Doing what he did at Chelsea with one of the best squads in world football with superb defenders who can actually defend shows fuck all when you compare it to the shit we have
Sack him
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They weren't doing that great despite all that.
Did we have one of the best squads in Europe in 2004?
I asked that a few pages back. I was sure Rafa took us from 2nd to outside the CL places.
Glad you agree.
Now, just make sure that's the last time I ever have to read another bullshit post from you suggesting Rafa be appointed manager.
Thanks.
This is Modo, he doesn't give a shit about the league, it's foreign players, European competition and anything that isn't British.
Does it matter?
Rafa had a bit of an awkward time at Chelsea so I think it's creditable that he was able to leave with a trophy to his name. I think any manager really deserves credit for winning something - you've still got to make it happen even if the chips are stacked in your favour.
That said, let's put Rafa's win with Chelsea into context - he took the CL holders past Sparta Prague, Steau Bucharest, Rubin Kazan, Basel and ultimately Benfica. Nice but nothing to crow about.
That said, let's put Rafa's win with Chelsea into context - he took the CL holders past Sparta Prague, Steau Bucharest, Rubin Kazan, Basel and ultimately Benfica. Nice but nothing to crow about.
Given that the talk is of sacking Rodgers because of our domestic performance.... Does anything else but that matter?
No because in the 3 or 4 seasons we had after that we did finish in the top 4. Yes Rafa fucked it up towards the end but did he ever have the same backing Rodgers had? Or Kenny?
Also, even though our season is in a downward spiral we finished the 04/05 season as CL champions, fifth and league cup finalists.
Remember how Rafa was forced to play a reserve side in the league cup against Spurs that season? I'm talking the likes of Welsh, Mellor, Pongolle, Raven and Whitbread. That was the state our squad was in and we still coped and it was his first season in England.
"Did he (Rafa) ever get the same backing Rodgers had"?
Modo, I know you like to live in your own little Modoworld, where the reality everyone else experiences is inconsequential - but yes.... Rafa had the backing.
By "forced" I presume you mean "chose".
We were fucking terrible in Rafa's first season - and his last, domestically.
Somebody once famously said "if you glorify the past, the future dries up".
If we enter this cycle of replacing a manager at the first sign of something not going well - then we may as well forget about ever challenging again.
Rodgers deserves a little more time to try to solve this mess. If he does indeed need replacing, then it's at the end of the season with a quality long term replacement - not some half-arsed temp replacement the will end up taking us longer to replace
You're ready to sacrifice this season for Rodgers, I'm not.
Rodgers has had plenty of chances this season to rectify his mistakes but it doesn't look like he's doing anything about it.
Yes we're missing Sturridge, but if we're still depending on one player we're back to square one. The whole point of this summer was building a stronger squad.
It looks grim to say the least.
He's being outwitted by championship level managers.
One thing Rafa showed in that first season was that he could improve the players we already had by playing the right tactics.
If half our squad was injured and we were just unlucky with the results I'd happily see Brendan stay on, but that's not what I'm seeing at the moment.
I see a team that looks disjointed, has no clue and no heart.
Regarding Lucas, I don't see him as our saviour but playing him would have been a sign that Brendan understood that something needed to be done about the midfield.
A friend at work asked me last Friday how we'd do against palace. I took a post it and wrote down Lucas starts = win.
Lucas doesn't start = loss.
Today I found that post it on my desk with a big red circle around "Lucas doesn't start".
In my opinion we're at a point where something needs to be done. I believed in Brendan about a month ago. I was referencing the Spurs game saying how we'll bounce back. I don't anymore.
Rodgers has had plenty of chances this season to rectify his mistakes but it doesn't look like he's doing anything about it.
Yes we're missing Sturridge, but if we're still depending on one player we're back to square one. The whole point of this summer was building a stronger squad.
It looks grim to say the least.
He's being outwitted by championship level managers.
One thing Rafa showed in that first season was that he could improve the players we already had by playing the right tactics.
If half our squad was injured and we were just unlucky with the results I'd happily see Brendan stay on, but that's not what I'm seeing at the moment.
I see a team that looks disjointed, has no clue and no heart.
Regarding Lucas, I don't see him as our saviour but playing him would have been a sign that Brendan understood that something needed to be done about the midfield.
A friend at work asked me last Friday how we'd do against palace. I took a post it and wrote down Lucas starts = win.
Lucas doesn't start = loss.
Today I found that post it on my desk with a big red circle around "Lucas doesn't start".
In my opinion we're at a point where something needs to be done. I believed in Brendan about a month ago. I was referencing the Spurs game saying how we'll bounce back. I don't anymore.
In the land of dumb ideas, this is the dumbest.
In one of these post it notes is a formation that will let us down.
If we went with Van Gaal and not Rodgers when we had the chance, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess!
Tony Barrett
Published at 12:01AM, November 25 2014
Brendan Rodgers will begin the process of guiding Liverpool out of their slump away to Ludogorets tomorrow in the knowledge that his position is not under immediate threat.
