Sack him

[ILD]

Okay.

• Constantly changing formations, from 3 at the back, to two strikers, to beating the broken 4231 to death. - Formations change depending on who we are playing, who's available and how the game itself is playing out in front of our eyes.
• Persisting with Downing much too often in his first season - Downing got a fair crack at the whip. New manager, clean slate. He later sold Downing.
• Constantly changing his back line without rhyme nor reason - Agree. I'd prefer a settled back four but we did have injuries and Rodgers struggled to decide who his best CB's were.
• 4 central defenders against Southampton - I didn't like the four central defenders against Southampton either but that was an one off.
• First season, not using his substitutions early/often enough - I thought he initially made decisions quickly and efficiently. I thought he was praised for his quick substitutions early on?
• Recently, subbing off some of our best performers(Lallana, Coutinho, etc) when we could use their creativity
• Benching Coutinho for lesser options after a bright performance - I don't agree with every substitution either. Coutinho has always struggled with his fitness levels though and his ability to play effectively for 90min
• Persisting with Gerrard at CDM - Agree, I don't overly like him in that role at the moment but we came 2nd with him in this role in the 2nd half of the season.
• Pushing Markovic out wide - A lot of new arrivals (especially young players) will be deployed out wide to allow them find their feet and adjust to life in the league. Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling etc all played out wide when they first arrived at the club. Lazar might be more suited to more a central role but at the moment Lallana / Coutinho can provide a better impact for us.
• Giving Glen Johnson so many matches - Agree, the less I see of Glen the better.
• Freezing out Agger - I liked Agger and I would have played him but as Ryan alluded to earlier, let's not pretend he froze out Bobby Moore.
• Poor transfer record - That has been done to death. It has been hit and miss so far.
• Playing Lucas as an advanced CM - I think it only happened once or twice. Was Allen injured at the time?
• Playing Balotelli lone Striker - Balotelli would not have been deployed as a lone striker if Sturridge was fit.
• Playing key players like Sterling for extended periods in meaningless cup matches against lower league opposition - I don't think anyone expected the Boro cup game to descend into a slobber knocker. Sterling was selected with the intention of coming off after an hour but the game nearly got away from us. We kept him on to try win the game.
• Abruptly changing our youth coaching setup - Can't comment. Can't remember the in's and outs.
• Refusing a DOF - Can't comment. Not sure if we would benefit from one or not. It isn't that common in England and I'm not well read on the subject. All I know is that Seville has a great DOF.
• Preaching Tiki-Taka while reaping the rewards of a counter attacking game. <--This one confuses me tremendously. - I think I've spoke about this already. Rodgers arrived with a death by football ethos. Last season we started playing blistering counter attacking football blowing teams away. We went with it and came within a whisker of winning the league. I won't knock him for that. We were winning matches
• Freezing out Suso despite his bright performances leading into the season - I wanted Suso to sign a contract and go back out on loan. We had Coutinho and Lallana who could play in his position. He got injured early into the season which was a pity.
• Sticking with Lovren despite his terrible form
• Only playing Sakho/Toure when he has no other option. Defensively, they're our two best CBs. - Yep, Lovren needs dropping. I'm surprised how poor he is playing for us. He is obviously a good player. I liked him last season and at the World Cup. The whole defense needs to be sorted and we all know that.

You took the effort to type that out so it deserves some feedback. My replies are in blue italics. If you are using tapatalk it's gonna look like one big block of text. Urghhh.

I think you're nitpicking to be honest and looking for things to beat Rodgers with. I agree with a good few but it's doesn't scream SACK THE MANAGER NOW.
Alarms bell are certainly going off though.

 

[Modo]

Haven't changed my mind.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Neither have I..

He is getting more like Hodgson with every match..

 

[mom]

Neither have I..

He is getting more like Hodgson with every match..

Apart from quoting Ryan from the other thread, care to make it more clear as to why he's getting so much like Hodgson now?

 

[Modo]

Apart from quoting Ryan from the other thread, care to make it more clear as to why he's getting so much like Hodgson now?

the comments.

 

[6TimesaRed]

the comments.

Yep the post match comments where embarrassing..

I see nothing to be proud of from that performance what-so-ever..

