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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48212.msg1460865#msg1460865 date=1326148983]
It's not really the two-footedness that's the problem.

Consider the movement you have to make to get both feet going flying forwards towards the ball whilst running. It's similar to that of a long-jumper - it requires an initial upward lunge. In football terms this means the player will be coming in from a higher angle than the traditional tackle, with studs showing. They are also coming in at greater pace, due to the lack of friction with the ground, meaning a greater force or impact on whatever you impact upon. There is no doubt a long of skill in hitting your target in all of this, but there is also a greater amount of chance at play here with some serious consequences at risk. None of which face the player making the tackle.

Kompany should feel a little hard done by, but if it helps implant the idea that these sort of tackles are dangerous, which I believe they are, then the game as a whole will be safer and I don't think that's a bad thing at all really. The sounds and sights of bones breaking is especially haunting.
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Good point again. I agree with pretty much all of it.

It doesn't change my stance about the tackle as a whole though, I believe professional footballers can slide tackle using both feet & time it correctly except in the most extreme of circumstance, & in that circumstance rules ain't gonna matter anyway.

We aren't gonna agree on this, but I like the way you've debated it, if I wasn't so bloody minded I may have been persuaded.
 
johnson should have gone with that challenge.

no free kick. no nothing.
refs aren't incompetent, just inconsistent which is worse because at least with imcompetent you know what you're going to get.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462386#msg1462386 date=1326319164]
johnson should have gone with that challenge.

no free kick. no nothing.
refs aren't incompetent, just inconsistent which is worse because at least with imcompetent you know what you're going to get.
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Did Johnson even touch the man? No where in the rule book does it say 2 footed challenge = red card.
 
[quote author=Shelvey link=topic=48212.msg1462393#msg1462393 date=1326319352]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462386#msg1462386 date=1326319164]
johnson should have gone with that challenge.

no free kick. no nothing.
refs aren't incompetent, just inconsistent which is worse because at least with imcompetent you know what you're going to get.
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Did Johnson even touch the man? No where in the rule book does it say 2 footed challenge = red card.
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contact doesn't have to be made, it's intent.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462398#msg1462398 date=1326319410]
[quote author=Shelvey link=topic=48212.msg1462393#msg1462393 date=1326319352]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462386#msg1462386 date=1326319164]
johnson should have gone with that challenge.

no free kick. no nothing.
refs aren't incompetent, just inconsistent which is worse because at least with imcompetent you know what you're going to get.
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Did Johnson even touch the man? No where in the rule book does it say 2 footed challenge = red card.
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contact doesn't have to be made, it's intent.
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Johnson got to the ball and knocked it away just before the Citeh player arrived. The replay makes it quite clear. Even a yellow would have been a travesty.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462398#msg1462398 date=1326319410]
[quote author=Shelvey link=topic=48212.msg1462393#msg1462393 date=1326319352]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462386#msg1462386 date=1326319164]
johnson should have gone with that challenge.

no free kick. no nothing.
refs aren't incompetent, just inconsistent which is worse because at least with imcompetent you know what you're going to get.
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Did Johnson even touch the man? No where in the rule book does it say 2 footed challenge = red card.
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contact doesn't have to be made, it's intent.
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Johnson got to the ball and knocked it away just before the Citeh player arrived. The replay makes it quite clear. Even a yellow would have been a travesty.
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It is whether it is 'dangerous' is the issue. From where he was to the opponent, it wasn't.
 
So had LEscott (or whoever) had left his leg there, johnson gets the ball and then breaks his leg. Possibly end a fellow pro's season or career, then the situation changes? Behave. Them tackles are disgusting. Straight reds every day of the week.

There was no need to go in with both feet there. He had time to pull his left leg away.
 
I think if the Kompany one was a red card then the Magic one probs should have been one too.

That being said, i dont think the Kompany one was. I thought it was an excellent tackle.
 
[quote author=momoWASboss link=topic=48212.msg1462421#msg1462421 date=1326319785]
So had LEscott (or whoever) had left his leg there, johnson gets the ball and then breaks his leg. Possibly end a fellow pro's season or career, then the situation changes? Behave. Them tackles are disgusting. Straight reds every day of the week.

There was no need to go in with both feet there. He had time to pull his left leg away.
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And if my auntie had been born with a willy she'd be my uncle. Ifs and buts don't count.
 
[quote author=23carragold link=topic=48212.msg1462422#msg1462422 date=1326319800]
I think if the Kompany one was a red card then the Magic one probs should have been one too.

