Sturridge

[6TimesaRed]

Isn't there a thread where it's said that Rodgers is poo because he didn't want Sturridge and now this thread says we should sell him or he's unreliable?

So we get rid of Rodgers and Sturridge? Talk about fickle fans.

how is it fickle... ???

He is completely unreliable... all season that has been the case with Sturridge due to his injury record.. We have attempted to play him when not 100% and he has been below par on most occasions.. A club with ambitions as much as ours you simply cannot rely upon a player like that despite how good he is. He has a history of injuries.. so bad foresight from the management team could also be argued as we went into the new season expecting him to lead our line, without the adequate back up in place

Yes I would like to keep him.. but I see no benefit to the team given the last 12 months if his injury problems do not improve. He is the clubs new Harry Kewell... (better player though)

 

[Best Believe It]

Isn't there a thread where it's said that Rodgers is poo because he didn't want Sturridge and now this thread says we should sell him or he's unreliable?

So we get rid of Rodgers and Sturridge? Talk about fickle fans.

No, this thread is asking the question about whether we can rely on Sturridge, and if we can't, what that means for his future. Is that taboo or something?

EDIT: I also don't think that's an unreasonable discussion given he's been injured for most of the season and that, in the time he's been here he's been injured more than most.

 

[Hansern]

Last few seasons he's played:

33 games
43 games
28 games
33 games
And 17 games this season.

He also played 16 international games in this period.

He's been very unlucky this season and some of the injuries also makes it look like we havent helped his recovery or threatment in the best possible way either. Hopefully we're getting there now.

Iow, yes I think we can count on him to some extent. He's such a quality player that he's a must keep but we also need a top quality striker to take the pressure of him and making us not to dependent on him being fit.

 

[mark1975]

how is it fickle... ???

He is completely unreliable... all season that has been the case with Sturridge due to his injury record.. We have attempted to play him when not 100% and he has been below par on most occasions.. A club with ambitions as much as ours you simply cannot rely upon a player like that despite how good he is. He has a history of injuries.. so bad foresight from the management team could also be argued as we went into the new season expecting him to lead our line, without the adequate back up in place

Yes I would like to keep him.. but I see no benefit to the team given the last 12 months if his injury problems do not improve. He is the clubs new Harry Kewell... (better player though)

He's been unreliable for *a season*. Ryan is right, we need to buy another because after this season, he just can't be relied upon, but talk of selling him after one difficult spell is just fucking stupid.

 

[mark1975]

Last few seasons he's played:

33 games
43 games
28 games
33 games
And 17 games this season.

He also played 16 international games in this period.

He's been very unlucky this season and some of the injuries also makes it look like we havent helped his recovery or threatment in the best possible way either. Hopefully we're getting there now.

Iow, yes I think we can count on him to some extent. He's such a quality player that he's a must keep but we also need a top quality striker to take the pressure of him and making us not to dependent on him being fit.

Exactly, but yeah, the first sign of chaos and lets go with Redninja's policy and just sell/sack.

*He just can't be relied upon* Says the poster who wanted to sack Rodgers in October.

 

[Rosco]

I cant believe I just liked a Hansern post

 

[Hansern]

I cant believe I just liked a Hansern post

Haha, me neither. I was due to have a good post at some stage. 😉

 

[6TimesaRed]

Exactly, but yeah, the first sign of chaos and lets go with Redninja's policy and just sell/sack.

*He just can't be relied upon* Says the poster who wanted to sack Rodgers in October.

Not far wrong though was I ?? ..

We are no better than we where in October..

I still don't think Rodgers is the long term soloution.. I never really have..

Without getting into the detail and turning this into a Rodgers out thread there is enough evidance stacked against him to suggest he is not the right man for us moving forward..

Cannot attract the player's, cannot get it right in the transfer market.. show's tactical misgivings and can't win in Europe.. One directional approach to play the game (pace, pace and more pace)... but hey lets give him another season so we end up becoming more like Swansea everyday..

We have players he refuses to play because they 'don't fit into his system' Its arrogance beyond beleif.. It like his 'ego' rules all..

It wasn't Rodgers that nearly won us the title last season.. it was because of this fabulous player we had Called Suarez.. The type of player that could lift any team, the type of player we sadly miss..

