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aquaman4

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they both deserve being above us they have played an expansive exciting brand of football both at home and away during the course of the season .we have been trying to grind results huff and puff and blew no house down.Next summer is the most important summer ever for us we might might end up a mid table team fighting for europa place with the likes of Aston villa and Birmingham .
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39781.msg1086531#msg1086531 date=1271002488]
The summer of 1960 or 1961 was probably more important.
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I wasn't born then but i believe you if you say so.
 
[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=39781.msg1086529#msg1086529 date=1271002341]
they both deserve being above us they have played an expansive exciting brand of football both at home and away during the course of the season .we have been trying to grind results huff and puff and blew no house down.Next summer is the most important summer ever for us we might might end up a mid table team fighting for europa place with the likes of Aston villa and Birmingham .
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May already been a summer too late I'm afraid. If Man city gets 4th to compete in CL, they'll be able to attract better players. At this rate, we are becoming the new Spurs (well, I mean the old Spurs, you get what I mean)
 
Its not looking very promising, if City can hold their nerve and get 4th then their "project" will take a huge step forward this summer, being in a position to offer players top wages and Champions League football means we will be trailing very far behind them when it comes to picking up top talent this summer. I expect them to be realistic contenders for the title next year, I expect us to struggle to stay above the likes of Villa and Everton next year
 
Surely, winning games to get points mean they deserve to be higher up the table?

I couldn't care less if exciting football is played or not as long as we win. If huff and puff is required to win the game then do it. Playing exciting football means nothing if the game is lost.
 
I don't get this 'deserve' stuff

if you finish 1st you deserve to be 1st
if you finish 2nd you deserve to be 2nd
if you finish 3rd you deserve to be 3rd
if you finish 4th you deserve to be 4th
and so on...

the league table never lies
if by some MIRACLE we finished 4th we'd deserve it
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39781.msg1086590#msg1086590 date=1271006794]
I don't get this 'deserve' stuff

if you finish 1st you deserve to be 1st
if you finish 2nd you deserve to be 2nd
if you finish 3rd you deserve to be 3rd
if you finish 4th you deserve to be 4th
and so on...

the league table never lies
if by some MIRACLE we finished 4th we'd deserve it
[/quote]


Yes. The league is a fair reflection of where you deserve to finish (unless goal difference is the determining factor). But whatever, it's the fairest possible reflection of your status that you're going to get.

It's the cup competitions where luck plays a prominent role and which can be undeservedly won.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39781.msg1086590#msg1086590 date=1271006794]
I don't get this 'deserve' stuff

if you finish 1st you deserve to be 1st
if you finish 2nd you deserve to be 2nd
if you finish 3rd you deserve to be 3rd
if you finish 4th you deserve to be 4th
and so on...

the league table never lies
if by some MIRACLE we finished 4th we'd deserve it
[/quote]


Yes. The league is a fair reflection of where you deserve to finish (unless goal difference is the determining factor). But whatever, it's the fairest possible reflection of your status that you're going to get.

It's the cup competitions where luck plays a prominent role and which can be undeservedly won.

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Jeez, mate...don't say that..

You'll have a bunch of ppl baying for your blood.
 
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=39781.msg1086601#msg1086601 date=1271007342]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39781.msg1086590#msg1086590 date=1271006794]
I don't get this 'deserve' stuff

if you finish 1st you deserve to be 1st
if you finish 2nd you deserve to be 2nd
if you finish 3rd you deserve to be 3rd
if you finish 4th you deserve to be 4th
and so on...

the league table never lies
if by some MIRACLE we finished 4th we'd deserve it
[/quote]


Yes. The league is a fair reflection of where you deserve to finish (unless goal difference is the determining factor). But whatever, it's the fairest possible reflection of your status that you're going to get.

It's the cup competitions where luck plays a prominent role and which can be undeservedly won.

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Jeez, mate...don't say that..

You'll have a bunch of ppl baying for your blood.
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Why? It's the truth.

In the league everyone plays everyone. Fair test.

