Sack him

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Bully for them, but that's Previous with a capital "P". We're not even out of November yet.

True, it's early yet. The evidence so far doesn't look great. They look to be getting better, and you can see what they're trying to achieve, and they are actually getting decent results.

We look lost, have to sign of where we're trying to get to, and we're losing a lot.

They look a lot more likely to finish a lot higher than us, based on the evidence so far. Which was kinda the point.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Aye, it's a bit like the 4 points from relegation thing, when we're 5 points off 4th.

I'd agree with what your saying, but our form suggests we are more likely to continue slipping than climb.. Before you know it, that 5 points will become 8 points and so on. We are a long way from regaining form to suggest otherwise. At the moment we look utterly clueless and the manager equally clueless in knowing what to do to resolve matters.

We have been extremely lucky that the rest of the premier has been shite this season any other season our position would be untenable..

14 points from 12 games is a complete joke..

 

[mark1975]

I'd agree with what your saying, but our form suggests we are more likely to continue slipping than climb.. Before you know it, that 5 points will become 8 points and so on. We are a long way from regaining form to suggest otherwise. At the moment we look utterly clueless and the manager equally clueless in knowing what to do to resolve matters.

We have been extremely lucky that the rest of the premier has been shite this season any other season our position would be untenable..

14 points from 12 games is a complete joke..

People know it's a joke, I really don't get why you think you're alone in knowing this, but the league is inconsistent and we're (luckily) not far off the pace either, should we get our shit together. You're acting like relegation is a foregone conclusion, it's not "realist", it's pathetic and really annoying.

 

[Judge Jules]

True, it's early yet. The evidence so far doesn't look great. They look to be getting better, and you can see what they're trying to achieve, and they are actually getting decent results.

We look lost, have to sign of where we're trying to get to, and we're losing a lot.

They look a lot more likely to finish a lot higher than us, based on the evidence so far. Which was kinda the point.

Well, it's a point for which I don't believe there's anything like adequate evidence yet. They're just coming off the back of one decent result, against a team which is also stuttering incidentally. While that's admittedly one more than we've had in the past few games, AFAIC it falls way short of justifying what you say about them in your first and last paragraphs. I'm no happier about our current situation than you are and Rodgers needs to arrest the decline pronto, but the time has simply not arrived, nor will it yet awhile, for such sweeping judgments IMHO.

 

[6TimesaRed]

People know it's a joke, I really don't get why you think you're alone in knowing this, but the league is inconsistent and we're (luckily) not far off the pace either, should we get our shit together. You're acting like relegation is a foregone conclusion, it's not "realist", it's pathetic and really annoying.

No I don't thing relegation in reality will happen.. I do think however we will be closer to that than the top 4 by the turn of the year..

We have no midfield, no attack, awful defence and signings failing to click and like I said a manager clueless in not knowing what to do to resolve it.. on top of that we are playing some of the worse football I have ever seen..

It's beyond grim..

I am really struggling to find any positives

 

[jason]

People know it's a joke, I really don't get why you think you're alone in knowing this, but the league is inconsistent and we're (luckily) not far off the pace either, should we get our shit together. You're acting like relegation is a foregone conclusion, it's not "realist", it's pathetic and really annoying.

Will you still be saying this if we are third from bottom? 3-4 matches off, I am not given to panic and am certainly not calling for his head. but FSG must be prepared for all eventualities. His lack off defensive nous is his most worrying flaw. His brilliant sense of Attack, his greatest asset. How long should he have to fix this?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

Imagine if we hadn't beaten QPR...

 

[6TimesaRed]

Will you still be saying this if we are third from bottom? 3-4 matches off, I am not given to panic and am certainly not calling for his head. but FSG must be prepared for all eventualities. His lack off defensive nous is his most worrying flaw. His brilliant sense of Attack, his greatest asset. How long should he have to fix this?

Excellent post.. clarity at last..

 

[6TimesaRed]

Imagine if we hadn't beaten QPR...

We only just managed that too..

 

[the count]

Imagine if we hadn't beaten QPR...