 

[mark1975]

We have players he refuses to play because they 'don't fit into his system' Its arrogance beyond beleif.. It like his 'ego' rules all..

Why is it arrogance refusing to play players who he didn't want? I assume you're talking about Lambert and Mario. So are these also the players he "cannot get right in the transfer market"? Which is it?

Also this inability/refusal to change his tack, does that discount when he changed to 3 at the back, or when we went on a 13 game unbeaten run that showed an ability to roll our sleeves up and defend, while also scoring some cracking goals that had no reliance on pace whatsoever?

Tell me why we are becoming more and more like Swansea? We might not have had quite the season we expected, but we're on the fringe of CL qualification. Not sure how that means we're becoming "more like Swansea everyday". Just sounds like more sensationalist, over-reactive bollocks.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Why is it arrogance refusing to play players who he didn't want? I assume you're talking about Lambert and Mario. So are these also the players he "cannot get right in the transfer market"? Which is it?

Also this inability/refusal to change his tack, does that discount when he changed to 3 at the back, or when we went on a 13 game unbeaten run that showed an ability to roll our sleeves up and defend, while also scoring some cracking goals that had no reliance on pace whatsoever?

Tell me why we are becoming more and more like Swansea? We might not have had quite the season we expected, but we're on the fringe of CL qualification. Not sure how that means we're becoming "more like Swansea everyday". Just sounds like more sensationalist, over-reactive bollocks.

He freezes players out.. instead of adapting his system to play to the players strengths he continues with this mish mash formation to get playing with a system he insists is the way moving forward.. The answer was to bring a player back in... he Froze out... LUCAS.. Players constantly played out of position to accomadate 'his wonderful style of play' which are just ineffective

Be honest now that unbeaten run.. bar a few good perfomances we limped over the line on a many occasions to get a result.. We where held to replays by lower league outfits at home who worked out Rodgers Tactics which he had no solution for to overcome.

Don't get me started on the signings.. the two players over the years that you can say in all honestly are decent signings is Coutinho and Can.. Sakho and Sturridge you could argue aren't too far behind.. The rest the jury is well and truly out.. and then you have the useless cunts we have out on loan.. A huge amount of money wasted...

We are not on the fringe of Champions League Qualification.. we are 7 points adrift.. it is far from acceptable for a team that challenged for the title last season..

 

[mark1975]

What the fuck are you going on about? He brought Lucas back in months ago, he's injured now. If you're talking about last season, we did ok on a brilliant unbeaten run without him. In hindsight we should have shut up shop in a couple of the final games, but by and large, it wasn't an exclusion that destroyed our season, we just ran out of steam in a couple of matches.

 

[Red Mullet]

What the fuck are you going on about? He brought Lucas back in months ago, he's injured now. If you're talking about last season, we did ok on a brilliant unbeaten run without him. In hindsight we should have shut up shop in a couple of the final games, but by and large, it wasn't an exclusion that destroyed our season, we just ran out of steam in a couple of matches.

Told you - fickle.

The only thing against Rodgers is that he hasn't won a trophy and the only thing against Sturridge is this seasons injuries.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Told you - fickle.

The only thing against Rodgers is that he hasn't won a trophy and the only thing against Sturridge is this seasons injuries.

Got nothing to do with a Trophy.. building a team that has the ability to compete to challenge for and in the champions league or trophies.. we are no where near that... People cannot keep using last Season as a reason to keep hold of Rodgers, or picture him as the new Messiah..

He has far too many failings at this level...

 

[Leo]

He froze out Lucas?
Hahahahahaha

 

[mark1975]

Got nothing to do with a Trophy.. building a team that has the ability to compete to challenge for and in the champions league or trophies.. we are no where near that... People cannot keep using last Season as a reason to keep hold of Rodgers, or picture him as the new Messiah..

He has far too many failings at this level...

So being on the fringe of CL qualification and capable of going on long unbeaten runs is "nowhere near that"? Ok.

 

[tombrown]

Not far wrong though was I ?? ..

We are no better than we where in October..

I still don't think Rodgers is the long term soloution.. I never really have..

Without getting into the detail and turning this into a Rodgers out thread there is enough evidance stacked against him to suggest he is not the right man for us moving forward..

