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Red Mullet said:
We don't think he's blameless, we just don't think it's ALL on him. Subtle difference, it's not black or white or in your case 1 or 0.

Cloggy - in this case 'we' means a few posters and not all posters cos I know you don't like others speaking on your behalf 😉
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I don't think it's all on him.

But he manages the team and picks the starting 11 at the end of the day.. His arrogance to not take any blame and shove 'this project' nonsense down your throat is becoming a little tedious..

This week he came out with a quote 'we need to sign top quality players for next Season'

He said that at the beginning of last Season.

Then to suggest there is no person better than him for the job.. oh bloody dear
 
RedNinja said:
I don't think it's all on him.

But he manages the team and picks the starting 11 at the end of the day.. His arrogance to not take any blame and shove 'this project' nonsense down your throat is becoming a little tedious..

This week he came out with a quote 'we need to sign top quality players for next Season'

He said that at the beginning of last Season.

Then to suggest there is no person better than him for the job.. oh bloody dear
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He picks the team based on who's available and how the players have performed in training.

There are plenty of times he's taken blame and 'this project' is a terminology all managers use. It's similar to 'a plan' or 'method'.

Are you saying we should never sign top quality players next season?

You're becoming very Modo like in your posting - tedious for us and ultimately got him banned, which you know about. Step away, take a break then come back with the new season.
 
the count said:
Well rumours have persisted that we pretty much had him in the bag and dawdled to allow Arsenal to come in and sign him.
Wenger also said very recently that he was surprised that Arsenal were able to sign Sanchez as he thought that he was signing for Liverpool
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But the guy himself made it clear that he and his wife wanted to come to London so it's highly unlikely that, even if there was dawdling, it ultimately made any difference. Besides, fine player though he obv.is, I wouldn't have wanted to spend all that dosh on a player who didn't actually want to be here. Any success the signing might have brought would have been short-lived if he fundamentally wanted away from Day One.
 
Tony Barrett
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Daniel Sturridge’s status as Liverpool’s first-choice striker is under serious threat after Brendan Rodgers said that he may not play again this season and told of the need to sign a forward capable of “playing at a top level every week”.

Although Rodgers remains a firm advocate of Sturridge’s talent, regarding him as one of world football’s most outstanding finishers when fit and in form, the Liverpool manager’s frustration at being unable to rely on the 25-year-old has led him to conclude that an elite striker must be recruited this summer.

Sturridge is again unavailable for Liverpool’s Barclays Premier League fixture away to West Bromwich Albion today, having been unable to train for the past ten days as a result of a hip problem. His fitness issues left Rodgers admitting that he is not in a position to predict when the injury-plagued England forward will return to full fitness.

The increasing likelihood is that Sturridge, who signed a five-year contract worth up to £140,000 a week last October, will not feature again in this campaign, having been fit to start only five league games since August 31 as a result of a series of muscle injuries, mainly to his thigh and calf, which have severely restricted his involvement.

While prepared to acknowledge that Liverpool’s season has fallen short of expectations, Rodgers points to the loss of firepower caused by Luis Suárez’s departure to Barcelona and Sturridge’s lengthy absences in mitigation, and he does not want to be in a similar situation next season.

“It’s not rocket science. We haven’t scored enough goals this year,” Rodgers said. “We’re on course to be, if the sequence goes on, 60 goals down on last year — 60.

“That’s a huge amount. I came in the season before and we had got 49 goals, so you’re taking nearly a season of goals out the team.

“It’s quite simple, we need more of a scoring threat. We missed it immensely this year and obviously that has affected results.

“I think what the players have done to arrive where we have is credit to them without that. So in the summer we have to try and find goals again. We looked at it last summer and certainly will [again] this summer. If we do that we have an opportunity again for it to be like our second year.”

Asked how many players he would need to make up the goals deficit, Rodgers replied: “I am not sure, but I need one that is going to be playing and at a top level every week.”

He then added: “It can make a huge difference. If you look at teams who are successful they will have that, a consistent striker and what that gives the rest of the team is crucial. You saw it here with Suárez, the impact that kind of striker can have.”
 