Like Ryan said in the other thread.. It's laughable to think us fans can actually take a performance like that as acceptable..

 

[mom]

Yep the post match comments where embarrassing..

I see nothing to be proud of from that performance what-so-ever..

Like Ryan said in the other thread.. It's laughable to think us fans can actually take a performance like that as acceptable..

So that's pretty much what Ryan said un the other thread, like I said. So, apart from that, how is he becoming more and more like Hodg with every game?

 

[Delinquent]

Yep the post match comments where embarrassing..

I see nothing to be proud of from that performance what-so-ever..

Like Ryan said in the other thread.. It's laughable to think us fans can actually take a performance like that as acceptable..

Rearrange this popular acronym:

YNWA

 

[Modo]

WAYN?

Why bring him into this?

 

[6TimesaRed]

So that's pretty much what Ryan said un the other thread, like I said. So, apart from that, how is he becoming more and more like Hodg with every game?

And I agree with it..

His tactics or lack of..

The unattractive predictable football..

The feeling and dread I felt when watching Liverpool during the Hodgson stint is well and truly back

His comments haven't been great for a few games.. But you can probably expect that given the pressure he is under..

We've lost 9 of our 19 competitive games this season...

It's shocking and embarrassing just like the Hodgson era..

 

[Red Mullet]

• Constantly changing formations, from 3 at the back, to two strikers, to beating the broken 4231 to death. - Formations change depending on who we are playing, who's available and how the game itself is playing out in front of our eyes.
• Persisting with Downing much too often in his first season - Downing got a fair crack at the whip. New manager, clean slate. He later sold Downing.
• Constantly changing his back line without rhyme nor reason - Agree. I'd prefer a settled back four but we did have injuries and Rodgers struggled to decide who his best CB's were.
• 4 central defenders against Southampton - I didn't like the four central defenders against Southampton either but that was an one off.
• First season, not using his substitutions early/often enough - I thought he initially made decisions quickly and efficiently. I thought he was praised for his quick substitutions early on?
• Recently, subbing off some of our best performers(Lallana, Coutinho, etc) when we could use their creativity
• Benching Coutinho for lesser options after a bright performance - I don't agree with every substitution either. Coutinho has always struggled with his fitness levels though and his ability to play effectively for 90min
• Persisting with Gerrard at CDM - Agree, I don't overly like him in that role at the moment but we came 2nd with him in this role in the 2nd half of the season.
• Pushing Markovic out wide - A lot of new arrivals (especially young players) will be deployed out wide to allow them find their feet and adjust to life in the league. Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling etc all played out wide when they first arrived at the club. Lazar might be more suited to more a central role but at the moment Lallana / Coutinho can provide a better impact for us.
• Giving Glen Johnson so many matches - Agree, the less I see of Glen the better.
• Freezing out Agger - I liked Agger and I would have played him but as Ryan alluded to earlier, let's not pretend he froze out Bobby Moore.
• Poor transfer record - That has been done to death. It has been hit and miss so far.
• Playing Lucas as an advanced CM - I think it only happened once or twice. Was Allen injured at the time?
• Playing Balotelli lone Striker - Balotelli would not have been deployed as a lone striker if Sturridge was fit.
• Playing key players like Sterling for extended periods in meaningless cup matches against lower league opposition - I don't think anyone expected the Boro cup game to descend into a slobber knocker. Sterling was selected with the intention of coming off after an hour but the game nearly got away from us. We kept him on to try win the game.
• Abruptly changing our youth coaching setup - Can't comment. Can't remember the in's and outs.
• Refusing a DOF - Can't comment. Not sure if we would benefit from one or not. It isn't that common in England and I'm not well read on the subject. All I know is that Seville has a great DOF.
• Preaching Tiki-Taka while reaping the rewards of a counter attacking game. <--This one confuses me tremendously. - I think I've spoke about this already. Rodgers arrived with a death by football ethos. Last season we started playing blistering counter attacking football blowing teams away. We went with it and came within a whisker of winning the league. I won't knock him for that. We were winning matches
• Freezing out Suso despite his bright performances leading into the season - I wanted Suso to sign a contract and go back out on loan. We had Coutinho and Lallana who could play in his position. He got injured early into the season which was a pity.
• Sticking with Lovren despite his terrible form
• Only playing Sakho/Toure when he has no other option. Defensively, they're our two best CBs. - Yep, Lovren needs dropping. I'm surprised how poor he is playing for us. He is obviously a good player. I liked him last season and at the World Cup. The whole defense needs to be sorted and we all know that.

