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Probably ... but I also think part of it comes from the fact we sold the only player who actually fucking fought regardless of the score or opponent ... It was contagious ... We need a leader out there ...
That was my beef with selling Suarez..

He was everything you could only dream of in player.. not just his abilities on the pitch, but how he motivates and lifts others. Totally infectious throughout the team..

Then we go and buy Balotelli who is the exact opposite in everything to Suarez as his replacement..

It's that decision Rodgers made had swayed it for me in starting to doubt him..

The team lack balls, passion and playing for the shirt, like your life depended it.. He has to go..

After today, I cannot see how he can turn this around. The Madrid game for me was the turning point. He has lost the dressing room, today's performance clearly showed that.. One stupid decision after another stupid decision..

He does not know what he is doing
 
He had a shit deal in the summer. Suarez was going no matter what was done. And - arguably - there was no one available and keen to come to be a straight replacement. And Sturridge was soon crocked. If you wanted to make a bright young manager look hopeless that was pretty much the situation you'd engineer. So he's not declined inexplicably as a manager. He's declined in a bad situation.

But obviously he's coped as badly with that situation as one could imagine. He arrived with no defensive nous and he still has no defensive nous. He arrived with a chip on his shoulder, shook it off last season and has now put a veritable bag of chips back on there. And he seems to have lost the players, or they've lost him. It's bleak, Sadly, tragically, bleak.
 
I think it's early enough and the gap is small enough between us and 4th spot for it to be turned around and a half decent season achieved. Whatever ails the players mood needs to emerge and be addressed.

It looks much more like an attitude and application problem than talent and it's BR's responsibility to be open enough and ruthless enough to change that. I refuse to believe our players can't do better than today's showing purely because of team selection or formation.

He also needs to be able to turn to his captain but I fear that may be part of the problem.
 
I'd love to know how intense the training is and how much we work on exploiting the weaknesses of upcoming teams as at the moment it look like we start games without a plan of attack. And how he can keep picking skrtel and lovren together is ridiculous. There's obviously no understanding whatsoever between them and adding dopey johnson to mix doesn't help. It pisses me off when Rodgers keep saying we have to work on defending better game after game but steadfastly refuses to pick Lucas as defensive midfield or when he does he play him it's further forward. The man doesn't help himself at all.
 
BR post match:


Brendan Rodgers admitted that he was not immune from the sack after Liverpool slumped to a demoralising 3-1 defeat by Crystal Palace and he called for an immediate improvement from his side in Wednesday’s crucial Champions League match against Ludogorets .

Although Rodgers did not spare his players from criticism after a fourth successive defeat in all competitions, accusing them of failing to show enough intensity or togetherness against a Palace side who had not won since the end of September, he accepted that the responsibility for Liverpool’s poor form ultimately lay with him. This latest setback leaves them 12th in the table, five points behind fourth-placed Manchester United, and Rodgers did not shy away from answering questions about his future.

“I’m not arrogant enough to think that I will be in a job through anything,” Rodgers said. “Any manager will tell you that you have to win games and you have to get results, especially after how we’ve been developing as a football club. But I have a great communication line with the owners. We’ve been honest enough with each other but ultimately you have to get results. You have to perform. In my first year when we weren’t maybe getting the results we were performing well.

“Owners and directors and chairmen and chief executives have to see development on the field. Barring this period, our development has been very good and fast. But there’s no doubt as a manager you have to get results. That will support the confidence to the owners, and you take it from there. I will only ever do my best. The best has seen us develop well. Now I need to fight even harder. And take the responsibility because as manager full responsibility comes down to me. Any pressure comes on to me.”

Liverpool visit Ludogorets needing a win against the Bulgarian club to keep alive their hopes of qualifying from their Champions League group but they will have to play much better than they did against Palace. Rodgers said that Liverpool were guilty of not managing the game properly, although he must have thought that everything was going to plan when Rickie Lambert gave them the lead after two minutes with his first goal for the club since joining from Southampton.

