I do. He shouldn't give a flying fuck what the media think and just pick the best side. Rooney was utter wank yet played ahead of a Carroll who had looked dangerous and full of confidence.
Roy a step backward!
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I do. He shouldn't give a flying fuck what the media think and just pick the best side. Rooney was utter wank yet played ahead of a Carroll who had looked dangerous and full of confidence.
Wilshire, Chamberlin, Carroll, Hart, Welbeck, Henderson, Walcott are all young and going to get better in the next two years.
This is what they said about the last crop.
Its occurred to me the other day that England do not have a creative player between the strikers and midfield. They've not had one since Teddy Sheringham played. Gerrard is the closest England has but he finds himself in his defending in his own half.
Of course its a step back. When you appoint the most mediocre manager in the history of average, thats what you get.
Short term it can be seen as a decent appointment as in this tournament noone expected England to perform and Roy did alright.
Long term you need someone else.
The Italy match sums him up in my book. Not having the balls to go for the win or playing the strongest team. More worried about the media than getting the right balance from form and ability.
Ashely Young should have been benched and Rooney did nothing to warrant a start.
Having 30 odd % of posession also shows Englands approach.
Playing Carroll for 60 minutes and then getting 1 cross into the box. Shockingly bad.
Short term it can be seen as a decent appointment as in this tournament noone expected England to perform and Roy did alright.
Long term you need someone else.
The Italy match sums him up in my book. Not having the balls to go for the win or playing the strongest team. More worried about the media than getting the right balance from form and ability.
Ashely Young should have been benched and Rooney did nothing to warrant a start.
Having 30 odd % of posession also shows Englands approach.
Playing Carroll for 60 minutes and then getting 1 cross into the box. Shockingly bad.
The most mediocre manager in the history of average got England to exactly where they always get.
What does that say about the rest of them ?
And if the Ashley's could take penalties England would be through to the semis. Would that have made Roy a better manager in peoples eyes ?
What does that say about the rest of them ?
And if the Ashley's could take penalties England would be through to the semis. Would that have made Roy a better manager in peoples eyes ?
Its got nothing to do with getting what they always get, its about improving. England have lost 6 of the last 7 penalty shoot outs, yet they seemed hellbent tactically on getting to that point.
No.
Rooney to England is like an Ibrahimovic, Balotelli, Shevchenko, or even a Ronaldo.
Even if he's off form you'd still play your best offensive player on the chance that he'd turn up on the day.
It's international football. There are only a few matches to play. It's a good gamble to take.
The sooner people wake up and realise England are a bunch of overhyped players the better. There is only one world class player in that team and he plays in goal. Gerrard, was class but isn't who he was as a player still a great player, Rooney is a flat track bully he will look good against average palyers in the prem but against top class oppo very rarely shines, young fuck me where to start, how he started every game is beyond me. Milner sums up England, works hard with very little technical ability.
Until England spend the vast amount of money they generate on players who can pass and move into space they will never be more than a second round team.
Now is the time for them to dispense with the old guard fully, 2 years to the next world cup, plenty of time to blood them all.
Until England spend the vast amount of money they generate on players who can pass and move into space they will never be more than a second round team.
Now is the time for them to dispense with the old guard fully, 2 years to the next world cup, plenty of time to blood them all.
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This. Great post Refugee. That was not a vintage Italy side, yet they had 68% of the ball, and 3 times as many completed passes as England. If Norn Iron had those stats I'd be embarrassed. England had one shot on target in the whole game. It was shocking play, and tactically, it seemed very poor too. It is no coincidence that England were at their best in the first 25 minutes, when Wellbeck and Rooney were staying close to Pirlo.
After that, no-one picked him up. It was crazy. Lunacy. Gerrard's role sweeping in front of the back 4 completely stultified any chance he had of influencing this game. It was awful. I think that Rooney's lack of fitness banjaxed the way England wanted to play this game, but it is up to Roy make the tough calls under those circumstances and change it. He didn't.
Apparently Rooney was told to drop off Welbeck and chase Pirlow as he plays almost too deep for one of our midifleders to track him.
Problem was Rooney was an unprofessional prick and put on a shit load of timber on holiday as was unfit.
Roy's two only mistakes in this tournament for me were sticking with Young and playing Rooney when obvioulsy unfit, he should have been an impact player from the bench. Welbeck strangely played much better without Rooney
surely Roys team did fitness tests on Rooney and noticed his lack of pace and stamina ??
