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I suspect Rodgers personal life (whatever the truth may be, we know for a fact he's been through a messy separation & rumours suggest a lot more to that) has distracted him & perhaps impaired his judgement too.

You'd hope this shite will focus him enough to be able to fix it.
 
I suspect Rodgers personal life (whatever the truth may be, we know for a fact he's been through a messy separation & rumours suggest a lot more to that) has distracted him & perhaps impaired his judgement too.

You'd hope this shite will focus him enough to be able to fix it.


He might have all the time he needs to fix it if things continue as they are!
 
It's only 12 games in and we're not THAT bad a position to be in......yet.

The scums, chavs and arse have all made terrible starts to their seasons many times in the past and eventually they still finish in the top 4, if not the top half of the table. So it's been proven before that while form is temporary, class is permanent.

We still have Studge to come back from injury plus the hope that Mario and Studge will hit off as a pair.

It's still premature to not give Brodge the benefit of the doubt.

I say - give him until the end of the season. He deserves it, after last season's exploits.

And I'm not saying this purely on sentiment but on the evidence that he's proven himself to be doing mostly good in his first 2 seasons, than not.
 
The issue for me with BR is that I've never been convinced by his tactics.

He preaches us playing tiki taka, but we end up counter attacking in most fixtures. His substitutions and team selections consistently make little sense, and he often persists with payers who are dramatically underperforming.

And we've also seen he's into the politics of the game, by freezing out certain players, taking over the academy set up, and refusing a dof.

Our first season under BR left a lot of the questions we have at this stage, and last season's success wasn't on the basis of a tactical masterclass. I don't know if I can ever say I have been truly won over by him just on the basis of his inconsistent approach to setting up the side.
 
Says the poster who wants Rafa back, Rafa who had six years at the job and squandered loads of money too. We got rid of him because he couldn't make a credible impact on the league, not consistently, now you want to go back to where we were 5 years ago., because the current manager has had less than half that time to get it right.
Worked for Chelsea.
I've said it before, I'd definitely trade the league title for another 5 years competing with the best in the world with Rafa.
 
I have a good few problems with Rodgers. I've never posted my admiration for him. I was always a bit confused by him. I don't dislike him in any way but I can't figure him out.

He first arrived and talked a big game. Some of his expressions and idioms left me scratching my head. Was he a footballing visionary or a poor man's David Brent ? I suppose the truth was somewhere in the middle as per usual.
He introduced his vision of 'death by football'. A footballing process where we would pass our opponents to death. We didn't see too many murders on the pitch but our team looked to have potential and I bought into his vision.

Last season bought him time and rightly so. He got us within a game of winning the league playing some blistering football. His death by football ethos was tweaked as we became a pulsating counter attacking team. I ignored this slight change in playing style, who cared, after all, we were winning games. He was showing us he could adapt our team / players to suit what was happening in front of his eyes. Rodgers switched formations mid game, made early subs and we sang his name on the Kop. He even ripped off Shanks' celebration.

Our defense was all over the place last season. A plethora of CB combinations were introduced to us each week and the full backs rotated to accommodate who ever was fit. Sadly, our defense is still all over the place but we've lost our attacking verve. We are in trouble. If you aren't scoring yet conceding at will then something has to be done. Has Rodgers been found out or is the once quick acting manager just in a rut. Alarm bells are ringing around my head right now. Can Rodgers turn it around? I'm not sure but I think we need to give him more time. I don't think sacking him in November will help.

Rodgers strikes me as a man who craves power (just like Rafa did). Brendan didn't want a DOF (fair enough), he doesn't have a defensive coach but maybe the club need to insist on him having one. I don't have confidence in Brendan sorting our the defense. Lovren needs a severe kick up the arse. He came in all guns blazing to whip our defense into shape. He gave up trying to lead us to clean sheets after the first game of the season. He attacks the ball on the front foot with an arrogance and a disregard to his defensive duties. He chases the ball wanting to win it but gets put on his arse time and time again. I'm shocked with how easy it is for attackers to turn him in one on one situations. Rodgers seems content to persevere with Glen. Some will tell you that Johnson is the least of our worries but he still needs to be addressed. He simply does not seem to care. I noticed once or twice where he just stopped playing. He stood there motionless with the game going on around him. It reminded me of my batteries dying in my xbox controller mid game of fifa. Or when you'd accidentally switch defender and all of a sudden he'd stop playing. Frustrating. A lot of our attacks break down on his side too. Watching the ball bounce over his head a few games back was my final straw.

I placed my faith in the return of Sturridge. I convinced myself that he was the catalyst to turn it all around. I was fooling myself. Of course he would help but we have many other fundamental flaws at the moment. We are a shell of a team without Suarez dragging us through little rough patches. Our team spirit is gone, huddles have been replaced with glaring stares. Our confidence is rock bottom at the mo. I like the idea of the team meeting that Rurik suggested. Please do something to bond and unite the team and get them to play for each other. Christ, we have no back bone at the moment. It's pathetic. I just want to play a recognised DM who will track runners from midfield and replace Mingolet asap.

