Didn't the same thing happen at Inter though?
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Didn't the same thing happen at Inter though?
That makes sense though - if you were dumb enough to think us finishing second was a great reflection on Rodgers rather than an awesome purple patch by Suarez and a relatively healthy Sturridge then you'd have to think he's doing something wrong this season.
The reality is the only tangible thing you can judge a manager on is their transfers, and Rodgers are horrible. As a club for the past decade we must have squandered about 300m on complete and utter shite.
Instead of buying what we thought was the best part of the Southampton team for 50 odd million we should have just given the fella that runs their transfer business a million a year to work for us.
Or I'll do it for half that.
BR replaced Reina with Mignolet and Agger with Louvren spending £29m in the process. Then decided he was the man to get the best out of an over-rated, lazy, ineffectual striker who is completely unsuited to how we play. Our defending has been ghastly since he arrived and has never looked like improving. All very worrying.
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Is Rodgers solely responsible for the transfers though?
While he has the final say there is a "committee" and often there seems to be a clear difference between a Rodgers and a committee style signing. I am not disagreeing that they have been largely poor though.
And then there is our network of scouts who seem to be very hit and miss too, with a lot more misses unfortunately.
Is Rodgers solely responsible for the transfers though?
While he has the final say there is a "committee" and often there seems to be a clear difference between a Rodgers and a committee style signing. I am not disagreeing that they have been largely poor though.
And then there is our network of scouts who seem to be very hit and miss too, with a lot more misses unfortunately.
Who is on the committee?
As always it just strikes me that we're incredibly lazy with how we go about it.
Well, I remain frustrated at the way he used Reina as some kind of test case of his authority. He made Reina get fitter and booted him up the backside - good - but after that it was as if he wasn't going to keep him no matter how much harder Reina worked. There was such an impatient drive to bomb him out, before getting a tried and tested replacement, that he's brought that problem on himself. But we shouldn't forget he did very well indeed in persuading Suarez to stay another year (Rafa, for example, would have struggled as a man manager to do that), and shine throughout last season. As for Mario, I don't think Rodgers got him because he thought he was the man to get the best out of him. I think he got him because it was Mario or no one at a time when we desperately needed another forward. If it was indeed a case of him saying yes or no, I still think he was right to say yes. It was a gamble that failed. So it's not all black and white about Rodgers. But the issue about defending is, as you say, inexcusable.
I would like a system where we have a certain style we want to play. We hire managers that are suited to that playing style.
But the managers don't pick the players we buy.
The DoF and co sign the players with the immediate goal of improving the first 11 and not getting too far ahead of ourselves by spending money on players for future seasons .
But the managers don't pick the players we buy.
The DoF and co sign the players with the immediate goal of improving the first 11 and not getting too far ahead of ourselves by spending money on players for future seasons .
Werner on Dalglish, privately to Comolli, three months before he was sacked:
Werner on Dalglish two months before he was sacked:
Once you get into that sort of nonsense your comments don't deserve to be trusted at all. Werner may as well shut up.
I'm not giving Rodgers a free ride on his bollocks transfers, but the following seem to be facts:
He wanted to keep Suarez
He did not want Balotelli
He did want Remy
He did want Falcao
He did want Mkhitaryan
He did want Willian
So in a way, he's probably getting fucked on some transfers. But some of the ones he did want aren't working out too.
I don't want it to be that we are a one man band and carried by Suarez last season, but it's becoming more and more apparent that we were. If we were such a great overall 'team' last year then we wouldn't fall apart when just one player leaves, and another gets injured.
It's not that we were a one man band. We had the best strikeforce in Europe. Now that's not there and the replacements are shit.
I blame Rodgers for that. But blaming him and sacking him are two different things. Last season we were fucking brilliant... and although it's down to him that we've fallen apart I reckon this is part of the learning experience of any ego driven nutcase who run football teams well in the long term. I doubt he'll be given the chance to fix it but I think he should be.*
*unless he really has been fucking the chairman's daughter. If you do that you're doomed.
I blame Rodgers for that. But blaming him and sacking him are two different things. Last season we were fucking brilliant... and although it's down to him that we've fallen apart I reckon this is part of the learning experience of any ego driven nutcase who run football teams well in the long term. I doubt he'll be given the chance to fix it but I think he should be.*
*unless he really has been fucking the chairman's daughter. If you do that you're doomed.
In short: This season is already fucked. Rodgers is a very good manager who seems to have got carried away and made a load of mistakes. If we sack him he'll take this experience and thrive in his next job somewhere else, we get straight back into unknown terrirtory and start from scratch. We may as well back him to fix it.