Yet instead Rodgers found himself talking about his side’s lack of confidence after Palace fought back to claim their first win in six matches thanks to goals from Dwight Gayle, Joe Ledley and Mile Jedinak.

“It was bitterly disappointing,” Rodgers said. “Nowhere near the levels we’d expect, after a very good start. You’ve seen a team low on confidence today. Not quite together as a team. We need to find a solution very quickly because it was very disappointing.

“It’s my responsibility as the manager, ultimately. I put the team out there, the best team to win us the game. We made a good start. You could see our passing was a wee bit tentative, and then we make mistakes. Mistakes you wouldn’t expect to see from a team that’s supposed to be challenging. We failed to manage the game.

“We concede a throw-in which shouldn’t happen and then the third goal, a long ball down the middle and I didn’t think it was a free-kick. Both were holding each other’s shirts. OK, it was a good free-kick. Overall, that intensity and togetherness in our game isn’t there.

“When you don’t get the results, that affects you. We have to work harder but we go away bitterly disappointed with the result. We have to put it right very quickly because we have a massive game in midweek and a busy schedule ahead. We have to do better.”

Rodgers said that there was no issue over Mario Balotelli, who was absent with a groin injury, attending Saturday night’s fight between Tony Bellew and Nathan Cleverly in Liverpool but added that he was unsure whether the striker would be available against Ludogorets. Liverpool are without Daniel Sturridge, who is out until the new year with a thigh injury.

“Mario came back from the Italian squad and the groin was still sore,” he said. “We’ll assess that over the next few days. He was obviously free. He wasn’t out too late and he was in for treatment today.”


It's probably unfair, as it's straight after a match and he's tired and distracted, but he keeps coming out with stuff that makes me wonder what he's talking about. It's like another language. Take: "You could see our passing was a wee bit tentative, and then we make mistakes". Yes, it was tentative, but less tentative wouldn't have helped that much, if at all, because the passing, the decisions, and the movement was crap. It's no good being less tentative when you're repeatedly making the wrong pass. And again: "We concede a throw-in which shouldn’t happen". It's no good singling out that sort of thing when the problems are deep-rooted in the way the team is set up. He needs to shut it and really get down to work.
 
It was a terrible free kick from Mignolet but that doesn't excuse the way we defended afterwards. Lovren get rolled far too easily and neither sterling or gerrard were aware of their midfielder making an unmarked run into the box. Gerrards on field defensive awarness is beyond poor.
 
Anyway, obviously there has to come a time when questions have to be asked, that's the same in any profession, I just hope we don't become a club that pull the plug on every managerial placement at the first sign of trouble. It wasn't that long ago we were the cream of the league and everyone was talking about Rodgers and the style of football we were playing. I think he's fucked up in many instances and I think he's been unfortunate in losing two class strikers, it's time to weather the storm, but that's an impossible task if people are giving up on him already. The players look clueless and resigned to fucking up everytime they walk on the pitch, it's time for some leaders.

I still stand by everything I said after the Madrid match, I don't buy that it was the wrong decision, I think it's probably one of the bravest things he's done and it was the Rodgers, in some ways, that I want to see. Bring Toure and Lucas back in to steady the ship. Fuck off Balotelli, give Sterling and Gerrard a timeout, and work to climb our way out of trouble. It'd be nice if people actually backed and supported him though, instead of reading crap threads about who to replace him with, or commenting about how promising a manager he is, while giving him a 10 game deadline to work miracles or do one.

YNWA and all that hollow jazz.
 
Don't be ridiculous. I thought he had until Xmas or whatever?


Mark, do you not think that American owners will be very target orientated and early elimination from the CL and a rapidly disappearing shot at CL qualification via the League for next year may force them to act?

By the way I feel your pain and also think more support of the Manager is required.
 