You took the effort to type that out so it deserves some feedback. My replies are in blue italics. If you are using tapatalk it's gonna look like one big block of text. Urghhh.

I think you're nitpicking to be honest and looking for things to beat Rodgers with. I agree with a good few but it's doesn't scream SACK THE MANAGER NOW.
Alarms bell are certainly going off though.

Oi, I was meant to write that.

Oh well, @Whirly what ILD said.

 

[Whirly]

• Constantly changing formations, from 3 at the back, to two strikers, to beating the broken 4231 to death. - Formations change depending on who we are playing, who's available and how the game itself is playing out in front of our eyes. The issue is that BR would stick to dysfunctional formations, while also switching away from fairly successful set ups at times. Felt a bit like now where he's trying everything and hoping something works. This was especially visible when he swapped in Agger one match to face a physical striker, which when predictably poorly.
• Persisting with Downing much too often in his first season - Downing got a fair crack at the whip. New manager, clean slate. He later sold Downing. Downing got just about a whole season of poor/mediocre play, in a season where we had more dynamic options like Assaidi available. He started more matches than only Agger, Gerrard, Suarez, and Glen Johnson, which was far more than he deserved on the basis of his limited play.
• Constantly changing his back line without rhyme nor reason - Agree. I'd prefer a settled back four but we did have injuries and Rodgers struggled to decide who his best CB's were. His job is literally to figure this stuff out, and he still hasn't done so years down the road. Very telling for me.
• 4 central defenders against Southampton - I didn't like the four central defenders against Southampton either but that was an one off. Only because we got throttled on the balance of play. Premier league matches aren't the place to dry run your unconventional tactical theories.
• First season, not using his substitutions early/often enough - I thought he initially made decisions quickly and efficiently. I thought he was praised for his quick substitutions early on? In his very first few matches, he made just about no substitutions of significance if I remember correctly. I only remember substitutions of any significance in the second half, nothing praiseworthy though IMO.
• Recently, subbing off some of our best performers(Lallana, Coutinho, etc) when we could use their creativity
• Benching Coutinho for lesser options after a bright performance - I don't agree with every substitution either. Coutinho has always struggled with his fitness levels though and his ability to play effectively for 90min At a stage where we're starved for creativity, I don't see how the alternative is in any way better.
• Persisting with Gerrard at CDM - Agree, I don't overly like him in that role at the moment but we came 2nd with him in this role in the 2nd half of the season. I would argue we came in 2nd despite of him. The volume of times our midfield was overwhelmed against lower table sides only for us to edge a win was far too high to say otherwise.
• Pushing Markovic out wide - A lot of new arrivals (especially young players) will be deployed out wide to allow them find their feet and adjust to life in the league. Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling etc all played out wide when they first arrived at the club. Lazar might be more suited to more a central role but at the moment Lallana / Coutinho can provide a better impact for us. We aren't seeing either of those players regularly in the center either though. I'm not saying he should've started in the hole against Crystal Palace, but I think it's very obvious that the CAM role is the best position for Markovic. I think the system is the issue here, BR seems to be obsessed with trying to give us width, even though we're garbage in the wide areas.
• Giving Glen Johnson so many matches - Agree, the less I see of Glen the better.
• Freezing out Agger - I liked Agger and I would have played him but as Ryan alluded to earlier, let's not pretend he froze out Bobby Moore. I'm mainly not a fan of a manager freezing out players at all, it's just unnecessary politics.
• Poor transfer record - That has been done to death. It has been hit and miss so far. For the volume of money we spent, we probably couldn't have missed more often. That's the key here, most any manager would've done more with the resources.
• Playing Lucas as an advanced CM - I think it only happened once or twice. Was Allen injured at the time? We would've been better off doing literally anything else, which was painfully obvious. The fact it's happened again since then is a glaring negative.
• Playing Balotelli lone Striker - Balotelli would not have been deployed as a lone striker if Sturridge was fit. That doesn't excuse it though, it's a tactical blunder of arrogance.
• Playing key players like Sterling for extended periods in meaningless cup matches against lower league opposition - I don't think anyone expected the Boro cup game to descend into a slobber knocker. Sterling was selected with the intention of coming off after an hour but the game nearly got away from us. We kept him on to try win the game. Again, another tactical blunder. You can only get away with so many of these mistakes before compromising our long term goals.
• Abruptly changing our youth coaching setup - Can't comment. Can't remember the in's and outs. As I recall, status quo was good, and then needlessly meddled with.
• Refusing a DOF - Can't comment. Not sure if we would benefit from one or not. It isn't that common in England and I'm not well read on the subject. All I know is that Seville has a great DOF. Certainly couldn't hurt our transfer record.
• Preaching Tiki-Taka while reaping the rewards of a counter attacking game. <--This one confuses me tremendously. - I think I've spoke about this already. Rodgers arrived with a death by football ethos. Last season we started playing blistering counter attacking football blowing teams away. We went with it and came within a whisker of winning the league. I won't knock him for that. We were winning matches I almost get the feeling that the team did their own thing, and since it was working, BR didn't try to back them down. It's surprising though because the two styles are absolute polar opposites. And the fact a manager settled for the exact opposite style of what he preaches is definitely a worrying sign.
• Freezing out Suso despite his bright performances leading into the season - I wanted Suso to sign a contract and go back out on loan. We had Coutinho and Lallana who could play in his position. He got injured early into the season which was a pity. Agreed, but we've seen limited minutes from both Coutinho and Lallana in those roles with limited success.
• Sticking with Lovren despite his terrible form
• Only playing Sakho/Toure when he has no other option. Defensively, they're our two best CBs. - Yep, Lovren needs dropping. I'm surprised how poor he is playing for us. He is obviously a good player. I liked him last season and at the World Cup. The whole defense needs to be sorted and we all know that. Yup.

