Ian Ayre
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5 targets failed. That's resoundingly awful.
Can't see the axe not falling on someone
Can't see the axe not falling on someone
It's earned Rodgers a new contract anyway prob
I feel like Henry won't be very happy with these results, he seems like the kind of owner who won't put up with these sort of repeated failures. Liable or not on this one, I would be shocked if some changes aren't made to how we operate.
Seriously though, who was the last player we've successfully signed who we've actually had competition for? Coutinho from Southampton last January? If I remember correctly on that one, we offered the same or less to Coutinho, and Coutinho ended up picking us, which barely makes it a win.
It's not exactly a great sign that we haven't competed head to head and signed a quality player in so long.
Seriously though, who was the last player we've successfully signed who we've actually had competition for? Coutinho from Southampton last January? If I remember correctly on that one, we offered the same or less to Coutinho, and Coutinho ended up picking us, which barely makes it a win.
It's not exactly a great sign that we haven't competed head to head and signed a quality player in so long.
We might be better off with the guys from Pawn Stars doing our transfer negotiations for us.
Just in from the pub ( with no Sky). I take it he didn't sign yet.
Totally disillusioned now..... if we miss top 4 now cos of this transfer committee set of cunts then lose suarez and go back to square 1 im out of this whole fucking lark....
Annoyed doesnt get close.
We are that close to becoming something again yet we have to do it the hard way yet a fucking gain
Piss
Annoyed doesnt get close.
We are that close to becoming something again yet we have to do it the hard way yet a fucking gain
Piss
Much like a manager is only as good as his squad, a negotiator is only as good as his resources allow him to be.
It's pretty clear we did everything we could to close deals - but I think it's obvious our financial situation (FFP) didn't allow us to go to the lengths needed. That has little to do with Ayre's ability. You can't one day credit his ability to get deals done with sponsors and then say he's a shit negotiator when a transfer can't be done. Negotiation is an easily transferable skill, it's not like he forgets how to do it just because it's for a player and not a sponsor.
We needed a player because Alberto, Ilori and Aspas have had no impact on our season. We hadn't got 20m sitting around to close a deal easily because of those decisions.
So let's start taking a look at the people who are without doubt fucking up.
It's pretty clear we did everything we could to close deals - but I think it's obvious our financial situation (FFP) didn't allow us to go to the lengths needed. That has little to do with Ayre's ability. You can't one day credit his ability to get deals done with sponsors and then say he's a shit negotiator when a transfer can't be done. Negotiation is an easily transferable skill, it's not like he forgets how to do it just because it's for a player and not a sponsor.
We needed a player because Alberto, Ilori and Aspas have had no impact on our season. We hadn't got 20m sitting around to close a deal easily because of those decisions.
So let's start taking a look at the people who are without doubt fucking up.
It's fucking cringeworthy on here at times like this.
I was going to say this.
I also think it's laughable that people are criticising Ayre when they have zero knowledge of what took place other than apparently everything was agreed and then the Dnipro owner refused to sign the paperwork right at the end. The owner might just have been a twat and changed his mind without giving any hint at all. Fickle, conceited, duplicitous owners are hardly rare.
Still, it's not like we felt we actually needed another winger anyway right now, so the criticism really has to be levelled, just as Rosco said, at the people who have wasted serious money on players who had delivered virtually nothing to our team.
So maybe he's ace at getting sponsorship deals done but crap at getting transfers done. They are two totally different things. What's you point?
Fucking Ukrainians.
I'm gonna boycott chicken kievs from now on.
That'll show em.
I'm gonna boycott chicken kievs from now on.
That'll show em.
Hahaha. Post of the thread.
A pub with no sky?
You mean it had a dodgy European satellite instead?
Or a proper, old fashioned pub that doesn't have any telly's & doesn't serve food? Not many of them left, sadly.
I wanna be in a pub now. Sigh.
Oh well, we can use part of the £16m to buy those houses needed for the stadium expansion.
