Nice post Andy.
two footed challenges
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Yep...neither one should have been a Red.
But to state one deserves Red and the other does not, is the worst possible interpretation of things.
But to state one deserves Red and the other does not, is the worst possible interpretation of things.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48212.msg1463330#msg1463330 date=1326417551]
Yep...neither one should have been a Red.
But to state one deserves Red and the other does not, is the worst possible interpretation of things.
[/quote]Like i said, I havnt read the thread so I dont know if people are saying that.
Yep...neither one should have been a Red.
But to state one deserves Red and the other does not, is the worst possible interpretation of things.
[/quote]Like i said, I havnt read the thread so I dont know if people are saying that.
The only thing is if we don't take into account what might happen then people could be going around two footed drop kicking the ball 5 feet in the air, they'll win the ball and not hurt the opponent only because nobodies gonna stick their head into a dropkick challenge lol
That's how I see Johnsons tackle, the ball was in his possession then got away from him a little and he made a fuck you this is my ball tackle. Knowing the opponent will probably stay out of it.
That's how I see Johnsons tackle, the ball was in his possession then got away from him a little and he made a fuck you this is my ball tackle. Knowing the opponent will probably stay out of it.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463338#msg1463338 date=1326418043]
Nice post oncy, that was my point really, he judged it well, you can't do him for what might have happened. The drink driving analogy doesnt work coz youre reckless before you get in the car, johnson made a decision in a split second and got it right.
[/quote]Yeah in addition you arent talking about the best in the world at driving. These lads are the best there is at what they do. Its that split second shit that sets them apart from us. Its that total control they have in what they are doing that makes them elite. Sending Kompany off intimates he made a mistake. He certainly did not.
Nice post oncy, that was my point really, he judged it well, you can't do him for what might have happened. The drink driving analogy doesnt work coz youre reckless before you get in the car, johnson made a decision in a split second and got it right.
[/quote]Yeah in addition you arent talking about the best in the world at driving. These lads are the best there is at what they do. Its that split second shit that sets them apart from us. Its that total control they have in what they are doing that makes them elite. Sending Kompany off intimates he made a mistake. He certainly did not.
Here's another angle...
Fast forward to 16.16
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnm7tc_manchester-city-vs-liverpool-0-1-extended-highlights_sport#from=embediframe
Fast forward to 16.16
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnm7tc_manchester-city-vs-liverpool-0-1-extended-highlights_sport#from=embediframe
Thanks, my opinion is now more pixelated and full of digital artifacts.
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
People are making far too much of this.
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Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
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Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
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Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
Re: Re: two footed challenges
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
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Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
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It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
From another angle, Gerrard can be seen to be pushing with all his might to leap away from Naysmith's negative aura.
That just goes to show that two-footed tackles don't break legs. Naismith was fine. Actually, *scientifically speaking, a two footed lunge is potentially safer than a one-footed lunge, as the tackler's weight and impact in lbs/per square inch is split between two impact points rather than a single impact point.
Ergo, the single-footed challenge should be outlawed forthwith.
*[size=6pt]I actually have no scientific background and this could be absolute bollocks[/size]
Ergo, the single-footed challenge should be outlawed forthwith.
*[size=6pt]I actually have no scientific background and this could be absolute bollocks[/size]
Re: Re: two footed challenges
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
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Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
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Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463503#msg1463503 date=1326451847]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[/quote]
Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
Re: Re: two footed challenges
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463503#msg1463503 date=1326451847]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[/quote]
Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
[/quote]
But it kinda makes this ^ statement false.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48212.msg1463629#msg1463629 date=1326463494]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463503#msg1463503 date=1326451847]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[/quote]
Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
[/quote]
But it kinda makes this ^ statement false.
Re: Re: two footed challenges
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463809#msg1463809 date=1326478665]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48212.msg1463629#msg1463629 date=1326463494]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463503#msg1463503 date=1326451847]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[/quote]
Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
[/quote]
But it kinda makes this ^ statement false.
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Seriously, what does that even mean?
