Brighton (A) Sat 14th of January

[keniget]

The situation you are describing, in its entirety, if accurate is a condemnation of owners and management, not klopp. They allow funds but they are misused? That's not how funds are allowed, it's never been how this team has operated. If there isn't a group, all rowing in the same direction on significant decisions, then the owners have just let the club drift.

It’s been clear that we’re drifting for a few years now. Just took a while for us to stop.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Nunez and Gakpo were terrible signings in light of were our squad is - they are not terrible players, but the inability to pump that 110 million into 2-3 midfielders will see us out of the CL and struggling to get the players who would have come to us happily if we were in the CL.
Remember, we are not Man U who can pay huge wages to entice players to give up their CL dreams.
If I'm bellingham, I go to Madrid and compete for the league every year for a decade ... Same with any midfielder who a top club wants ...
It's insane how quickly we've fallen ... but but, we almost won a quadruple last year ...

 

[Red Bird]

Nunez and Gakpo were terrible signings in light of were our squad is - they are not terrible players, but the inability to pump that 110 million into 2-3 midfielders will see us out of the CL and struggling to get the players who would have come to us happily if we were in the CL.
Remember, we are not Man U who can pay huge wages to entice players to give up their CL dreams.
If I'm bellingham, I go to Madrid and compete for the league every year for a decade ... Same with any midfielder who a top club wants ...
It's insane how quickly we've fallen ... but but, we almost won a quadruple last year ...

This is why I don’t blame the owners like most [fashionably] do. This is on the coaching staff.

 

[i_rushie]

These players nearly reached the pinnacle of European football less than eight months ago, and people here think that the only solution is to throw money because Klopp has done nothing to arrest the rot.

Even Eddie Howe is getting a tune out of his team.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

These players nearly reached the pinnacle of European football less than eight months ago, and people here think that the only solution is to throw money because Klopp has done nothing to arrest the rot.

Even Eddie Howe is getting a tune out of his team.

When you have no midfield and play a system which puts tremendous pressure on a defense without a legit midfield, you cannot compete.

Big sam would have us getting better results imo.

 

[tomasjj]

Yes, which makes it all the more baffling why he went back into denial mode after the WC. It’s like he forgot how bad our problems really are.

Yes. Two weeks in Dubai is not some time machine.

 

[King Binny]

He's not unquestionable but I feel bad for him. 🙁

 

[Modo]

These players nearly reached the pinnacle of European football less than eight months ago, and people here think that the only solution is to throw money because Klopp has done nothing to arrest the rot.

Even Eddie Howe is getting a tune out of his team.

I see what you're saying, but Eddie Howe and Klopp's situations aren't similar.
Howe's task is to get Newcastle to progress. Klopp's is about maintaining a position in the top 4. Even challenging for a league title.
From my perspective it seems to me that Klopp's job, considering the squad we have, is a whole lot easier.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

He's not unquestionable but I feel bad for him. 🙁

From believers to doubters

 

[MomoWASright]

Maybe Elliott isn’t the problem.

 

[Fabio]

He's not unquestionable but I feel bad for him. 🙁

If this is the start of a period of self reflection, where he realises maybe he needs to change how we play, then great. Perhaps it's worthwhile.

 

[Frogfish]

Klopp : I can't remember we played a worse game.

 

[i_rushie]

I see what you're saying, but Eddie Howe and Klopp's situations aren't similar.
Howe's task is to get Newcastle to progress. Klopp's is about maintaining a position in the top 4. Even challenging for a league title.
From my perspective it seems to me that Klopp's job, considering the squad we have, is a whole lot easier.

I think so too, but I hadn't worded my reply well at all.

 

[Raz]

Imagine if we bought a midfielder. Man, we'd still be the same, but we'd have something else to moan about (like out shit defending, shit attacking, lack of depth, lack of plan b, etc)

We don't need a midfielder, we need 3! A new RB and a new CB. Just to start.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Klopp : I can't remember we played a worse game.