Imagine if Jagialka hadn't scored that screamer
🙄

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

No, we'd be tearing up the league like the Mancs have been doing....

Oh.

Hah, I remember you've been a detractor of Van Gaal since the days of me Championing him to take over from Rafa.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Imagine if Jagialka hadn't scored that screamer
🙄

As much as that was a great freak goal..
He should never been allowed to get in that position to score anyway..

We didnt really create enough chances to put them out of sight..

 

[StevieM]

You're ready to sacrifice this season for Rodgers, I'm not.
Rodgers has had plenty of chances this season to rectify his mistakes but it doesn't look like he's doing anything about it.
Yes we're missing Sturridge, but if we're still depending on one player we're back to square one. The whole point of this summer was building a stronger squad.
It looks grim to say the least.
He's being outwitted by championship level managers.
One thing Rafa showed in that first season was that he could improve the players we already had by playing the right tactics.

If half our squad was injured and we were just unlucky with the results I'd happily see Brendan stay on, but that's not what I'm seeing at the moment.
I see a team that looks disjointed, has no clue and no heart.

Regarding Lucas, I don't see him as our saviour but playing him would have been a sign that Brendan understood that something needed to be done about the midfield.
A friend at work asked me last Friday how we'd do against palace. I took a post it and wrote down Lucas starts = win.
Lucas doesn't start = loss.
Today I found that post it on my desk with a big red circle around "Lucas doesn't start".

In my opinion we're at a point where something needs to be done. I believed in Brendan about a month ago. I was referencing the Spurs game saying how we'll bounce back. I don't anymore.

That's selective bullshit at best.

We've won as much as we've lost with Lucas starting this season.

We're not reliant on one player - we're reliant on several players - Balotelli, Coutinho, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling - they aren't delivering.

Don't re-write Rafa's first season as some sort if glorious revolution - he took a team that finished 4th, added to them, and finished 5th.

Rafa's success in the CL was not down to tactical genius & making players play better - you know this - it's well documented.

And another very important fact - this season isn't a right off - we won't win the league - but that's all we're out of right now - frustrating - but not the end.

Half our squad has been injured - Johnson, Cann, Lallanna, Sturridge, Henderson, Ballotelli, Allen, Sakho.....

As judge Jules stated - you sell yourself down the river by believing in Rodgers one month ago.... But now....

You're wrong.

Again.

That is all.

 

[gkmacca]

Rafa's success in the CL was not down to tactical genius & making players play better - you know this - it's well documented.

I'd quibble with this particular point. The final aside, I found his performance as a coach and manager in the earlier rounds astoundingly impressive - one of the great managerial achievements of recent years. He was virtually conducting his players at times against some powerful teams. The final was much more contentious, but, like or dislike the man, I'd say he deserves praise for this.

 

[Modo]

That's selective bullshit at best.

We've won as much as we've lost with Lucas starting this season.

We're not reliant on one player - we're reliant on several players - Balotelli, Coutinho, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling - they aren't delivering.

Don't re-write Rafa's first season as some sort if glorious revolution - he took a team that finished 4th, added to them, and finished 5th.

Rafa's success in the CL was not down to tactical genius & making players play better - you know this - it's well documented.

And another very important fact - this season isn't a right off - we won't win the league - but that's all we're out of right now - frustrating - but not the end.

Half our squad has been injured - Johnson, Cann, Lallanna, Sturridge, Henderson, Ballotelli, Allen, Sakho.....

As judge Jules stated - you sell yourself down the river by believing in Rodgers one month ago.... But now....

You're wrong.

Again.

That is all.

Wow...that was terrible.

Don't re-write Rafa's first season as some sort if glorious revolution - he took a team that finished 4th, added to them, and finished 5th.

You forgot a few things.

Rafa's success in the CL was not down to tactical genius & making players play better - you know this - it's well documented.

What was it, luck?

Half our squad has been injured - Johnson, Cann, Lallanna, Sturridge, Henderson, Ballotelli, Allen, Sakho.....

At the same time? Wow a lot of important players in that list.