Actually no Sky or dodgy European satellite. Just live music .
You wouldn't eat food in it even if they did serve it.
What a load of bollocks. We had the money to sign Mkhitaryan, Costa or Willian in the summer (around 25M), that money hasn't been spent. Do you have some inside information FFP limiting our transfer spending? If not, then it's just purely your speculation, rather that "obvious."
I am sure negotiations with a Ukrainian tycoon take a different skill set than setting a sponsorship deal with Dunkin'. Ayre is comfortable in the corporate environment; the football world, especially the way it's set up now, is a bit more "real." I am curious about what Ukrainians thought of Ayre; somehow I don't think they have a lot of respect for him.
Finally, using Alberto and Ilori to slag Rodgers is just low. Buying players with view of a long-term development is exactly what he should be doing. Aspas seems to be a mistake, but there is always a risk of a player not settling in well. It's not like Salah, or Konoplyanka or M'Vila were risk-free.
Nobody will tell me that there wasn't at least a couple of loan deals out there which could have helped us till summer, fucking palace have just got 5 players to add to Europe's biggest squad FFS.
Tomorrow move Ayre back to commercial director only, bin off any other useless twat on that committee and then go and get someone who can bloody deliver.
It's a god damn joke.
Oh and we best be given a shit ton of dosh in the summer come what may, we're owed it this year after a £15m net spend over the whole bloody year.
Tomorrow move Ayre back to commercial director only, bin off any other useless twat on that committee and then go and get someone who can bloody deliver.
It's a god damn joke.
Oh and we best be given a shit ton of dosh in the summer come what may, we're owed it this year after a £15m net spend over the whole bloody year.
I think we need to remember if he came back with a $21m signing that'd didn't deliver we'd all be up in arms. We cannot overpay, so deals go on and on.
Chelsea did us over Salah, and from past experience of Roman picking up the phone to a Russian owner to get the Willian deal done, it wouldn't be hard to see some other invisible hand at work here. It's just odd the owner won't sanction a $16m signing who can leave for free in the summer or soon after.
Deal of the century really for them. No, I know we love to flagellate ourselves, but I don't blame Ayre for this.
I blame him for not having more targets.
The Salah shenanigans makes it clear other clubs think nowt of sabotaging a Liverpool deal.
Chelsea did us over Salah, and from past experience of Roman picking up the phone to a Russian owner to get the Willian deal done, it wouldn't be hard to see some other invisible hand at work here. It's just odd the owner won't sanction a $16m signing who can leave for free in the summer or soon after.
Deal of the century really for them. No, I know we love to flagellate ourselves, but I don't blame Ayre for this.
I blame him for not having more targets.
The Salah shenanigans makes it clear other clubs think nowt of sabotaging a Liverpool deal.
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Don't think not signing Konoplyanka is a massive disaster for Liverpool. Importance would have been more psychological than footballing.
Also don't think Ian Ayre should be chastised for not pulling the deal off. Problem was with Dnipro, not with him.
But...questions have to be asked why they spent three days going for him without a backup when they must have known Dnipro's position.
It's also odd they'd pay £16m for Konoplyanka but not Salah, who seems to have been first choice.
Liverpool's failure is not missing out on Konoplyanka. It's getting into a position where missing out on him can be construed as failure.
For those saying Ayre shouldn't be absolved from blame: absolutely. I'm just blaming him for a different thing.
Don't think not signing Konoplyanka is a massive disaster for Liverpool. Importance would have been more psychological than footballing.
Also don't think Ian Ayre should be chastised for not pulling the deal off. Problem was with Dnipro, not with him.
But...questions have to be asked why they spent three days going for him without a backup when they must have known Dnipro's position.
It's also odd they'd pay £16m for Konoplyanka but not Salah, who seems to have been first choice.
Liverpool's failure is not missing out on Konoplyanka. It's getting into a position where missing out on him can be construed as failure.
For those saying Ayre shouldn't be absolved from blame: absolutely. I'm just blaming him for a different thing.
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