Although Fenway Sports Group (FSG), the club’s owner, is disappointed that Liverpool have dropped to 12th in the table after losing their past three Barclays Premier League matches, there is no appetite to make Rodgers pay the price with his job, despite speculation that FSG is considering alternatives.
Having signed a four-year contract as recently as May, on the back of Liverpool finishing second in the Premier League and securing a return to the Champions League after a five-year absence, Rodgers retains the backing of his employers.
Rodgers readily acknowledges the need for Liverpool’s results to improve, starting with tomorrow night’s Champions League group B tie against Ludogorets in Sofia, but although FSG agrees with that appraisal, it is putting the manager under no additional pressure and has given no indications that his job is on the line.
Critically, Rodgers held talks with Tom Werner, the chairman, before Liverpool’s defeat by Chelsea on November 8, during which he reiterated his long-term vision for the club to his chairman. During those discussions, Werner did not waver in his support for Rodgers and, despite the 3-1 defeat by Crystal Palace on Sunday, that position has not changed.
The overriding feeling within Liverpool’s hierarchy is that, regardless of present difficulties, Rodgers has more than enough credit in the bank after last season’s remarkable exploits to be given the opportunity to put right what is going wrong.
Liverpool’s main targets for this season — to reach the knockout stages of the Champions League and finish in the top four of the Premier League — remain achievable despite their worst start to a campaign since 1992-93 and Rodgers will be expected to lead a revival.
To that end, Rodgers can ill afford Liverpool to slip to a fifth successive defeat in all competitions against Ludogorets, because it could bring their Champions League participation to an abrupt end and increase the scrutiny that he is under. But he goes into that crucial game in the knowledge that, although external pressure is growing, this is not reflected in the corridors of power at Anfield.
Published at 12:01AM, November 25 2014
Brendan Rodgers will begin the process of guiding Liverpool out of their slump away to Ludogorets tomorrow in the knowledge that his position is not under immediate threat.
Although Fenway Sports Group (FSG), the club’s owner, is disappointed that Liverpool have dropped to 12th in the table after losing their past three Barclays Premier League matches, there is no appetite to make Rodgers pay the price with his job, despite speculation that FSG is considering alternatives.
Having signed a four-year contract as recently as May, on the back of Liverpool finishing second in the Premier League and securing a return to the Champions League after a five-year absence, Rodgers retains the backing of his employers.
Rodgers readily acknowledges the need for Liverpool’s results to improve, starting with tomorrow night’s Champions League group B tie against Ludogorets in Sofia, but although FSG agrees with that appraisal, it is putting the manager under no additional pressure and has given no indications that his job is on the line.
Critically, Rodgers held talks with Tom Werner, the chairman, before Liverpool’s defeat by Chelsea on November 8, during which he reiterated his long-term vision for the club to his chairman. During those discussions, Werner did not waver in his support for Rodgers and, despite the 3-1 defeat by Crystal Palace on Sunday, that position has not changed.
The overriding feeling within Liverpool’s hierarchy is that, regardless of present difficulties, Rodgers has more than enough credit in the bank after last season’s remarkable exploits to be given the opportunity to put right what is going wrong.
Liverpool’s main targets for this season — to reach the knockout stages of the Champions League and finish in the top four of the Premier League — remain achievable despite their worst start to a campaign since 1992-93 and Rodgers will be expected to lead a revival.
To that end, Rodgers can ill afford Liverpool to slip to a fifth successive defeat in all competitions against Ludogorets, because it could bring their Champions League participation to an abrupt end and increase the scrutiny that he is under. But he goes into that crucial game in the knowledge that, although external pressure is growing, this is not reflected in the corridors of power at Anfield.
Like you said, I'm not sure I believe what owners say, it's standard stuff, but he deserves time to put it right. Can't be arsed with bellends wanting to boot him already at the first sign of trouble. He's played a significant part in both the good and bad over the last two years, sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth.
Long-term I still think we'll be better off, but we have to pretty much write off this league campaign and hope with the right attackers next year we'll push on.
Long-term I still think we'll be better off, but we have to pretty much write off this league campaign and hope with the right attackers next year we'll push on.
Something else, he can't buy his way out of this one because of FFP? Say for example Henry and Werner wanted to back him to get out of this in January, they might not be able to due to FFP? Not that they probably would after he and the committee just spunked 100mill quid, but I can't see us getting hardly any cash. He's going to have to sort out what we've got.
We recouped alot of what we spent though, wasn't the net spend 20 odd million?
No, we'd be tearing up the league like the Mancs have been doing....
Oh.
Aye, it's a bit like the 4 points from relegation thing, when we're 5 points off 4th.
BR comes up with tactics like sticking X player wide left in the 2nd half. The player just stands there and wait looking bewildered. Sterling ended up there many times. 90% of the time we struggle to even compose any kind of cohesive moves past our half and he does that. He has to go.
That's the essence of your problem (and that of a number of other "fans" TBF) right there. Imagining one month is enough time even to form a view, let alone change it, is batsh!t crazy.
Bully for them, but that's Previous with a capital "P". We're not even out of November yet.
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