Judge Jules said:
But the guy himself made it clear that he and his wife wanted to come to London so it's highly unlikely that, even if there was dawdling, it ultimately made any difference. Besides, fine player though he obv.is, I wouldn't have wanted to spend all that dosh on a player who didn't actually want to be here. Any success the signing might have brought would have been short-lived if he fundamentally wanted away from Day One.
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I don't ever remember reading a direct quote to that effect from Sanchez but there were plenty of rumours to that effect all right.
The facts seem to be few and far between and conjecture plentiful.
My belief remains that he was happy to go to Liverpool and our tardiness allowed Arsenal to turn his head with a more attractive offer.
If we had acted quickly that opportunity would never have arisen.
 
Hansern said:
Thats the spirit. Signing one of Europes hottest young strikers and we've given up on him already.
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Come on now.

I have seen nothing of him other than clips. There looks to be enough raw material to work with (e.g. pace, skill) and I'm looking forward to seeing him at Liverpool next season but to live up to the sort of billing you're giving him he'd need to be posting much better stats.
 
keniget said:
Come on now.

I have seen nothing of him other than clips. There looks to be enough raw material to work with (e.g. pace, skill) and I'm looking forward to seeing him at Liverpool next season but to live up to the sort of billing you're giving him he'd need to be posting much better stats.
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Interesting that no other teenager has scored more goals than him this season despite him having a average season playing in a shite team and has looked like his head is at Anfield already, at least that was the stat in April. He was ace in the WC. He's just turned 20 a week ago. Are there many other 19/20 year old strikers in Europe that look much better at this point re potential and ability?
Add 7 international games for one of Europes better national teams aswell this season.

Even if I added a bit about being the hottest I just get fucking sick of the constant negativity on this site.
Give the young kid a chance first. If he doesnt score in his first few games I'll bet several will be screaming failure.
 
Hansern said:
Interesting that no other teenager has scored more goals than him this season despite him having a average season playing in a shite team and has looked like his head is at Anfield already, at least that was the stat in April. He was ace in the WC. He's just turned 20 a week ago. Are there many other 19/20 year old strikers in Europe that look much better at this point re potential and ability?
Add 7 international games for one of Europes better national teams aswell this season.

Even if I added a bit about being the hottest I just get fucking sick of the constant negativity on this site.
Give the young kid a chance first. If he doesnt score in his first few games I'll bet several will be screaming failure.
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It's not really constant negativity. It's by and large gallows humour, which given how let down everyone is feeling is pretty understandable.

As I said, I've not seen him play properly so can't speak for his potential and ability but it did sound like you were exaggerating his case. And on that note, if we're being fair, you could say that if some are being too negative you go as far in the other direction.
 
keniget said:
It's not really constant negativity. It's by and large gallows humour, which given how let down everyone is feeling is pretty understandable.

As I said, I've not seen him play properly so can't speak for his potential and ability but it did sound like you were exaggerating his case. And on that note, if we're being fair, you could say that if some are being too negative you go as far in the other direction.
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Heh, if you read through my post I think you could justify that tag to som extent, at least in his age group.
Isnt a 19 year old kid who bossed it for Belgium in the WC a striker talent that you'd rate relativly high? And if you ranked the young strikers in Europe, he'd be pretty high up on the list aswell no? Who other are there in and around his age group?

I also say he's a kid and deserve his chance. That was the whole point.

There is a massive difference between calling him shite, a failure and a waste of money (different comments during this season) and that he's a highley rated striker. And, judging by Rodgers comments I dont think I'm going to far in the other direction despite exaggerating a bit:

The Belgian international has started the season in red-hot form and following his goal last night against Wolfsburg in the Europa League, Rodgers has spoken of his excitement at working with Origi next season when he returns to Merseyside.

"We took a player in Divock Origi who we believe will be world-class and we'll get him next summer," he said.

"He is a top player. He has everything - the speed, the profile and he can play now but our deal was that we couldn't bring him in now.