 

[Modo]

I'd quibble with this particular point. The final aside, I found his performance as a coach and manager in the earlier rounds astoundingly impressive - one of the great managerial achievements of recent years. He was virtually conducting his players at times against some powerful teams. The final was much more contentious, but, like or dislike the man, I'd say he deserves praise for this.

Agreed, didn't take his post seriously after reading that comment.

 

[Delinquent]

BR comes up with tactics like sticking X player wide left in the 2nd half. The player just stands there and wait looking bewildered. Sterling ended up there many times. 90% of the time we struggle to even compose any kind of cohesive moves past our half and he does that. He has to go.

Jono "liked" this post, presumably because it supports his moronic agenda. Never mind the fact that it's utter gibberish. Still, I guess it's nice to have some support, eh Jono?

So far, the "Rodgers out" brigade appears to consist of Jono, Modo, KopRed and IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts. I can't figure out whether Modo is genuine, or whether he's just participating for sport. Whatever the case, if you find yourself in a backslapping quartet with three drooling idiots, I think it may be time to take stock.

 

[redhorizon2]

He's got til Christmas to sort it out or he is gone.. If the team fails the manager has to take responsibility

His team, his signings, his tactics, his players

His saving grace is we are still only 4 points off 4th place, so he still can turn this around.. I hope he can.. but I don't think he will

I think we need a poll with this thread. Just to see where 6cm members stand.

 

[StevieM]

I'd quibble with this particular point. The final aside, I found his performance as a coach and manager in the earlier rounds astoundingly impressive - one of the great managerial achievements of recent years. He was virtually conducting his players at times against some powerful teams. The final was much more contentious, but, like or dislike the man, I'd say he deserves praise for this.

Fair enough - I meant the final - I didn't make that clear.

 

[StevieM]

Agreed, didn't take his post seriously after reading that comment.

Of course you wouldn't.

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

Jono "liked" this post, presumably because it supports his moronic agenda. Never mind the fact that it's utter gibberish. Still, I guess it's nice to have some support, eh Jono?

So far, the "Rodgers out" brigade appears to consist of Jono, Modo, KopRed and .IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts I can't figure out whether Modo is genuine, or whether he's just participating for sport. Whatever the case, if you find yourself in a backslapping quartet with three drooling idiots, I think it may be time to take stock.

I'm not Rodgers out.
At the very least he should see out this season. He needs to be given a chance to sort out this mess.

 

[StevieM]

Wow...that was terrible.

You forgot a few things.

No - I didn't. You have.

You're making an argument for bringing in a manager to improve domestic performance based on non-domestic performance.

What was it, luck?

The final - yep - it was. We should have lost. It wasn't tactical genius that won that final.

At the same time? Wow a lot of important players in that list.

You're the one saying if half our team were injured you'd see the point in backing Rodgers.

We're a quarter of the way in and we've had our team significantly affected by injury.

If you don't think injuries have impacted us this season - you're wrong.

 

[HC]

Where was this Rafa love when he had us playing turgid football before getting the boot?

Where was it when he hounded out Alonso ?

I would suggest his flaws are as strong as Rodgers are.

Give the man time to come good, there's too many unanswered questions in football as patience is too thin and time too little.

I would not Give a flying Fuck if he signed a worldie forward and we won every game 7-4 from Jan onwards . There's nothing to say that'll happen but I'd be prepared to take the chance that our fortunes will improve once again under Rodgers leadership

I always think when managers like moyes and brendan take that step up they should really be given time to make mistakes and fix them again. Very rarely is a season long enough to fix a problem of the magnitude that either has faced in football.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I'm not Rodgers out.
At the very least he should see out this season. He needs to be given a chance to sort out this mess.

I think giving him the season to 'sort out the mess' is laughable imho.. to the turn of the year yes, beyond that absoloute NO..

Failure to qualify for the Champions League this season will set us back years, even more so with the increased revenue next season, with that in mind and the seek of investment for the expansion of Anfield, the owners will take action sooner rather than later.. Action needs to be taken quickly to rectify this, if Rodgers cannot sort this mess out..

