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Saw it coming.. as soon as he opted for Balo up front on his todd again... It had defeat written all over it..

Why is Rodgers so adamant into sticking with that formation ? Has he not learnt from previous games ?, or is he becoming a victim of his own success and becoming a stubborn manager, like previous managers we have had here in recent times ?.

We lack zest speed and spark which we where so known for last season.

Borini despite his faults should be starting.. He is the natural replacement for Sturridge. His performance against Swansea warranted a Start IMHO. . And when he came on against Newcastle yesterday we had our first decent shot from open play. Before hand our midfield lumbered about trying to get the ball upto Balo..

Last season it wouldn't of mattered if we conceded, we would of gone and score 2 or 3 at the other end.

Defence is not the issue.. Rodgers has to get midfield and attack right.. However I'm slowly losing faith..
 
None of the the other 4th place challengers look up to much either.

There ain't many managers better than Rogers and given settling in and rebuild time you would be nuts to even think of replacing him.
 
ChastenedMUFC said:
None of the the other 4th place challengers look up to much either.

There ain't many managers better than Rogers and given settling in and rebuild time you would be nuts to even think of replacing him.
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I don't think anybody is seriously talking replacements they're just frustrated with a disappointing result and display. Given last seasons fantasy football (with and without Suarez) we're scratching our heads as to where the style has gone at present.

Depends how you look at these things but 7th and 3 points off 3rd whilst being rubbish might not be the crisis some are feeling right now.
 
RedNinja said:
Saw it coming.. as soon as he opted for Balo up front on his todd again... It had defeat written all over it..

Why is Rodgers so adamant into sticking with that formation ? Has he not learnt from previous games ?, or is he becoming a victim of his own success and becoming a stubborn manager, like previous managers we have had here in recent times ?.

We lack zest speed and spark which we where so known for last season.

Borini despite his faults should be starting.. He is the natural replacement for Sturridge. His performance against Swansea warranted a Start IMHO. . And when he came on against Newcastle yesterday we had our first decent shot from open play. Before hand our midfield lumbered about trying to get the ball upto Balo..

Last season it wouldn't of mattered if we conceded, we would of gone and score 2 or 3 at the other end.

Defence is not the issue.. Rodgers has to get midfield and attack right.. However I'm slowly losing faith..
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Defence is an issue too - more so than last season, when we had our amazing attack to get us out of tricky match situations, of which there were a number in the first half of the season at least.

As for losing faith, for me it's too soon to be going that far. I do think he has some uncomfortable questions to answer though.
 
He needs to play the same back four and Mignolet every single game, including League Cup games, instead of chopping and changing all the time.
 
ChastenedMUFC said:
None of the the other 4th place challengers look up to much either.

There ain't many managers better than Rogers and given settling in and rebuild time you would be nuts to even think of replacing him.
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Crazy that a Manc fan actually sees things better than some of our own. Well, that's assuming he isn't being sarcastic like when we were talking about how Moyes is doing a great job for them. 😉

Of course, Rodgers isn't blameless in all this mess right now, but anyway... it's a good point really about the other clubs. It's interesting how the media darlings from last season - Mourinho aside - are all struggling with their teams' performances so far this season - Martinez at Everton, Pochettino at Spurs (although he has the excuse of a change in teams) and Rodgers with us. Even Wenger, though not a media darling, has had an up-and-down season - somehow they're still only 3 points ahead of us.

And of course, this season's media darling isn't faring that much better.

Been a weird season so far for the guys in the spotlight.
 
RedNinja said:
Saw it coming.. as soon as he opted for Balo up front on his todd again... It had defeat written all over it..

Why is Rodgers so adamant into sticking with that formation ? Has he not learnt from previous games ?, or is he becoming a victim of his own success and becoming a stubborn manager, like previous managers we have had here in recent times ?.

We lack zest speed and spark which we where so known for last season.

Borini despite his faults should be starting.. He is the natural replacement for Sturridge. His performance against Swansea warranted a Start IMHO. . And when he came on against Newcastle yesterday we had our first decent shot from open play. Before hand our midfield lumbered about trying to get the ball upto Balo..

Last season it wouldn't of mattered if we conceded, we would of gone and score 2 or 3 at the other end.