That being said, i dont think the Kompany one was. I thought it was an excellent tackle.
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they're both bad challenges
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462428#msg1462428 date=1326319908]
[quote author=23carragold link=topic=48212.msg1462422#msg1462422 date=1326319800]
I think if the Kompany one was a red card then the Magic one probs should have been one too.

That being said, i dont think the Kompany one was. I thought it was an excellent tackle.
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they're both bad challenges
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Nonsense.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48212.msg1462425#msg1462425 date=1326319899]
[quote author=momoWASboss link=topic=48212.msg1462421#msg1462421 date=1326319785]
So had LEscott (or whoever) had left his leg there, johnson gets the ball and then breaks his leg. Possibly end a fellow pro's season or career, then the situation changes? Behave. Them tackles are disgusting. Straight reds every day of the week.

There was no need to go in with both feet there. He had time to pull his left leg away.
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And if my auntie had been born with a willy she'd be my uncle. Ifs and buts don't count.
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So you'd be happy Rooney flying in on Gerrard like that as Gerrard may pull his leg out of it? These tackles mostly get reds for a reason. I've seen a broken leg on a Sunday league pitch from shithouse 2 footed tackle, it's not something I ever want to see again.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48212.msg1462433#msg1462433 date=1326319988]
Rodwell got sent off against us for less.
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And did you think that was a sending off?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48212.msg1462433#msg1462433 date=1326319988]
Rodwell got sent off against us for less.
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Just cos the situation benefits us doesn't make it any more just IMO. cf; Kompany being suspended tonight, I'd still argue it was never a red card.
 
[quote author=momoWASboss link=topic=48212.msg1462421#msg1462421 date=1326319785]
So had LEscott (or whoever) had left his leg there, johnson gets the ball and then breaks his leg. Possibly end a fellow pro's season or career, then the situation changes? Behave. Them tackles are disgusting. Straight reds every day of the week.

There was no need to go in with both feet there. He had time to pull his left leg away.
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You could say the same about volleying a ball in the air though, IF a players leg was there you could cause serious damage.

It's tehb timing that decides whether it's dangerous or not as well as anything. Simply a player using two feet doesn't make it dangerous.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48212.msg1462425#msg1462425 date=1326319899]
[quote author=momoWASboss link=topic=48212.msg1462421#msg1462421 date=1326319785]
So had LEscott (or whoever) had left his leg there, johnson gets the ball and then breaks his leg. Possibly end a fellow pro's season or career, then the situation changes? Behave. Them tackles are disgusting. Straight reds every day of the week.

There was no need to go in with both feet there. He had time to pull his left leg away.
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And if my auntie had been born with a willy she'd be my uncle. Ifs and buts don't count.
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So you'd be happy Rooney flying in on Gerrard like that as Gerrard may pull his leg out of it? These tackles mostly get reds for a reason. I've seen a broken leg on a Sunday league pitch from shithouse 2 footed tackle, it's not something I ever want to see again.
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You're missing the point. The Citeh player's leg wasn't in the way. He didn't get there till after Johnson had kicked the ball away. Not all such tackles are automatically dangerous.
 
if if if

if the player stands their ground and that two footed challenge lands it would proper fuck up that player.

someone points a gun and misses because the target dodges, that's okay? the bottom line is there is no reason for footed challenges and they should eradicated from the game.
 
[quote author=Leon link=topic=48212.msg1462450#msg1462450 date=1326320376]
Cabaye's was far more dangerous.
One footed tackles on a standing leg are the worst in the game
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Apart from two footed tackles on the standing leg by two opponents simultaneously.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462449#msg1462449 date=1326320355]
if if if

if the player stands their ground and that two footed challenge lands it would proper fuck up that player.

someone points a gun and misses because the target dodges, that's okay? the bottom line is there is no reason for footed challenges and they should eradicated from the game.
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You shouldn't be following a man's sport than. I don't want tackling to be taken out of the game which is what this type of nonsense will lead to.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462449#msg1462449 date=1326320355]
if if if

if the player stands their ground and that two footed challenge lands it would proper fuck up that player.

someone points a gun and misses because the target dodges, that's okay? the bottom line is there is no reason for footed challenges and they should eradicated from the game.
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Shit analogy.

They're not aiming at the player, but the ball. If the ball is nowhere near the player & they can see the player isn't gonna get there it doesn't fucking matter how many feet they use, or if they slap the ball with their cock.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48212.msg1462461#msg1462461 date=1326320582]
or if they slap the ball with their cock.
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I don't know if I agree but that would fun to watch
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48212.msg1462462#msg1462462 date=1326320651]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48212.msg1462461#msg1462461 date=1326320582]
or if they slap the ball with their cock.
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I don't know if I agree but that would fun to watch
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so you'd have fun watching a cock
 
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