Our transfers are taking a kicking which is expected. It's a tough situation for the likes of Markovic, Moreno Can etc. They have no time to find their feet and build some steady form. Immediate results and performances are demanded and we seem to spiraling out of control. I'm dreading the Ludo game. Rodgers has no clue at the moment as what to do with the team. I'm definitely worried about him but I'm not ready to call for his head yet.
 
I see it as five years of being regarded as one of the best teams in Europe.
Compared to five years we had after he left it's a nobrainer

I liked Rafa but didn't he leave us outside of the CL places when he left us??
I honestly can't remember.
 
The problem with lots of coaches is that they can very easily encourage, unwittingly, a kind of robotic style of play. Hodgson obviously does so, but one could actually say the same of Rodgers. Take the passing around at the back: as soon as the thought and awareness goes out of the move, it becomes this weird, neurotic little ritual that has little real bearing on what is happening on the pitch. They're not doing anything except 'the move,' because it's 'what we do'. They don't look up at the midfielders, they don't look at the opponents, they just DO it. It's almost as habitual further up the pitch. Shankly's training mantra was 'forwards, back, forwards'. It was a thoughtful, cumulative pattern of play that demanded good movement and good vision and quick wits. Brendan's team seems to be a case of 'forward, back, back a bit more, back a bit more...' Even last season they were regularly abandoning an attack midway into their opponents' half, suddenly passing all the way back to Mingolet, because of nothing more problematic than one forward straying out of a good passing area. Why go all the way back in that situation? It's not impossible to move the ball around in midfield until another space opens up. It breeds fearfulness from a position of strength. This season we're moving forwards with all the anxiety of a bird hopping towards a cat. And although we're still passing, it's largely aimless. It's slow, it's predictable and it's prompted more by habit than by of-the-moment opportunity. Palace, in their crude way, showed how easy it ought to be: you have the ball, you move it ahead quickly, get players into the area and try to stick it in the fecking net. In contrast, we managed to make attacking look like the most improbable exercise around. The side look slow in the head as well as in the legs. It's baffling how poor they've become, but Rodgers needs to shake it up and get them to THINK again.
 
Any chance we can change the title of this thread. Makes me want to keep posting this video below.

Look the man has a mess on his hands, and it's because the defensive side has not improved, and we've no goal scorers. It's that simple. Everything else is negative momentum stemming from those things, as many have said. But after last season, we shouldn't be talking like this. He serves patience, time, and indulgence. he worked miracles last season. Let him fix it.

We don't want Roffa back, and I was one of his disciples.

Until this title changes, I'll post this occasionally.


 
Win percentage, trophies won, ability to cope under pressure ref: job at Chelsea, currently 3rd in Serie A, stuff like that. Although I think and hope that BR will get more time as I said in my post.
His record in the league in England is rubbish considering the players at his disposal and the money he spent.
Yes he won trophies but his league form was never that impressive and the one time we were primed to possibly win it under him we blew it.
3rd in Italia is hardly an achievement at this stage of the season and that league has been on the decline for yonks.
Rafa would be way way down on my list of choices if Rodgers was replaced with getting 4th this season in mind
 
His record in the league in England is rubbish considering the players at his disposal and the money he spent.
Yes he won trophies but his league form was never that impressive and the one time we were primed to possibly win it under him we blew it.
3rd in Italia is hardly an achievement at this stage of the season and that league has been on the decline for yonks.
Rafa would be way way down on my list of choices if Rodgers was replaced with getting 4th this season in mind


Well that's all opinion and that's cool but you asked for evidence, his win percentage and trophies are facts as are his past and current performance with other clubs. If you were assessing risk he'd be a candidate. Personally I think it's too early for BR to be replaced as I said before.
 
Yes we'd be in a transitional phase if we got De Boer or Klopp or someone else who's new to it.
As you already know I'm in the Rafa camp. He's done it before.


By "done it before".... do you mean take us from finishing second in the league and being in the champions league to not qualifying for Europe.

Because, you're right.... That's exactly where he took us.
 
I see it as five years of being regarded as one of the best teams in Europe.
Compared to the five years we had after he left, it's a nobrainer

Dude - we were outside the top 4, had alienated Torres (& possibly Gerrard) and was struggling to figure anything out ... He needed out as much as we did ... Look at hte defense he's built at Lazio ... I know you have a thing for Montse, but come on man ... Why not just get Keane? At least we'll enjoy the long trip of the short plank.
 
By "done it before".... do you mean take us from finishing second in the league and being in the champions league to not qualifying for Europe.

Because, you're right.... That's exactly where he took us.
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