Im with Woland on this.
He has made mistakes, and on the plus side he will be forced to make some imokrtant calls because of this, that will set us up the right way.
I say it will, because to me he has already proven what he can do when he gets it right. The fact that he has done it at two different clubs makes me want to think he did not fluke it.
He has made mistakes, and on the plus side he will be forced to make some imokrtant calls because of this, that will set us up the right way.
I say it will, because to me he has already proven what he can do when he gets it right. The fact that he has done it at two different clubs makes me want to think he did not fluke it.
I heard he was shagging around but Chairman's daughter? Any truth in it?
Blaiming Rodgers for every transfer is lazy. Saying we only finished 2nd beacuse of Suarez is lazy.
But, Rodgers is responsible for the tactics we deploy and what players he selects.
Not one player is up for a fight, we've made 17 personal mistakes this season more than any other side in the top 5 leagues and we continue to be dominated and tactically outwitted by just about everyone. 3 years down the line and our defence is still shite.
Thats on Rodgers.
I'm not sure where we go from here. The season is probably fucked already bar the cup competitions, we wont finish 4th and we've pissed away a great deal of money.
Glad I'm not making the decisions tbh, its a tough one.
He deserves more time but when is enough enough? As I said yesterday, what could save him is that no top manager will go mid season.
Simeone, De Boer or Klopp.
But, Rodgers is responsible for the tactics we deploy and what players he selects.
Not one player is up for a fight, we've made 17 personal mistakes this season more than any other side in the top 5 leagues and we continue to be dominated and tactically outwitted by just about everyone. 3 years down the line and our defence is still shite.
Thats on Rodgers.
I'm not sure where we go from here. The season is probably fucked already bar the cup competitions, we wont finish 4th and we've pissed away a great deal of money.
Glad I'm not making the decisions tbh, its a tough one.
He deserves more time but when is enough enough? As I said yesterday, what could save him is that no top manager will go mid season.
Simeone, De Boer or Klopp.
Deserves time to do what exactly? Cause the trend isn't looking that positive to be honest. Do we need to be at rock bottom for him to get sacked? Knocked out of every cup competition, fighting for a top ten position....
Screw that, get someone in right now and save the season.
Screw that, get someone in right now and save the season.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
It usually makes more sense to build a style of play around the players you have than have a style of play and try and pigeon holes into that style.
Deserves time to show that last season wasn't a fluke?
Bringing in someone else now means that at best we would get a UEFA Cup spot, and mean we're back in a "transitional phase", what good is that?
Yes we'd be in a transitional phase if we got De Boer or Klopp or someone else who's new to it.
As you already know I'm in the Rafa camp. He's done it before.
We'd be in a transitional phase no matter who we got in. They'd want their own style and their own players. Rafa may do decent job for a bit, but he's not the right option long term, we'd be changing managers again soon enough. And we'd have another summer or two, of trying to bed in a dozen or so players.
I respect your opinion, I understand you don't want to "go back", but if there's anyone out there who deserves the job and would take the least amount of time to adapt to it, it's Rafa.
You know what, fuck the league and everything that comes with it. If I could get another 5 years of CL finals, semi finals, quarter finals by hiring Rafa, and no league title. I'd fucking take it.
You know what, fuck the league and everything that comes with it. If I could get another 5 years of CL finals, semi finals, quarter finals by hiring Rafa, and no league title. I'd fucking take it.
He's been on the bad end of some staggering bad luck which you have to factor in when assessing him. I have to say though apart from the 0-3 Spurs game (which somewhat flatters the performance) we have been unbelievably shit. What's worse is there is absolutely no sign of improvement - If anything we look to be getting worse. He has to (and has) take responsibility for that. Something is fishy (and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple crumble...)
The evidence is this - when Rodgers had the benefit of a world class striker he got us challenging for the title. Our previous half dozen or so mangers have all had at least one and sometimes two or three world class strikers, and not one of them have had us as close to the title as Rodgers did.
So it's simple, we need to get a striker. Changing the manager would be insane. Literally insane.
So it's simple, we need to get a striker. Changing the manager would be insane. Literally insane.
That doesn't account for the massive personal backward steps Countinho and Henderson have taken. If you wanted out, surely you'd be trying to impress the other clubs. It's a mix of things. Bad transfer business. Miserable form from good players and Rodgers' difficult second album.
Says the poster who wants Rafa back, Rafa who had six years at the job and squandered loads of money too. We got rid of him because he couldn't make a credible impact on the league, not consistently, now you want to go back to where we were 5 years ago., because the current manager has had less than half that time to get it right.
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