So change the system ... it isnt rocket science... you have a terrible midfield that is compromising everything- so protect it, or change formation... fucking hell

 

[MomoWASright]

You know things are bad when Momo is backing us to lose.

 

[Modo]

Well, Klopp did. Hopefully, Bellingham likes a challenge more than a walk in the park.

Bellingham is already coming from team struggling in a league where they barely have a chance to win. I don't see him wanting to continue in that path.

 

[Frogfish]

So change the system ... it isnt rocket science... you have a terrible midfield that is compromising everything- so protect it, or change formation... fucking hell

Well to be fair Klopp said he did change it today but also said clearly it didn't work, my fault.

 

[darkstarexodus]

It's insane how quickly we've fallen ... but but, we almost won a quadruple last year ...

Although the results continued to come our way last season, I never thought we looked all that good. We squeaked a lot of results, as though we did just enough each week to get across the line.

 

[Frogfish]

Bellingham is already coming from team struggling in a league where they barely have a chance to win. I don't see him wanting to continue in that path.

No chance we get Bellingham now. Zero.

 

[tombrown]

To be fair we were doomed in this match with the poor grammar in the tread title. Its "2nd January", not "2nd of January". The "of" is used in spoken English, not in written English.

FFS - the small details matter

Does no one ever listen?

Fucking Hell. Remove those viking balls and eat them for breakfast

 

[Athens]

Well, that was shite. I see united are playing well, is it written in some prophecy somewhere that one team will be crap while the other is decent??

 

[binomial]

Do we though? Big money on Diaz a year ago. Nunez in the summer. Now Gakpo. We're never going to match City, Chelsea or United spending. Just is how it is.

Which is why FSG need to go.

 

[Fabio]

Well to be fair Klopp said he did change it today but also said clearly it didn't work, my fault.

How did he change the system? From what I could see it was the exact same of ideologically bereft play we've seen all season

 

[rurikbird]

While we’re all beating up on Klopp, I have to bring up another data point that Joe Gomez is a comically bad defender and should have definitely been sold to help raise funds for a midfielder with the dependable Nat Phillips taking his place. It might be a small detail in the grand scheme of things, but I think it’s symptomatic of the same kind of thinking that got us in trouble in other areas as all - taking a path of least resistance and not being proactive about the rebuild.

 

[King Binny]

Safe to have a punt on no clean sheet again for us I guess?

[article] De Zerbi’s men have an expected goals against total of 23.8, a figure only five teams can better.

Liverpool, on the other hand, have an xG against total of 28.7. Only six teams have a higher total this season.[/article]

Maybe I shouldn't let my loyalty affect decision. 😳🤓

 

[MomoWASright]

While we’re all beating up on Klopp, I have to bring up another data point that Joe Gomez is a comically bad defender and should have definitely been sold to help raise funds for a midfielder with Nat Phillips taking his place. It might be a small detail in the grand scheme of things, but I think it’s symptomatic of the same kind of thinking that got us in trouble in other areas as all - taking a path of least resistance and not being proactive about the rebuild.

I’m with you on this.

 

[mark1975]

Klopp : I can't remember we played a worse game.

Did he not watch us last week, and in tonnes of other games where every cunt could see this coming?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

While we’re all beating up on Klopp, I have to bring up another data point that Joe Gomez is a comically bad defender and should have definitely been sold to help raise funds for a midfielder with the dependable Nat Phillips taking his place. It might be a small detail in the grand scheme of things, but I think it’s symptomatic of the same kind of thinking that got us in trouble in other areas as all - taking a path of least resistance and not being proactive about the rebuild.

I was a big fan of Joe but he seems to be mentally fried.
Get a big bid, move on and if I'm klopp play nat I a 3 5 2 going forward

 

[Bradley]

Good game to miss. Sounds like a fucking mess from the comments here.