Mark, do you not think that American owners will be very target orientated and early elimination from the CL and a rapidly disappearing shot at CL qualification via the League for next year may force them to act?

By the way I feel your pain and also think more support of the Manager is required.

Yeah I do, it's a sad state of affairs really, but that's the game at the top level. Demands for instant success, hero to zero, etc. That's inevitable, it pisses me off more listening to fickle fans ready to give any manager the boot at the first hurdle, even moreso when they've backed other managers for years.
 
Mark, do you not think that American owners will be very target orientated and early elimination from the CL and a rapidly disappearing shot at CL qualification via the League for next year may force them to act?

By the way I feel your pain and also think more support of the Manager is required.
This is my point, exactly..

The owners will have targets, and if those targets are looking increasingly unlikely to be met.. action will be taken..

The club need to look attractive for investors to sponser the stand.. Out of the Champs League with no prospect of qualifying is not maximising the club's potential in terms of revenue..
 
Grim reading

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This is my point, exactly..

The owners will have targets, and if those targets are looking increasingly unlikely to be met.. action will be taken..

The club need to look attractive for investors to sponser the stand.. Out of the Champs League with no prospect of qualifying is not maximising the club's potential in terms of revenue..

I know things are bleak, but you're being a bit defeatist and over the top. "No prospect of qualifying", we're 5 points off 4th and it's November.
 
I know things are bleak, but you're being a bit defeatist and over the top. "No prospect of qualifying", we're 5 points off 4th and it's November.

stay strong mark ... you'll have the last laugh ... i'd be with you if i could, but i'm just not fussed currently ... 🙂 HOLD THE FORT!

Agger > Skittles (just to get your blood going) ...
 
I know things are bleak, but you're being a bit defeatist and over the top. "No prospect of qualifying", we're 5 points off 4th and it's November.
It is not defeatest, I'm a realist... I've seen enough to suggest Rodgers is not the man to turn things around... We are yet to play the big guns..

No fucking hope, with the team playing like it is..
 
All things considered, unless we continue in absolutely abject form indefinitely, I think Rodgers has this season to put it right.

The only way I see that changing is if Klopp or De Boer etc suddenly become available unexpectedly (ie. leave their respective roles for whatever reason) - that'll make FSG think and make it difficult to resist the urge for change (especially re Klopp)
 
I know things are bleak, but you're being a bit defeatist and over the top. "No prospect of qualifying", we're 5 points off 4th and it's November.

People said they shit about man united for ages last season. "There's no way Man United will finish outside the top 4, blah blah blah." We look even shitter now than they did last season. People keep thinking it will improve just because we were good last season. When? We don't look remotely like improving. We've put in one good performance this season, away to a spurs team that are very hit and miss and even at that Spurs had some good chances to draw level at 0-1. After last season I think Rodgers deserves more time to turn things around, but things need to change and fucking fast.
 
I've been thinking about why Liverpool have gone shite and thought I knew but I didn't know until this day that it was Barzini all along.
 
It is not defeatest, I'm a realist... I've seen enough to suggest Rodgers is not the man to turn things around... We are yet to play the big guns..

No fucking hope, with the team playing like it is..
You want to bring back a man which you said the same things about 5 years ago?
 
All things considered, unless we continue in absolutely abject form indefinitely, I think Rodgers has this season to put it right.

The only way I see that changing is if Klopp or De Boer etc suddenly become available unexpectedly (ie. leave their respective roles for whatever reason) - that'll make FSG think and make it difficult to resist the urge for change (especially re Klopp)

Mostly agree, but not about them possibly prioritising Klopp. His own team are struggling, and I can't help wondering whether Rodgers' travails this season might prompt them to rethink their preference for a younger manager. I could more easily see them going for de Boer, perhaps with a young up-and-comer working under him.
 
We were challenging for the title last year, so why would we want to bring back a manager, just to "steady the ship"? What's the point?
 
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