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Looking for the pulitzer there? Shocking news that lfc fans not backing Rodgers were wrong and the proof is 5-0 against Swansea. You told us all the time, but we just wouldn't listen. Who looks stupid now??
Ill ask you in a polite way. Was the 3-1 against scum when Kuyt scored a hatrick an equal good game to the Swansea game? It is silly to pick one game to proove a point, especially one coming after two rather painful defeats.
What exactly id the point you try to prove anyway. That people that dont buy the FSG project with a young inexperienced manager is wrong? That people that dont feel Rodgers is not yhe future for us should change their mind based on that one game?
My point was so simple even you should get it.
People claim they see no progress under Rodgers yet the type of football we played (movement, passing, chances created) I've not seen in a long time from a Liverpool side.
The Utd game while brilliant in result and effort was hardly a collective flowing attacking masterpiece. It was more of a Suarez Roy of the Rovers against Utd with the rest showing the intensity and desire 1 would always expect against our biggest rivals.
The game against Swansea showed the progress to those who claim there has been none and drilled home the point Rodgers should get more time.
There has been no real progress under Rodgers. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
We are just as inconsistent now as we've been for years.
There have been occasional bursts of good football under all Managers (except Hodgson) since Dalglish's first term but we are still dogged by an inability to close out games or concentrate for consecutive games. And that's without the off the field debacles which are routine now.
This Manager is likely to get plenty of time as he is FSG's own gamble, so I hope this 'progress' continues, but I'm way too wary now to get carried away.
We could roar to victory against Zenit or put in another off-colour display and disappoint again...who knows?
We are just as inconsistent now as we've been for years.
There have been occasional bursts of good football under all Managers (except Hodgson) since Dalglish's first term but we are still dogged by an inability to close out games or concentrate for consecutive games. And that's without the off the field debacles which are routine now.
This Manager is likely to get plenty of time as he is FSG's own gamble, so I hope this 'progress' continues, but I'm way too wary now to get carried away.
We could roar to victory against Zenit or put in another off-colour display and disappoint again...who knows?
Yeah, we could be dancing in the streets of Liverpool or saying there's no easy games in the Europa League 🙂
No, no, we played like the old Wimbledon before this season - get with the programme.
We played some lovely football last season & we've played some lovely football this too.
I think the difference is the overall age of the team has reduced quite a bit, which gives you the impression that the team can kick on together.
With the inclusion of Sturridge too, the balance seems almost perfect for the first time since Kenny's initial few months this time round, which again gives you hope that there's more to come & a plan for the long term.
There's also signs of regression though, the lack of defensive strength has obvious excuses, but is still worrying.
Ross made a point about our core players perhaps not being strong enough, & I think there's an element of truth in there, and with that in mind I like the principle of having a manager in charge for a few seasons so we can have continuity.
To say there is no progression is nonsense. To say it's without its issues or the first time we've seen this is just as incorrect though.
I think the difference is the overall age of the team has reduced quite a bit, which gives you the impression that the team can kick on together.
With the inclusion of Sturridge too, the balance seems almost perfect for the first time since Kenny's initial few months this time round, which again gives you hope that there's more to come & a plan for the long term.
There's also signs of regression though, the lack of defensive strength has obvious excuses, but is still worrying.
Ross made a point about our core players perhaps not being strong enough, & I think there's an element of truth in there, and with that in mind I like the principle of having a manager in charge for a few seasons so we can have continuity.
To say there is no progression is nonsense. To say it's without its issues or the first time we've seen this is just as incorrect though.
all it showed is that we're as inconsistent as we've always been. beat west ham, but get spanked by villa. then go and thrash fulham but then lose to stoke. Two good games against arsenal and city and get beat by west brom. Its the same old liverpool.
There were many good team displays under kenny. Winning 2-0 at the emirates, doing the double over everton AND chelsea just to name a few on the top of my head.
I think Rodgers' ideas for how the defence should attack are fine. It's how they defend that is still a bit incoherent. If they defended like Carra defends and then bring the ball out like Johnson does it would be a welcome move towards clarity and simplicity, which any team needs. At the moment, for no real constructive reason, they're playing little training ground triangles around opponents on the edge of their own area - and quickly losing the ball. They're winning possession in the same area, playing sideways and backwards, then, after inviting opponents to move up, they pass it back to poor Reina, who has a couple of seconds to either belt the ball blindly upwards or send it straight back. Rodgers said at the start how the players should hate losing possession, well they should also hate wasting possession in their own area. As soon as that carelessness and profligacy is minimised the positive things being done further up ought to pay dividends.
I think thats the thing i cant stand the most, the passing triangles on the edge of our own area. I'll never like that. yeah keeping possession is good, but i don't agree with taking those risks as well. Evra said after we lost to them that they knew we were going to be passing around our own area so they targetted pressing us at those moments and it paid dividends.