Just as well England got knocked out as I expect Germany would have spanked them worse than in Bloemfontein. Had Germany had half the chances the Italians had last night it would have got messy for England, real messy.
An average manager, with an average team has failed yet again. Suprised? No way.
An average manager, with an average team has failed yet again. Suprised? No way.
I reckon Chelsea probably had the same stats in the CL final. I doubt they're embarrassed.
Yeah, how dare Roy not correct an age old problem in six weeks.
Answer my question though - Roy is a shite manager, how did he manage to do exactly as well as other managers you rate more highly? Or have they all been shite?
That's bullshit. Chelsea had 44% possession, and always posed a threat with Drogba. With a non-fit Rooney England had nothing. Chelsea were dominated, but they always had a chance through counter-attack. England had pretty much nothing.
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So how is one manager much worse than everyone else when he takes a shite team to exactly where supposedly better managers took them?
Probably.
When you look at how poorly Russia fared you have to look back and say maybe the group was weaker than we thought
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those who seem happy enough with Roy and the team's performance seem to be basing this on the belief that this is an average team which nobody had expectations for .
But are they really that bad ? Like i said somewhere else the starting lineup was made up of 3 City players (who just won the league ) , 3 United players (one being Rooney who many rate as one of best in the world ) , 2 Chelsea players (who just won champs league ) , 2 Liverpool players and a spurs player . Was it really necessary to play so cautiously and deep ? Can that group of players not do both , defend and attack ?
Ok there's many ways to win games and ultimately results are all that matters . In that sense Roy got what he wanted , especially in the 2 big games , a draw with France and taking Italy to penalties .Fair enough, but again , i personally don't think either of those 2 teams are really that good so was it necessary to play that way ?.
Oh and one last thing , i can't stand this idea of 'going with youth , play the youngsters over the next qualifying campaign so they've 2 yrs experience blah blah" . You play the best available right at that time . Of course young players need experience but they also need to be good enough right now . The young german players play because they are good enough and even germany have no problem with playing the likes of Klose who's like 43 . Same with Spain .
But are they really that bad ? Like i said somewhere else the starting lineup was made up of 3 City players (who just won the league ) , 3 United players (one being Rooney who many rate as one of best in the world ) , 2 Chelsea players (who just won champs league ) , 2 Liverpool players and a spurs player . Was it really necessary to play so cautiously and deep ? Can that group of players not do both , defend and attack ?
Ok there's many ways to win games and ultimately results are all that matters . In that sense Roy got what he wanted , especially in the 2 big games , a draw with France and taking Italy to penalties .Fair enough, but again , i personally don't think either of those 2 teams are really that good so was it necessary to play that way ?.
Oh and one last thing , i can't stand this idea of 'going with youth , play the youngsters over the next qualifying campaign so they've 2 yrs experience blah blah" . You play the best available right at that time . Of course young players need experience but they also need to be good enough right now . The young german players play because they are good enough and even germany have no problem with playing the likes of Klose who's like 43 . Same with Spain .
El Tel got England to the semi final stage...
I have already explained the England team have been poor for ages (under a number of managers) this is why England have failed time after time at Finals. More blame should be laid at the feet of the players than currently is.
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possibly because, like i just posted, the team isn't half as bad as people are making out , or at least perhaps had the potential to do better and play a more adventurous style thus increasing the chances of scoring .
That and those they played - france , sweden , ukraine and even italy are no great shakes . Quality of this tournament is down on previous ones .
This precisely it. Utd's prefers to excel for club rather than country while ours prefer country.
We lost on Penalties in the end to Italy, which everyone knows is just the luck of the draw, we could have gone through on another day. It may not have been a good performance but he had two weeks to prepare for the competition and a load of injuries too. A dose of perspective is well lacking in your thoughts on this.
He did ok but really should have tried to change the shape of the team during the game. Prandelli had an easy night and got the win his side deserved. Why didn't we bring Milner inside for a spell and drop Rooney or Welbeck onto the wing for a while or something. See if we could retain the ball with our extra man in the middle and get up the pitch a bit and make life a little harder for Pirlo. It was all so rigid and predictable.
You hit the nail on the head - these players are on average the highest paid players in the world (English players) and play some attractive football at club level. I've seen us play better under Cappello and Sven. Robson and Venables played decent watch-able games. Look at his time at LFC - Roy cannot deal with Big teams (for whatever reason). He i'm sure would do wonders for Wales, Scotland or Ireland but for a big nation will always fall short.
lol at the idea that 2 weeks preparation wasn't enough for Roy to work out Pirlo needed to be marked.
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