BTW John Barnes was just on the radio here and said loud and clear that he'd have had no problem with a tackle like Magic's in his playing days. The radio presenters (one of them an ex-player, Ray Parlour) had both been saying they thought both Kompany and Magic should have gone because both tackles "might" have been serious, to which Digger's answer was "Well, isn't the idea of the game that you have to try and avoid tackles anyway?". Neither of the others could answer that.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463809#msg1463809 date=1326478665]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48212.msg1463629#msg1463629 date=1326463494]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1463503#msg1463503 date=1326451847]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48212.msg1463500#msg1463500 date=1326451731]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48212.msg1#msg1 date=1326448990]
Does it? Lescott is at an angle to Johnson and Johnson isn't even looking at him. Also, for all of Mancini's kicking off, he didn't seem to give a shit when it shows him throwing the ball back to get on with the game. None of the City players protest, the commentators didn't think much of it either, the only people who make any fuss are the City fans, which is a natural reaction anyway to every tackle against their team.
People are making far too much of this.
[/quote]
Erm...theres a city player who's in the refs face directly after the incident.
[/quote]
It's hardly leaves a unanimous impression.
[/quote]
Zackly. One chancer trying his luck, the rest not even bothering to do that much. Whoop-de-do.
[/quote]
But it kinda makes this ^ statement false.
[/quote]
Seriously, what does that even mean?
BTW John Barnes was just on the radio here and said loud and clear that he'd have had no problem with a tackle like Magic's in his playing days. The radio presenters (one of them an ex-player, Ray Parlour) had both been saying they thought both Kompany and Magic should have gone because both tackles "might" have been serious, to which Digger's answer was "Well, isn't the idea of the game that you have to try and avoid tackles anyway?". Neither of the others could answer that.
I see a lot of journos are saying Maxi should have been sent off saturday. I am not surprised as many journos hates us, but that was not a dangerous tackle, and he kept his both feet steady at the ground during the tackle. I am surprised it was a free kick given by the otherwise excellent ref.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48212.msg1473642#msg1473642 date=1327928475]
I see a lot of journos are saying Maxi should have been sent off saturday. I am not surprised as many journos hates us, but that was not a dangerous tackle, and he kept his both feet steady at the ground during the tackle. I am surprised it was a free kick given by the otherwise excellent ref.
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I agree but another ref could easily have given a red in the current climate. Imagine the ghastly Lee Mason, for example - he would have reached for the red without a second's hesitation! Halsey is like a throwback to the best of the 1980s refs - he works well with players and tries to keep the game moving. As I said before, we dodged a bullet when Martin Atkinson had to withdraw from the match.
I see a lot of journos are saying Maxi should have been sent off saturday. I am not surprised as many journos hates us, but that was not a dangerous tackle, and he kept his both feet steady at the ground during the tackle. I am surprised it was a free kick given by the otherwise excellent ref.
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I agree but another ref could easily have given a red in the current climate. Imagine the ghastly Lee Mason, for example - he would have reached for the red without a second's hesitation! Halsey is like a throwback to the best of the 1980s refs - he works well with players and tries to keep the game moving. As I said before, we dodged a bullet when Martin Atkinson had to withdraw from the match.
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48212.msg1473642#msg1473642 date=1327928475]
I see a lot of journos are saying Maxi should have been sent off saturday. I am not surprised as many journos hates us, but that was not a dangerous tackle, and he kept his both feet steady at the ground during the tackle. I am surprised it was a free kick given by the otherwise excellent ref.
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I agree but another ref could easily have given a red in the current climate. Imagine the ghastly Lee Mason, for example - he would have reached for the red without a second's hesitation! Halsey is like a throwback to the best of the 1980s refs - he works well with players and tries to keep the game moving. As I said before, we dodged a bullet when Martin Atkinson had to withdraw from the match.
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So we should thank Fergie for giving him shit earlier? I like that idea 🙂
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48212.msg1473642#msg1473642 date=1327928475]
I see a lot of journos are saying Maxi should have been sent off saturday. I am not surprised as many journos hates us, but that was not a dangerous tackle, and he kept his both feet steady at the ground during the tackle. I am surprised it was a free kick given by the otherwise excellent ref.
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I agree but another ref could easily have given a red in the current climate. Imagine the ghastly Lee Mason, for example - he would have reached for the red without a second's hesitation! Halsey is like a throwback to the best of the 1980s refs - he works well with players and tries to keep the game moving. As I said before, we dodged a bullet when Martin Atkinson had to withdraw from the match.
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So we should thank Fergie for giving him shit earlier? I like that idea 🙂
It wasn't dangerous, no. But by the law of the game it was a sending off offence. However, referees need to use common sense in these situations and judge it for themselves as to whether or not it's dangerous. Halsey (who I thought handled the game really well) was spot on in deciding not to send him off. However, what Maxi did was quite silly, and surely he knew the risks involved?
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