You took the effort to type that out so it deserves some feedback. My replies are in blue italics. If you are using tapatalk it's gonna look like one big block of text. Urghhh.

I think you're nitpicking to be honest and looking for things to beat Rodgers with. I agree with a good few but it's doesn't scream SACK THE MANAGER NOW.
Alarms bell are certainly going off though.

In red.

I never said sack or don't sack BR, but my point is that it's incredibly naive to blindly support him on the basis of last season. That's a list I churned out in about 10 minutes initially, and it's far too long, and far too valid at times to be ignored. When I compare that to the few tactical decisions that come to mind that BR has profited from, on the basis of the concerns above, they seem more fluke than genius,

 

[Red Mullet]

In red.

I never said sack or don't sack BR, but my point is that it's incredibly naive to blindly support him on the basis of last season. That's a list I churned out in about 10 minutes initially, and it's far too long, and far too valid at times to be ignored. When I compare that to the few tactical decisions that come to mind that BR has profited from, on the basis of the concerns above, they seem more fluke than genius,

I don't think anyone is blindly supporting him based on last season. It's a case of 1/3 of a season is too soon, and it's ridiculous to bring someone in as a temporary manager for the remaining 2/3 of the season. (Especially Rafa since it involves breaking his current contract and why would he accept a short term role?). The point I made was that you can't ignore last season and call it hilariously flawed by the same reason you can't ignore this season.

There's no need to repeat what everyone else has said - performances and results have not been good enough. Brendan needs to fix it and even if has admitted his job is on the line if the performances and results don't improve.

As for 'your' opinion, it's based on 'your' feelings. Stuff like 'I felt the team did its own thing' is pure conjecture and has no solid evidence to support it. For example, you have little information on why Rodgers played Agger the way he did. We aren't privy to the training, how he's adapting to the tactics discussed during the week or Aggers medical reports. So again more conjecture.

Some of your specifics can be taken either way and it's a case of what side you want to believe.

 

[Whirly]

I don't think anyone is blindly supporting him based on last season. It's a case of 1/3 of a season is too soon, and it's ridiculous to bring someone in as a temporary manager for the remaining 2/3 of the season. (Especially Rafa since it involves breaking his current contract and why would he accept a short term role?). The point I made was that you can't ignore last season and call it hilariously flawed by the same reason you can't ignore this season.