Yes, exactly. When opponents played Rafa's teams (at their best) they knew the last third of the pitch was going to be a dispiritingly arid area. Now it more resembles a playground. We have to change that, and we can do so without any compromising of our attacking plans - in fact it will help them.
Barca does the same triangles, only they do it better. For me, I don't like when those passes between defenders are pointless and create unnecessary risk - and we've done a lot of that this season. But if you can do it well enough to build attacks consistently from the back, then I love it. The best teams (not only Barca, but many other top teams) do it so well that opponents will rarely try to press them in their own 3rd, because they are afraid to leave spaces that can be exploited.
So overall I think it's a question of balance. Not only passing the ball better and with less risk between defenders and goalkeeper but also punishing teams who try to press too eagerly. But I don't think hoofing the ball upfield is the answer. And Rafa's team had their share of problems building from the back, particularly if Alonso wasn't playing for some reason.
So overall I think it's a question of balance. Not only passing the ball better and with less risk between defenders and goalkeeper but also punishing teams who try to press too eagerly. But I don't think hoofing the ball upfield is the answer. And Rafa's team had their share of problems building from the back, particularly if Alonso wasn't playing for some reason.
Exactly its all about balance. Rodgers seems concerned so much about attack that he doesn't seem to be giving defending the same amount of attention. There's nothing wrong with keeping it tight and squeezing the play.
So we beat Utd playing dour football and lost playing great football. Sorry to point out the bleeding obvious but, well, you know....
Oh and we're still getting beat by shit teams.
Oh and we're still getting beat by shit teams.
I hate the passing it around needlessly at the back too. It should never involve our CB's in risky positions. Get it up - neatly - to the midfield and let them worry about it.
Enrique's the chief culprit at doing something stupid with the ball at the back.
Enrique's the chief culprit at doing something stupid with the ball at the back.
Rodgers will get more time. I don't see anyone arguing that. Especially as long as we are not in bottom half, out of the cups and there is a obvious altenrative. Neither do I think the owners are willing to scrap their idea about showing the world how a football club is to be runned just yet.
However selctively pick one or two games were we play well and use as proof for progress is a bit shallow. We were good, but the game came after back to back defeats, and mind you, if we had lost to Swansea that would probably have been the single weakest week in our club history.
We played some very good stuff under Rafa, we played some very good stuff under Kenny and we do play some very good stuff under Rodgers. That is not our big problem. Our problem is to match teams that doesnt suit our style 100%. It is to break down physical teams who dare to press us higher in the field than Swansea. It is to win mdifield battles. It is to pull out 3 dodgy points a monday night. and Rodgers has ot shown anything to say he knows how to fix this. So keep him to beat a weakend Swansea or dodgy Norwich comfortably as a long term future for our club? I would say no.
And for the Suarez show against the Mancs. That was a sublime team effort, with Luis being the icing of the cake. The passion and desire we havent seen against any rivals this season. It shook Sir Alex so much he started his own vendetta against Luis and Kenny. Today he doenst even lift an eyebrow when Liverpool is mentioned. It is not progress.
Does Rodger deserve more time? Sure why not. I don't think he has the capacity to take us any further than he already have. He has bought players for 30 mill pounds that is not even close to the first team, and he still haven't found out what he wants from his midfield. But as I don't believe our precious owners are willing or capable of financing a huge project involving a first class proven manager, I don't see a good alternative to Rodgers at the moment. That doesn't mean I don't demand much much more from him than he has shown so far. He has been poor in the transfer market in general, he has been tactical poor and he has struggled to have the team walk that extra mile for him. I expect more from the manager.
Modo we, as you rightly say, have not been a threat to the mancs for 20 years, with one exception.
Having said that I have no doubt that ferguson's one recurring nightmare is the re emergence of Liverpool as a realistic threat to him. As such he will lose no opportunity to do anything he can to stop that happening.
Of course he has nothing to worry about from us for now, and thats the way he wants to keep it.
Having said that I have no doubt that ferguson's one recurring nightmare is the re emergence of Liverpool as a realistic threat to him. As such he will lose no opportunity to do anything he can to stop that happening.
Of course he has nothing to worry about from us for now, and thats the way he wants to keep it.
You did say you didn't care if we sold him though.
I did. But it was never about his ability. And like I said earlier in the season, hes been pretty much an angel this year, the odd cheeky stamp aside.
Im glad we didnt sell him.
Always happy to see someone doing well for the club and proving doubters wrong.
I'm still not happy about the Evra business, but its water under the bridge now, hopefully he stays for a long time and wins lots of trophies.
Dont get me wrong, I dont mind Liam and Sean et al saying 'Sell him' every time he plays well, because it means hes played well.
I dont think id go down the opposite road if he underperformed though, id rather the team do well than score points.
Because he was shit?
No because he obviously isn't
His attitude was the problem and he cost Kenny his job.
I thought if a huge offer was coming from PSG, we should sell him
"We'd be better of without him, he's too greedy, we'd score more goals blah blah blah"
No he never, Kenny cost his job.
How did he cost Kenny his job?
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