"That was unfortunate because he can run in behind, he can keep the ball, he can press and he can run."
 
the count said:
I don't ever remember reading a direct quote to that effect from Sanchez but there were plenty of rumours to that effect all right.
The facts seem to be few and far between and conjecture plentiful.
My belief remains that he was happy to go to Liverpool and our tardiness allowed Arsenal to turn his head with a more attractive offer.
If we had acted quickly that opportunity would never have arisen.
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The "Telegraph" certainly quoted him to that effect on one occasion that I can remember. I also remember them adding that he said he wanted to play with Mesut Ozil. Will try and post it if I find it.
 
Sturridge has been absolutely shite this season. Look behind the injuries and lack of match fitness, his workrate and decisions has been awful. Look like he wants to dribble away people everytime he has the ball. His movement lacks smartness. Fuck... there is a whole bunch of skilled youngsters in the team doing the same. Believing they should do tricks instead of using their technical abilities to mo e the ball fast around the opponent.
 
Insignificance said:
Sturridge has been absolutely shite this season. Look behind the injuries and lack of match fitness, his workrate and decisions has been awful. Look like he wants to dribble away people everytime he has the ball. His movement lacks smartness. Fuck... there is a whole bunch of skilled youngsters in the team doing the same. Believing they should do tricks instead of using their technical abilities to mo e the ball fast around the opponent.
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Because he hasn't been fully match fit once.

Fucks sake give the lad some slack.
 
Rodgers sounds more like Rafa all the time: look at the coy contrariness over Origi: a few months ago he was saying "He has everything - the speed, the profile and he can play now," then there were huge efforts to bring him in early, but then last Friday he was saying, 'He won't be ready straight away". Not much point in bringing him in last January, then, when it was clear you wanted to play him. Then he picks a player he's already basically discarded to play centre forward on Saturday. Pure Rafa. I'm sure he needs to play politics with FSG but I'd much prefer it if he leaves it until after the games have been played, when it can happen in a grown-up fashion behind closed doors.
 
keniget said:
It's not really constant negativity. It's by and large gallows humour, which given how let down everyone is feeling is pretty understandable.

As I said, I've not seen him play properly so can't speak for his potential and ability but it did sound like you were exaggerating his case. And on that note, if we're being fair, you could say that if some are being too negative you go as far in the other direction.
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It stops being humorous though when it's the same posters making the same jibes day in, day out.
 
Insignificance: the point Foxy's making is that, because Sturridge hasn't been match fit, it's understandable that he's going to be trying a bit too hard to do it all himself. He won't need the likes of you to tell him he hasn't been playing well. What he *does* need is support.
 
keniget said:
Come on now.

I have seen nothing of him other than clips. There looks to be enough raw material to work with (e.g. pace, skill) and I'm looking forward to seeing him at Liverpool next season but to live up to the sort of billing you're giving him he'd need to be posting much better stats.
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He was a teenager until last week - know many like him who've scored more goals in one of Europe's top leagues ?

He scored one recently by gambling on a run to the back post when the winger was going for the byline

a ) too few of our forwards make such runs
b ) only Ibe gets wide and attacks the fullbacks on the outside. Something i expected to see from Markovic but he's been out of position for most of the season.

It's something we may have next season which has been lacking this year
 
I tell you what, that Costa cunt is keeping Sturridge honest in the race to be the most injured player ever stakes.
 
Judge Jules said:
Insignificance: the point Foxy's making is that, because Sturridge hasn't been match fit, it's understandable that he's going to be trying a bit too hard to do it all himself. He won't need the likes of you to tell him he hasn't been playing well. What he *does* need is support.
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Indeed. Not many remember his poor games, but suarez had a run of them whenever he was overplayed, made bad decisions & got greedy by trying too hard.

Torres is easier to remember doing this. Whenever he wasn't fully fit he was greedy yet ineffectual & it turned him into a diving moaning cunt too.

I'm seeing almost the same pattern of pay from Sturridge, only he isn't blaming anyone else or getting himself sent off.

He had a run of games last season without suarez in the side & showed everything people are demanding of him now, so he is capable of it, but I believe to do so he needs to be fully match fit for a couple of games at least.
 
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Getting him through the autumn in one piece is the task. Those fixtures, with stupid England friendlies and European games, seem designed to crock him.
 
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