Cannot attract the [hl]player's[/hl], cannot get it right in the transfer market.. [hl]show's[/hl] tactical misgivings and can't win in Europe.. One directional approach to play the game (pace, pace and more pace)... but hey [hl]lets[/hl] give him another season so we end up becoming more like Swansea everyday..

We have players he refuses to play because they 'don't fit into his system' [hl]Its [/hl]arrogance beyond beleif.. [hl]It [/hl]like his 'ego' rules all..

It wasn't Rodgers that nearly won us the title last season.. it was because of this fabulous player we had Called Suarez.. The type of player that could lift any team, the type of player we sadly miss..

At the risk of being labelled fickle - can I suggest an "Appropriate use of the apostrophe" training class?

 

[Judge Jules]

Please do.

 

[tombrown]

OK

I suggest an "Appropriate use of apostrophe" training class.

 

[Red Mullet]

So being on the fringe of CL qualification and capable of going on long unbeaten runs is "nowhere near that"? Ok.

Making a player the messiah is also ok irrespective of the media doubling them the new SS.

 

[hookem14]

As someone said previously, I think Studge is one of those players that plays up to a great team, but doesn't have the mentality to bring a poorer team up himself a la squarez. Add to that fact his glass build, I think bringing in a quality striker would only motivate him more and perhaps bring the best out of him again.

 

[Ryan]

As someone said previously, I think Studge is one of those players that plays up to a great team, but doesn't have the mentality to bring a poorer team up himself a la squarez.

I think that's harsh. He carried a fucking rubbish Bolton side on his own during that loan spell.

 

[hookem14]

I think that's harsh. He carried a fucking rubbish Bolton side on his own during that loan spell.

That's fair. I overlooked his loan spell. I suppose this year we will find out, but with all the stories about him being mentally weak, afraid of getting re injured, and his general lackadaisical attitude on the pitch this season, I just don't know. Like I said I think he IS quality, but he may not have the mentality a top forward needs. It seems like he needs to be pushed. At Bolton he was still trying to prove something. What does he feel like he needs to prove when he is the most talented striker in the squad

 

[Hansern]

The stories about him being mentally weak is just that, stories.
His injuries this season arent comparable to the rest of his career if you look at his stats. I think our medical team were to blame aswell. Two times he was on his way back and broke down again.

Need another top quality striker though.

 

[Judge Jules]

By all accounts he came back from Boston with a report from there which was critical of the way he's been handled by our (previous) medical team, but his fitness was on a pretty even keel before Hodgson came clumping into his career (and our season) with his feckin size 12s.

 

[ILD]

Don't get me started on the signings.. the two players over the years that you can say in all honestly are decent signings is Coutinho and Can.. Sakho and Sturridge you could argue aren't too far behind.. The rest the jury is well and truly out.. and then you have the useless cunts we have out on loan.. A huge amount of money wasted...
quote]

Sturridge has been an excellent signing. He has been injured this season but he has 35 goals in 44 starts in the league.

 

[Rosco]

Even the worst stats view - 35 goals in 2 and a half seasons.

That's fine for 12m

 

[gkmacca]

Being concerned about your injuries isn't being mentally weak. People forget now but there was a time when Gerrard, in his early twenties, was really anxious about a series of niggling back problems and some pundits were even predicting he'd always be injury prone. He got through it, and Sturridge may well do the same. He needs to really trust the medical team, for one thing, and he needs a good start to next season.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Sturridge has been an excellent signing. He has been injured this season but he has 35 goals in 44 starts in the league.

44 Starts in the league since we signed him in January 2013 as a main Striker.. It is not good enough at this level for a team that has Top 4 aspirsations.. no Matter how much you try to dress it up..

Yes a backup option could be considered.. but he is the type of player that would sulk (he has a history of it) if he was to be used in that way


You have to hope he can overcome his injuries.. but his past record and even in his own words seem to suggest otherwise..

 

[ILD]

44 Starts in the league since we signed him in January 2013 as a main Striker.. It is not good enough at this level for a team that has Top 4 aspirsations.. no Matter how much you try to dress it up..

Yes a backup option could be considered.. but he is the type of player that would sulk (he has a history of it) if he was to be used in that way


You have to hope he can overcome his injuries.. but his past record and even in his own words seem to suggest otherwise..

He was still a good signing though.

 

[cloggypop]

He was still a good singing though.

How's it go?