dictated by Lucas and Mascherano) or chances created.

As a psychology student helpfully pointed out to me during a discussion on my new website: “The ‘truth effect' comes when a message is repeated enough, then the receiver of the message will accept it as fact.â€

Lucas made many positive contributions to the Hull thrashing, with two forceful, direct forward passes leading to goals two and five, as well as getting to the byline for the sixth. But along with not being stereotypically Brazilian, he is criticised for not being Xabi Alonso. Which, to me, seems grossly unfair.

Liverpool had their best-ever scoring start to the season, so how can Lucas, a league ever-present, be to blame for a “lack of creativity†that clearly isn't there?

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36269.msg957991#msg957991 date=1254753945]
Tomkins on Lucas:

While on the subject of luck and fairness, I have total sympathy for Lucas Leiva in terms of the press he gets. The whole team plays poorly in Italy, yet he gets singled out. While I felt he really struggled in the first half of last season, I see no such problems this time around. But still the stigma remains attached.

There are probably reasons for this. If he was English, he'd be lauded for his workrate, feverish closing down and generally very good (if unspectacular) use of the ball.

Because he's Brazilian, he has to fit a stereotype. That doesn't sit easily with people with no imagination. I've seen some idiotic comments in the press like he's “the most un-South American player I've ever seenâ€; as if, as a Brazilian, you have no worth unless you're a stepover king.

At Stamford Bridge, Liverpool actually won the battle of the midfield, and Lucas played a massive part in that. The Reds lost largely because Chelsea's strikers had a better day in front of goal, and not because of the balance of play (dictated by Lucas and Mascherano) or chances created.

As a psychology student helpfully pointed out to me during a discussion on my new website: “The ‘truth effect' comes when a message is repeated enough, then the receiver of the message will accept it as fact.â€

Lucas made many positive contributions to the Hull thrashing, with two forceful, direct forward passes leading to goals two and five, as well as getting to the byline for the sixth. But along with not being stereotypically Brazilian, he is criticised for not being Xabi Alonso. Which, to me, seems grossly unfair.

Liverpool had their best-ever scoring start to the season, so how can Lucas, a league ever-present, be to blame for a “lack of creativity†that clearly isn't there?
[/quote]

In fairness, that is Tompkins...

Though the underlying message is correct, we must, as always, divide by 1,000 to see more accurate portrayals of the facts.

 

[Squiggles]

We didn't "win the midfield battle" at all.

As for his patronising portrayal of Lucas, well, it's just a bit embarrassing. Yes, it's 'cos he's Brazilian I expect him to backflip around the pitch with the ball between his feet before flipping back around, clipping it up, spinning around, and back-heeling into the net from 30 yards. That's why I can't see how good he is!

Thanks for giving me my sight back Tomkins, you irritating buffoon.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

ha

 

[rage]

we won what battle in midfield? bollocks tomkins, you're talking shit. lucas doesn't deserve to play for us. i wish the cunt would just hand in a transfer request and donate all his wages to charity because he doesn't deserve to be here.

he is a rafa indulgence that costs us every time he plays.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=rage link=topic=36269.msg958049#msg958049 date=1254758897]
we won what battle in midfield? bollocks tomkins, you're talking shit. lucas doesn't deserve to play for us. i wish the cunt would just hand in a transfer request and donate all his wages to charity because he doesn't deserve to be here.

he is a rafa indulgence that costs us every time he plays.
[/quote]

He's not.

Just so we know, are there any other scratched records in your arsenal, so that the rest of us can be prepared for the stream of never ending "Rafa / Lucas / (insert name here) is a cnut" posts when we're discussing them, as well?

Are you this f#$!ing repetitive in real life?

 

[gene hughes]

[size=72pt]FUCKING[/size] Whaddapie

The word is [size=72pt]FUCKING[/size]

Not f#$!ing

 

[themn]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36269.msg957405#msg957405 date=1254678459]
I don't get this calling our own players a cunt unless they're the likes of some horrible fucker like Diouf. Lucas is average but it's not his fault he gets picked week in week out. What do you want him to say, "Don't pick me boss I'm not good enough"?
[/quote]

Yup.

It's pitiful what's been happening around here recently.

 

[rage]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=36269.msg958170#msg958170 date=1254769348]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36269.msg958049#msg958049 date=1254758897]
we won what battle in midfield? bollocks tomkins, you're talking shit. lucas doesn't deserve to play for us. i wish the cunt would just hand in a transfer request and donate all his wages to charity because he doesn't deserve to be here.

he is a rafa indulgence that costs us every time he plays.
[/quote]

He's not.

Just so we know, are there any other scratched records in your arsenal, so that the rest of us can be prepared for the stream of never ending "Rafa / Lucas / (insert name here) is a cnut" posts when we're discussing them, as well?

Are you this f#$!ing repetitive in real life?
[/quote]

no people tend to learn very quickly that i know best in real life.

as for your insert name here bit what's that supposed to achieve? make it sound like i'm over critical of everything? what a childish technique. lucas is shit and shouldn't be in the team. its not like i've picked on anyone else who can play centre midfield. you can't hide he's not good enough.

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=rage link=topic=36269.msg958231#msg958231 date=1254777074]

no people tend to learn very quickly that i know best in real life.

[/quote]

At last, a correct sentence from rage.

 

[rage]

put a comma in there for me

 

[Red Mullet]

Why spoil your only correct sentence?

 

[rage]

suit yourself. if you think lucas deserves to be in a liverpool team then it just shows your lack of ambition

 

[Red Mullet]

I want Liverpool to win the Premier League and I think Rafa is the manager to do it. I tend to support all Liverpool players as I support the team whole-heartedly. Lucas will play less once Aqualina gets himself fit and that includes match fitness.

Your constant moaning, derogatory remarks to our players and managers is the antipathy of what a true Liverpool fan should be.

 

[rage]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=36269.msg958250#msg958250 date=1254778708]
I want Liverpool to win the Premier League and I think Rafa is the manager to do it. I tend to support all Liverpool players as I support the team whole-heartedly. Lucas will play less once Aqualina gets himself fit and that includes match fitness.

Your constant moaning, derogatory remarks to our players and managers is the antipathy of what a true Liverpool fan should be.
[/quote]

in your opinion. plenty of people think lucas doesn't deserve to play for us and the manager has a blind spot in picking him. its not for people like you to decide what a true fan is or isn't.