Defence is not the issue.. Rodgers has to get midfield and attack right.. However I'm slowly losing faith..
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The squad just doesn't have goals in it. I don't blame Mario completely, we shouldn't have bought him and we clearly don't know how to play him. But we're losing because we can't shut teams out as much as we can't score goals. If we had an outlet it takes pressure off the rest of the side, we just don't at the minute and it's costing us because we can't rely on that back 5 to concentrate for the full 90. There's not really alot that's stubborn about it, we're stuck with what we've got and other than trying Lambert or Borini, who are both well below the standard of regulars, I'm not really sure what else we can do. We can make changes throughout the side, but it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. We need a striker.
 
I think there's plenty of goals in this squad but a key ingredient required to unlock those goals isn't present.

Last season was no different - our play, our training, our tactics were all dependent on movement and lots of it.

I don't agree with the original post that Borini is Sturridge's natural replacement but the one thing he does bring is movement. Currently the only movement we've got going on - even that was restricted against Newcastle - is Sterling. Right now we're trying to bullock our way through opposing defences with multiple scalpels. Last season we were using those same scalpels to slice through and none of them (Gerrard being the exception) is equipped to do it another way.

If we want our midfield to start firing and, subsequently, the rest of the team then we're going to have to provide them with movement. With Sturridge and Sterling providing that movement Mario might even find a home but, otherwise, he's just going to be the proverbial square peg.
 
Wizardry said:
I think there's plenty of goals in this squad but a key ingredient required to unlock those goals isn't present.

Last season was no different - our play, our training, our tactics were all dependent on movement and lots of it.

I don't agree with the original post that Borini is Sturridge's natural replacement but the one thing he does bring is movement. Currently the only movement we've got going on - even that was restricted against Newcastle - is Sterling. Right now we're trying to bullock our way through opposing defences with multiple scalpels. Last season we were using those same scalpels to slice through and none of them (Gerrard being the exception) is equipped to do it another way.

If we want our midfield to start firing and, subsequently, the rest of the team then we're going to have to provide them with movement. With Sturridge and Sterling providing that movement Mario might even find a home but, otherwise, he's just going to be the proverbial square peg.
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Sorry, I should have explained better, sure we have goals, but without Sturridge we don't have guaranteed goals. I'm sure we can get a few from Coutinho and co, but it's not enough without a genuine threat in there.
 
Klopp is doing it tough at Dortmund at the moment. I'd dare say he'd be out on his arse if he hadn't brought them titles and currently doing well in the CL.
7 points in 10 games. LOL.

I'd still like him to manage Liverpool one day.
 
IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts said:
Klopp is doing it tough at Dortmund at the moment. I'd dare say he'd be out on his arse if he hadn't brought them titles and currently doing well in the CL.
7 points in 10 games. LOL.

I'd still like him to manage Liverpool one day.
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Aye but he has had bits of his team sold again and had big injuries. I always say there's an adjustmant period too with the league no matter how good you are (Koeman has had great start, but some fortune and momentum too), so not a guaranteed immediate impact, but he's smarter than Rodgers tactically IMO, not as naive and has more top level experience, if we do pull the trigger at some point he'd be my list.
 
Fallon said:
Aye but he has had bits of his team sold again and had big injuries. I always say there's an adjustmant period too with the league no matter how good you are (Koeman has had great start, but some fortune and momentum too), so not a guaranteed immediate impact, but he's smarter than Rodgers tactically IMO, not as naive and has more top level experience, if we do pull the trigger at some point he'd be my list.
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What's the difference with Klopp having bits of his team sold and having big injuries to Rodgers having bits of his team sold and having big injuries?
 
The problem for me is that Sturridge aside, this is the team Rodgers has sculpted for this season with unprecedented funds for an LFC manager. Yet we are playing fucking shite and keep changing formation and players in a haphazard fashion.

He's signed Lallana and Markovic for £45m yet neither of them are in the team.he can't be saving them for Madrid whilst he flogs Sterling for another game.

Thing is, I can't see what he is building. Just seems to be flapping about and as a result we completely inconsistent and unable to build any rhythm as a team.
 