But yeh Lets give him some more money in January to buy even more dross, and more time to sort out a defence he has never had a first clue about sorting out in the first place..

 

[davud graham]

The right tactics certainly help but so does preparation, motivation, team selection and leadership. It doesn't look we prepare for the games very well at the moment as the team doesn't look fit enough and continually get pushed around by teams both at home and abroad. I don't see what the tactical plan is in most of our games recently and the players don't seem to know either or they haven't been instructed well enough to understand them. Strangely enough the only game recently where the plan was obvious and the players did seem to understand was away to Real Madrid where there was a discernible shape and structure to the team. It didn't make enough of a difference though as their players were and are far superior to ours. Plenty of other teams don't have better players.
When it comes to motivating the players this is probably the biggest concern i have at the moment. The players don't fight for the ball enough and give up far too easily. Most of the Liverpool teams I grew up watching from the Kop and on the television would be all over opposition teams when we were getting beat but this season the players almost seem to accept defeat.
When the opposition score the players look scared to try anything rather than determined to rectify what had just happened (QPR aside but that game was utter madness from both teams). How many times have players stopped still when they lose possession (Johnson and Balotelli often and Gerrard sometimes as well) and let other players assume responsibility? Then you get the likes of Lovren and Skrtel making rash decisions and diving into challenges which either get them yellow carded or leave themselves horribly out of position.
Team selection has been covered by numerous posters but still seems to baffle most of us when it comes to players being selected who are either clearly fatigued or totally out of form.
The leadership is also a big problem both on and off the pitch. Gerrard has been great for us over the years but he's mostly been a leader in terms of the inspirational things he's done individually on the pitch not by being organizationally good or making sure that other players stick to their roles within the team or are in the right position. Also when there are contentious decisions or some sort of fracas on the pitch he's nowhere to be found. We really miss Carragher when it come to stuff like that. Not so much Suarez a s he was usually the cause of the fracas. Off the pitch whenever the camera has been on Rodgers this season he looks lost and scared of what might happen next. Surely the players are picking up on this and i'd rather he was shouting instructions or motivation to the team than just standing there doing nothing. Whether you like it or not the perception that you know what your'e doing helps when you're in a position of influence.

 

[6TimesaRed]

From the guy who rudely and inappropriately started the "Hodgson Out" thread, before he even was appointed, all I can say is please either change the title of this thread, or lock it.

it's new depths for us to be talkign this way.

It's a Spurs/Newcastle forum type direction

I wasn't wrong though was I ?? .... within weeks the whole site wanted him out..

 

[KopRed]

Jono "liked" this post, presumably because it supports his moronic agenda. Never mind the fact that it's utter gibberish. Still, I guess it's nice to have some support, eh Jono?

So far, the "Rodgers out" brigade appears to consist of Jono, Modo, KopRed and IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts. I can't figure out whether Modo is genuine, or whether he's just participating for sport. Whatever the case, if you find yourself in a backslapping quartet with three drooling idiots, I think it may be time to take stock.

I'm not sure what you are on but I have searched through the past 3 pages finding no opinions from you but an attack on posters who have put forth their's.

 

[refugee]

Strangely enough the only game recently where the plan was obvious and the players did seem to understand was away to Real Madrid where there was a discernible shape and structure to the team.

I think people overstate the performance during that match. Real didn't hit top gear as they were playing a reserve team and they knew they didn't have to.

 

[KopRed]

I think people overstate the performance during that match. Real didn't hit top gear as they were playing a reserve team and they knew they didn't have to.

I have never seen the usually grumpy C.Ronaldo smiled so much other than in the 2 matches against us. That after Arbeloa and Ronaldo himself bigging up the Anfield "fortress" on Championships league night. It was just embarassing.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I'm not sure what you are on but I have searched through the past 3 pages finding no opinions from you but an attack on posters who have put forth their's.

It seems if you speak out on here it is then quashed by the minority..

I wouldn't mind but I beleive what I'm taking about makes perfect sense, in terms of the club moving forwards if all continues to look grim..