There's no need to repeat what everyone else has said - performances and results have not been good enough. Brendan needs to fix it and even if has admitted his job is on the line if the performances and results don't improve.

As for 'your' opinion, it's based on 'your' feelings. Stuff like 'I felt the team did its own thing' is pure conjecture and has no solid evidence to support it. For example, you have little information on why Rodgers played Agger the way he did. We aren't privy to the training, how he's adapting to the tactics discussed during the week or Aggers medical reports. So again more conjecture.

Some of your specifics can be taken either way and it's a case of what side you want to believe.

There are quite a few who are saying he deserves more time on the basis of last season's overall result. Within that result and in his overall tenure, I've pointed out several talking points which BR has either misamanaged or failed to address. I said it was hilariously flawed to give BR credit on the overall result of last season without considering all of the individual situations where he made incorrect decisions.

And again, I'm not advocating sacking BR or not sacking him, just pointing out that his decisionmaking has consistently been questionable. I don't like the short term options much.

I'm just having a dialogue with ILD, it's completely conjecture. No argument there, I'm not claiming it to be anything otherwise. But when you add up dozens of questionable squad decisions I find it hard to believe that there were hidden caveats every time which led to BR making a less than ideal decision. But that commentary is just me thinking out loud, not making an assertion one way or another.

You have to admit that it's a bit off that our manager is obsessed with talking up tiki taka play, and we play the exact opposite style. Or played, I guess. But it raises quite a few questions. Was the initial switch to counter attacking play introduced by BR, or just something the players started doing? Are our players being coached to retain possession or sit deep and hit fast? Are our players supposed to make adjustments on their own based on the pressure applied by the opposition?

And most importantly, which of the two styles are we trying to emulate now?

 

[Red Mullet]

There are quite a few who are saying he deserves more time on the basis of last season's overall result. Within that result and in his overall tenure, I've pointed out several talking points which BR has either misamanaged or failed to address. I said it was hilariously flawed to give BR credit on the overall result of last season without considering all of the individual situations where he made incorrect decisions.

And again, I'm not advocating sacking BR or not sacking him, just pointing out that his decisionmaking has consistently been questionable. I don't like the short term options much.

I'm just having a dialogue with ILD, it's completely conjecture. No argument there, I'm not claiming it to be anything otherwise. But when you add up dozens of questionable squad decisions I find it hard to believe that there were hidden caveats every time which led to BR making a less than ideal decision. But that commentary is just me thinking out loud, not making an assertion one way or another.

You have to admit that it's a bit off that our manager is obsessed with talking up tiki taka play, and we play the exact opposite style. Or played, I guess. But it raises quite a few questions. Was the initial switch to counter attacking play introduced by BR, or just something the players started doing? Are our players being coached to retain possession or sit deep and hit fast? Are our players supposed to make adjustments on their own based on the pressure applied by the opposition?

And most importantly, which of the two styles are we trying to emulate now?

I think that's the crux of our problem, we don't know what style we're playing.

Brendan has a philosophy for playing the game, it involves a work ethnic, a certain swagger than results in high rate of goals and wins and it comes from a tiki taka style or swift counter attacks with quick inter changing play. The team performed that last season, it's the exact opposite this season and a mixture in the first season. It really feels like, this season should have been Rodgers first, the first season his second and this season would where the team gets back into the CL (what a horrible sentence - hope it's understandable). There was an article (something like an Suarez extract) that suggested Rodgers planned the counter attacks (he said Suarez would love the way we're going to play). I believe that - so I don't think the team invented it and Rodgers went along with it. I do believe he had a string of good luck with having the right players to execute it. I also believe Rodgers was believing his own hype, and since things were going well, neglected to solve the defence problem. It's now coming to back to bite him because we've lost the players (either sold, injured or simply off form) so the style of play isn't being executed and the frailties are still there and, at times, worst.

Coupled with my greatest fear - that we turn into Spurs after selling our best player and bringing in too many to cope with the extra games.

 

[Judge Jules]

Haven't changed my mind.

You don't say.

 

[ILD]

In red.