In the cup, it's down to the luck of the draw and your route to the trophy. (cite Porto CL run in 2004 or Millwall FA cup run in 2006)
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39781.msg1086602#msg1086602 date=1271007438]

Jeez, mate...don't say that..

You'll have a bunch of ppl baying for your blood.
[/quote]

Why? It's true.
 
Of course it it's true.

Doesnt mean there wouldnt be people viewing that as a slight against Rafa which must be punished.
 
I done the maths, its all over >🙁


4 Man City 33 62 Man U Arsenal Aston Villa Tottenham West Ham
5 Tottenham 32 58 Arsenal Chelsea Manu U Bolton Man City Burnley
6 Liverpool 34 56 West Ham (H) Burnley (A) Chelsea (H) Hull (A)


From the remaining fixtures i predict realistically / slightly optimistically:

City 5pts finish on 67
Spurs 7pts finish on 65
Us 9pts finish on 65
 
I think Villa will finish above us this season Markeh, they have 2 games in hand on us and are only a couple of points back.
 
I've been of the opinion that Man Shitty were a massive threat from Day One

But I'm always right, so, y'know...whatever
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39781.msg1086647#msg1086647 date=1271014187]
I've been of the opinion that Man Shitty were a massive threat from Day One

But I'm always right, so, y'know...whatever
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I'm not sure you were the only one predicting this, Nostradamus.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39781.msg1086647#msg1086647 date=1271014187]
I've been of the opinion that Man Shitty were a massive threat from Day One

But I'm always right, so, y'know...whatever
[/quote]

I'm not sure you were the only one predicting this, Nostradamus.
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No no DSE, it was a massive balls-on-the-line predicton. Remember, after spending 200M in a year, most other people were tipping them for relegation.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39781.msg1086762#msg1086762 date=1271032604]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=39781.msg1086669#msg1086669 date=1271016232]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39781.msg1086647#msg1086647 date=1271014187]
I've been of the opinion that Man Shitty were a massive threat from Day One

But I'm always right, so, y'know...whatever
[/quote]

I'm not sure you were the only one predicting this, Nostradamus.
[/quote]

No no DSE, it was a massive balls-on-the-line predicton. Remember, after spending 200M in a year, most other people were tipping them for relegation.
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Haha, lovely dry sarcasm Ryan.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39781.msg1086647#msg1086647 date=1271014187]
I've been of the opinion that Man Shitty were a massive threat from Day One

But I'm always right, so, y'know...whatever
[/quote]

Actually, to give the lunatic his due; it was Rebel.

At the time, my view was that we'd still be ok if we managed to get the right players.

we havent.
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=39781.msg1086623#msg1086623 date=1271009883]
I done the maths, its all over >🙁


4 Man City 33 62 Man U Arsenal Aston Villa Tottenham West Ham
5 Tottenham 32 58 Arsenal Chelsea Manu U Bolton Man City Burnley
6 Liverpool 34 56 West Ham (H) Burnley (A) Chelsea (H) Hull (A)


From the remaining fixtures i predict realistically / slightly optimistically:

City 5pts finish on 67
Spurs 7pts finish on 65
Us 9pts finish on 65
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I coule be completely wrong but I think

City 6pts
Spurs 11pts
LFC 12 pts.

Which still leaves us out of the CL places. For some reason I think Spurs will get a point from one of manu, chelsea or Arsenal and I believe they'll beat City.


I also still believe that Villa will fall over too often in the run home; they looked destroyed against Chelsea.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39781.msg1086590#msg1086590 date=1271006794]
if you finish 1st you deserve to be 1st
if you finish 2nd you deserve to be 2nd
if you finish 3rd you deserve to be 3rd
if you finish 4th you deserve to be 4th
and so on...
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I don't get it, neil. ???
 
I predicted City would finish in the top 4, though at the expense of Arse rather than us 🙁
 
I'd rather we did not bump up the summer predictions thread this year.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39781.msg1086607#msg1086607 date=1271007905]
Of course it it's true.

Doesnt mean there wouldnt be people viewing that as a slight against Rafa which must be punished.
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For fucks sake Avvy. There are about 5 people on this site who defend Rafa.

'punished'? 'baying for blood'?