Wizardry said:
I don't agree with the original post that Borini is Sturridge's natural replacement but the one thing he does bring is movement. Currently the only movement we've got going on - even that was restricted against Newcastle - is Sterling.
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Thats my point about Borini.. we lack movement up front..

Balo is about as static as static gets.. Borini is the type of player that can draw players in to free up space for Balo.. Its a ploy that was used to great effect last season..

The slow lethargic tippy tappy nonsense then lump it to Balo tactic is just doing my swede in..
 
Other managers would have persisted with the same formation and tactics, and there would be no end in sight other than suicide. We've been there lest you forget.

Rodgers is at least trying to change things up to get around the worsening Balotelli problem. What do you want, for him to drop one of our talented midfielders in order to accommodate Lambert or Borini? That is an absolute last resort for obvious reasons. You can't blame him for desperately trying to find another solution first. He may be fucking useless at transfers, but his tactics and his ability to adapt are fairly decent.
 
The Balotelli problem will not get better as long as he's played on his own up front, so there's no earthly point in continuing to do that, whoever's in our midfield. Either we have to play a diamond with two up top, or (if we stick with one up front) Balotelli has to be dropped for Lambert or Borini. I don't like the choices any more than you do - and we need to address that in January - but sticking like grim death to the status quo isn't going to work.
 
Judge Jules said:
The Balotelli problem will not get better as long as he's played on his own up front, so there's no earthly point in continuing to do that, whoever's in our midfield. Either we have to play a diamond with two up top, or (if we stick with one up front) Balotelli has to be dropped for Lambert or Borini. I don't like the choices any more than you do - and we need to address that in January - but sticking like grim death to the status quo isn't going to work.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong - I've not managed to catch every game this season - but from the games I've seen there is very rarely anyone from the midfield breaking beyond Balotelli.

Last year we had Suarez dropping deep and Sturridge who likes to pull wide but we also had movement behind and beyond that from the midfield. I agree with you that at present Balotelli on his own isn't working and we've looked better when he's had a partner, but besides the Spurs game; why does the midfield seem so static? It's like the entire team has stopped moving.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that the players behind him are as much a part of the Balotelli problem as Mario is, in my opinion.
 
Interesting post and I agree in part. Of course everyone's missing Suarez, not only for his amazing skill but also for the way he ignited the whole team around him. More specifically, though, Suarez didn't just drop deep. Crucially he and the Studge ranged across the line, giving the midfield players people to aim for and helping to create gaps for them to run into. Balotelli hasn't done that nearly enough.
 
If we're talking about alternative managers, in the event BR gets sacked I would like us to look at De Boer. Koeman has done great at Southampton and I would rate De Boer above Koeman.
 
redhorizon2 said:
If we're talking about alternative managers, in the BR gets sacked I would like us to look at De Boer. Koeman has done great at Southampton and I would rate De Boer above Koeman.
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Don't need to mention who I'd want
 
redhorizon2 said:
If we're talking about alternative managers, in the BR gets sacked I would like us to look at De Boer. Koeman has done great at Southampton and I would rate De Boer above Koeman.
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I would prefer de Boer to Koeman as well. He keeps winning the league for a start.

This is not in any way a vote for a new manager.
 
Judge Jules said:
Interesting post and I agree in part. Of course everyone's missing Suarez, not only for his amazing skill but also for the way he ignited the whole team around him. More specifically, though, Suarez didn't just drop deep. Crucially he and the Studge ranged across the line, giving the midfield players people to aim for and helping to create gaps for them to run into. Balotelli hasn't done that nearly enough.
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Of course and I absolutely agree with your point on what each gave to us. But consider that we managed for a number of games last season with only Suarez or Sturridge in the team at any one time (the 6-0 at Newcastle for example). We've lost Suarez and in August we lost Sturridge, but more than that; the entire attack has lost its identity. Balotelli is not the answer to that and is not capable of giving anything similar to what Suarez and Sturridge give (he's just not that type of player, we know that), but he's also not the sole reason for the team displaying none of the traits that they were known for last season.

We do know that Rodgers built his attack around Suarez last season, could it be that now he is gone the team is being instructed to play as they are? Liverpool 2014/15 at this point looks a lot like the Liverpool of Brendan's first year - 65% possession at Newcastle and absolutely nothing to show for it.
 
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