I never said sack or don't sack BR, but my point is that it's incredibly naive to blindly support him on the basis of last season. That's a list I churned out in about 10 minutes initially, and it's far too long, and far too valid at times to be ignored. When I compare that to the few tactical decisions that come to mind that BR has profited from, on the basis of the concerns above, they seem more fluke than genius,

For the hundred time man, NO ONE IS BLINDLY SUPPORTING HIM ON THE BASIS OF LAST SEASON. I wrote that in caps to emphasize the point that we all think Rodgers is on very thin ice. I just wouldn't sack him right now.

That list you churned out has some merit to it but a lot of it is waffle. For example, knocking Rodgers for his use of Downing when 'dynamic options like Assaidi available'. Seriously? That is so minor. Who gives a fuck? Not playing one shit player over another shit player?

I'm on Rodgers / Owners case for these main reasons.
1. Not setting up our defense properly and conceding too many goals.
2. Gambling on the fitness of Sturridge.

They are the main two reason we are in our predicament. Our player's didn't become bad players over night. Confidence is at all time low. I'm worried, really worried. If he doesn't sort it soon his job is definitely under threat. It isn't under threat because he played Downing two years ago, took Coutinho off after 70mins or played Lazar out wide.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Give it a rest whirly. For the hundred time, NO ONE IS BLINDLY SUPPORTING HIM ON THE BASIS OF LAST SEASON. I wrote that in caps to emphasize the point that we all think Rodgers is on very thin ice. I just wouldn't sack right now.

That list you churned out has some merit to it but a lot of it is waffle. For example, knocking Rodgers for his use of Downing when 'dynamic options like Assaidi available'. Seriously? That is so minor. Who gives a fuck? Not playing one shit player over another shit player?

I'm on Rodgers / Owners case for these main reasons.
1. Not setting up our defense properly and conceding too many goals.
2. Gambling on the fitness of Sturridge.

They are the main two reason we are in our predicament. Our player's didn't become bad players over night. Confidence is at all time low. I'm worried, really worried. If he doesn't sort it soon his job is definitely under threat. It isn't under threat because he played Downing two years ago, took Coutinho off after 70mins or played Lazar out wide.

Coaching methods need to be addressed.. your right they didn't become bad players over night..

When you field a team containing very little of your new 'stellar signings' in a 'must win' game, it smacks of something seriously wrong at the coaching and managment level..

It is that reason why we are in the predicament we are in, and I have lost complete faith in him..

 

[ILD]

But it raises quite a few questions. Was the initial switch to counter attacking play introduced by BR, or just something the players started doing? Are our players being coached to retain possession or sit deep and hit fast? Are our players supposed to make adjustments on their own based on the pressure applied by the opposition?

We were blowing teams away in the first 20 mins. We played at a high intensity and teams couldn't cope with us. We rolled with it and the results continued. Did you watch that Arsenal ( 6-1) game for example and enjoy it or were you sat there thinking... "wait a minute, this isn't the style Rodgers said he liked, stop this immediately".

We played the best football in the league and we enjoyed it. I think it's a bit rich of you to look back at last season and use exciting attacking football as another stick to beat Rodgers with. Instead I'd be more concerned about the Norwich game for example. Here we got a glimpse into our vulnerability at the back.
How we are set up and our inability to defend as a unit is one of the big issue for me. I'm not sure Rodgers can address this and this is why I'm worried.

 

[ILD]

Coaching methods need to be addressed.. your right they didn't become bad players over night..

When you field a team containing very little of your new 'stellar signings' in a 'must win' game, it smacks of something seriously wrong at the coaching and managment level..

It is that reason why we are in the predicament we our in, and I have lost complete faith in him..

Yeah he went for a team he could trust. A steady team in the hope to win ugly. A team that would protect his shaky defense. We still made two mistakes to let them score. Once again not good enough.

 

[mom]

And I agree with it..

His tactics or lack of..

The unattractive predictable football..

The feeling and dread I felt when watching Liverpool during the Hodgson stint is well and truly back

His comments haven't been great for a few games.. But you can probably expect that given the pressure he is under..

We've lost 9 of our 19 competitive games this season...

It's shocking and embarrassing just like the Hodgson era..

His brand of football are nothing like those of Roy. The hodgson era was totally shit. You can hardly say that of NR after last season. The feeling of dread is what you get whenever a team plays as badly as this one. Doesn't slowly turn him into hodgson.
He's clueless at the moment, but he's hardly Roy.