There's no need for the drama.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39781.msg1086964#msg1086964 date=1271077628]
I predicted City would finish in the top 4, though at the expense of Arse rather than us 🙁
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x2 🙁
 
Carlos Tevez criticises Roberto Mancini's training methods

• 'We are tired but there are still double sessions'
• Tevez criticises City for goading United with poster
Daniel Taylor The Guardian, Tuesday 13 April 2010



Carlos Tevez has disrupted Manchester City's preparations for Saturday's derby against Manchester United by publicly questioning the manager Roberto Mancini's training methods and criticising the club for using his signing to provoke their rivals with the infamous 'Welcome to Manchester' billboard.

Tevez, City's outstanding player since his defection from United last summer, said he did not agree with the sacking of Mark Hughes as manager and expressed his misgivings about Mancini's training regime. "The players are not happy with this," Tevez said. "We are at the end of a long season, we have big matches, we are tired but there are still double training sessions, morning and afternoon. Then, the next day, we train for two hours. I do not understand. But, please, he is the coach and I am the player. He is in charge. I am OK with him."

The Argentinian went on to say he was unhappy about City's decision to greet his £25.5m signing by erecting the billboard that led to an angry Sir Alex Ferguson describing United's neighbours as "a small club with a small mentality".

Tevez said: "I never understood the intention of that poster. What was the point? Was it to welcome me to Manchester City or was it to anger Manchester United? Nobody ever told me. I'm indifferent towards it but it is important you know I had nothing to do with the poster. I'd have preferred for it not to be there. I have respect for all the clubs I used to play for. That was not showing respect, was it? I did not transfer from United to City for the controversy."

Of Hughes's sacking, he said of City's owners in Abu Dhabi: "It is their club, their money. But, if you ask me if I thought it was the right decision, the answer is no. I will play for any manager; I play for the shirt and must respect the right of the people who make decisions to change things, but a team does not form overnight. Mark should have been given more time. The decision was taken with too much haste. Did the directors think it through? You cannot invest so much and then sack the manager after five months. Mark brought us all here. He is a great manager and he will get another big club, 100%.'"

Tevez's remarks to the Daily Mail are likely to go down badly at City in a week when the club had asked not to speak to the media, mindful of the controversy he caused with his provocative comments surrounding the Carling Cup semi-final against United in January. Tevez had described Gary Neville as a "boot-licker" and a "moron" and City had wanted him to stay out of the limelight .

The striker did at least attempt to strike a conciliatory tone when asked about his feud with Neville. Tevez recently told a fans' forum he still held the same views on United's captain but he was in no mood for prolonging the argument yesterday, saying "That was a passing moment with Gary. It's gone now. I don't have a problem with Gary."

He would not comment on his relationship with Ferguson — "not in this interview," he said — but reiterated that he felt misused during his two seasons at Old Trafford. "I am playing now as a free striker. This is my position. I am now playing in the position I played in Argentina and Brazil and in the last 10 games for West Ham. At Manchester United I was asked to defend more. It was a different responsibility."

Tevez was sympathetic towards West Ham, who are in danger of relegation from the Premier League. City face them on the final day of the season and he cannot bear the thought of sending them down. "To score such a goal against them would change my history with them. When the game comes, I hope City have already secured fourth place and West Ham are safe. That is the best I hope for."

Moron.
 
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[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=39781.msg1086529#msg1086529 date=1271002341]
they both deserve being above us they have played an expansive exciting brand of football both at home and away during the course of the season .we have been trying to grind results huff and puff and blew no house down.Next summer is the most important summer ever for us we might might end up a mid table team fighting for europa place with the likes of Aston villa and Birmingham .
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May already been a summer too late I'm afraid. If Man city gets 4th to compete in CL, they'll be able to attract better players. At this rate, we are becoming the new Spurs (well, I mean the old Spurs, you get what I mean)
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Its not so much of attracting good players, its about getting the best out of the players we have and going to have. New manager would be able to do this as we all know Rafa has failed. Players would respond to new manager's tactics, training, style of play etc. We would probably see a more improve Liverpool next summer.
 
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