 

[Le Chacal]

The yanks may well sack him if we dont go through in CL.
Its only about results, they sacked Woy, they wont hesitate one bit to do the same with Rodgers.

 

[Whirly]

For the hundred time man, NO ONE IS BLINDLY SUPPORTING HIM ON THE BASIS OF LAST SEASON. I wrote that in caps to emphasize the point that we all think Rodgers is on very thin ice. I just wouldn't sack him right now.

That list you churned out has some merit to it but a lot of it is waffle. For example, knocking Rodgers for his use of Downing when 'dynamic options like Assaidi available'. Seriously? That is so minor. Who gives a fuck? Not playing one shit player over another shit player?

I'm on Rodgers / Owners case for these main reasons.
1. Not setting up our defense properly and conceding too many goals.
2. Gambling on the fitness of Sturridge.

They are the main two reason we are in our predicament. Our player's didn't become bad players over night. Confidence is at all time low. I'm worried, really worried. If he doesn't sort it soon his job is definitely under threat. It isn't under threat because he played Downing two years ago, took Coutinho off after 70mins or played Lazar out wide.

I think there are a fair few on here. That's bit isn't directed at you, but there genuinely are folks using nothing but last season's placement as justification for keeping him. I wouldn't be making these points if that wasn't true after all.

All of these seemingly minor questions add up quickly though. Downing really offered nothing that season for us, and it was a lost season, so what was the point of persisting with him rather than giving others on the squad those opportunities? Assaidi in his cameos at least showed an ability to beat a man and get a cross in.

Rodgers job is in question because he's losing matches and dropping points. It may not be a direct result of those minor mistakes he's made, but the fact many of them could have been easily addressed and weren't bodes as a worrying sign for the coming weeks.

 

[Judge Jules]

I think there are a fair few on here. That's bit isn't directed at you, but there genuinely are folks using nothing but last season's placement as justification for keeping him. I wouldn't be making these points if that wasn't true after all.

All of these seemingly minor questions add up quickly though. Downing really offered nothing that season for us, and it was a lost season, so what was the point of persisting with him rather than giving others on the squad those opportunities? Assaidi in his cameos at least showed an ability to beat a man and get a cross in.

Rodgers job is in question because he's losing matches and dropping points. It may not be a direct result of those minor mistakes he's made, but the fact many of them could have been easily addressed and weren't bodes as a worrying sign for the coming weeks.

That highlighted bit is heavily oversimplified and downright misleading. What the majority of us *are* doing is saying that it's too soon to sack Rodgers and that last season's performance is part of the reason why. The rest are saying they want him out. As Dave says, there's not been one single poster simply saying we should keep him.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

I would be delighted to see Rogers go because I think he has the potential to be a very good manager.

He has hit a bump but if you replace him now after one half of a bad season who are you going to get who will guarantee more success?
How long will the settling in period be?

 

[Modo]

I bet you would. Like I wish Moyes would have been given another year.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

I bet you would. Like I wish Moyes would have been given another year.

Yeah pretty much.

 

[mark1975]

When was the last time Rodgers talked up Tika-taka?

He arguable adapted his thinking to our strengths last season. We won games early with high energy, quick passing and pressing, then utilised the counter attack, playing to the strengths of our attack.

So why accuse him of being stubborn over Tika-taka and then use an example of compromise/adaption as a stick to beat him with? More contradictory, meaningless points.

 

[6TimesaRed]

He has to go... It embarrassing watching us at the moment...

What the hell was that tonight?

The starting Eleven all wrong.. No creativity or Pace.. (except for sterling) Changes at half time proved that..

Lambert up top with Gerrard behind him... come the feck on..

DDay against UTD at the weekend, lose and he is gone.. surely?

 

[Leo]

He has to go... It embarrassing watching us at the moment...

What the hell was that tonight?

The starting Eleven all wrong.. No creativity or Pace.. (except for sterling) Changes at half time proved that..

Lambert up top with Gerrard behind him... come the feck on..

DDay against UTD at the weekend, lose and he is gone.. surely?

5 minutes to go in a must win match just after equalising.
Do you even watch the game you embarrassing twat.