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Well, I disagree with the "fed up" part. What I'm saying is that they might be fed up but the site isn't the problem, it's the results.
I don't think people would be happy if everyone here were super positive and thought nothing was wrong.
It's never been that way here. Yeah, some moan, some moan even more and some take it to the extreme. But people can handle that, no, should be able to handle that.
In regards to your proposition to rally people to come back, I'm with you 100%. SUCK IT UP.
Sure, were shit, but moaning about is a way to cope. I really hope we stuff Man U and I'm going in thinking that we'll do it. I always do.
And if we're down 3-0 after the first half, I will moan and I have every right to do it.
I dunno. There is far too many posters on the missing list. A lot are obviously fed up with the forum. The results aren't helping obviously. Results didn't matter in the past though. In fact it was as busy after a loss than a win at times.I don't think people moaning discourages posters. Everyone loves a moan.
Maybe the posters who aren't posting anymore could come back and enlighten us with their reason for absenteeism. I'll do a thread in a day or two, (going drinking tomorrow) see can I encourage a few to come back.
Maybe the posters who aren't posting anymore could come back and enlighten us with their reason for absenteeism. I'll do a thread in a day or two, (going drinking tomorrow) see can I encourage a few to come back.
I'll tell you what I'm fed up with and it's not our poor form.
It's having to read another one of these fucking threads about sacking our manager.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about other teams, but just about every thread that starts these days descends into a car crash about sacking Rodgers - and there are a small band of posters that relentlessly push that agenda.
It makes the football forum a shite place to be. Don't mistake being over listening to the same old thoughtless, troll worthy, knee jerk, agenda pushing, whiny-bitch shite as apathy.
It's having to read another one of these fucking threads about sacking our manager.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about other teams, but just about every thread that starts these days descends into a car crash about sacking Rodgers - and there are a small band of posters that relentlessly push that agenda.
It makes the football forum a shite place to be. Don't mistake being over listening to the same old thoughtless, troll worthy, knee jerk, agenda pushing, whiny-bitch shite as apathy.
I've gone for 'till the new year', not that I want him out but that should give us enough time to gauge where we are at.
If we loose to Man utd and Arsenal I think his position will become unsustainable. If we got a new manager in the new year it might give us enough time to turn things around. Waiting till we are out of the cups and contention for fourth place is surely waiting too long?
We have two massive games coming up which will define our season in my opinion.
If we loose to Man utd and Arsenal I think his position will become unsustainable. If we got a new manager in the new year it might give us enough time to turn things around. Waiting till we are out of the cups and contention for fourth place is surely waiting too long?
We have two massive games coming up which will define our season in my opinion.
I think a few of us foresaw(?) this would happen a couple of weeks into the season.
It doesn't take long for the armchair fans to get restless.
D'you know why ? It's cos they haven't realized that there's so much more to life than sacking Brendan, and football.
It seems to be the way these days - something goes wrong, stamp your feet and demand things.
The default to any football problem seems to be "sack the manager" despite the fact that rarely addresses the problems that created the situation in the first place.
I've never been so demoralised, watching Liverpool at the mo..
Their isn't much positive going on at the mo.. So difficult to find anything good to talk about..
I'm hoping Balotelli bags a hattrick today.. That will spark a few into life..
If we lose against UTD as I expect us to... Tumbleweed will be familiarity with this place...
The last time this place was so bad was Hodgsons era..
Their isn't much positive going on at the mo.. So difficult to find anything good to talk about..
I'm hoping Balotelli bags a hattrick today.. That will spark a few into life..
If we lose against UTD as I expect us to... Tumbleweed will be familiarity with this place...
The last time this place was so bad was Hodgsons era..
I resent that comment..
I've just spent 7 weeks renovating my new house, so there is lot more to me than just football. I've painstakingly watched every game this season.. I don't want Rodgers sacked because of the way you imply..
I've seen enough now to realize that he maybe hasn't got it in him to turn things around.. I wanted him to prove me wrong, because I ain't in to sacking Managers..
But the longer the season goes on the reality is becoming more like it ain't gonna happen.. The results over the next few days are crucial.. It is make or break for him.. You hope he can, but fear the worst..
I don't want us to lose so he gets Sacked, I want us to win as always, but I expect us to lose, such is becoming the reality of the situation.
I find this logic far more irritating than anything else at the moment.
There are actually very valid questions to be asked about our short and long term futures right now on the basis of how horrid we've been. People voicing those concerns aren't spoiled children, they're the one who are willing to look beyond the points and into the performances behind them.
If anything, the real bad eggs are the ones going missing completely when we're having a bad spell.
Personally though, I'm not optimistic. I don't think it's outrageous to say that BR has been the worst manager in the league this season. And I also don't think any other manager could've done a worse job of spending money than he has.
Both we and him are fortunate everybody else has also been misfiring, or our season would be irrecoverable at this early stage. I think we'll eventually find some form and possibly reach 4th, but big picture this sort of spell is unacceptable. This compete lack of positive output is just not something we can have for months on end.
I really don't think too much emphasis can be put on the loss of Sturridge, without even considering Suarez. We looked OK early doors despite a ropey start and when we beat Spurs 3-0 at WHL I thought we would hit our stride. I didn't expect anything like last season, but good enough for Top 4 and to not ever be mid-table.
The loss of Sturridge, and his subsequently requiring an extension to his recuperation so extended absence, really battered the confidence of the players, fans .. and the manager. Had he been playing we may well have another 6-8 goals in the bag, be facing teams that are still nervous about stepping out with LFC, instead of knowing they have a chance, and be in or around the Top 4 having been written off by no-one.
The main issue is we have no-one to take his place, and the fact that BR admitted that he feared for him does nothing to support his position as a m a n a g e r, because knowing and believing what he did, re. Studge, he failed to cover us for that eventuality. It is pure poor management. I don't believe there were no players out there who could have strengthened us in the likelihood of a Studge injury, and were all available for the right money, it didn't have to be a Cavani or Falcao, let alone a Balotelli (fingers still crossed he comes good). And as far as other players go then Shaqiri, Firmino, Lacazette and so on, would all have been superb additions to the first team, never mind squad. And Sterling could have been rested more, improving his confidence and form.
That said I don't want him sacked, every manager makes mistakes, we will get better and we will finish in the Top 6, if Studge recovers and stays fit until the end of the season we may even finish Top 4 and challenge for the EL, we just need a bit more confidence, we showed some good play over the last 30 mins of the Basel game, so we know we can reach at least that level and just need to maintain it on a consistent basis.
The January window is crucial. Hopefully FSG recognise this. I feel they are at least partly to blame as I don't believe BR alone would have bought all of these youngsters. Maybe they will now recognise there is a need for mature, quality, players in the squad and immediately go all out for Cech,a striker more akin to Studge and one of the 3 above I mentioned earlier.
All is far from lost, even if we lose today. I do actually check the league positions after every match (and I mean every match - not just ours) ! It is amazing that although we are naturally focused on our own failings, Arsenal (consistency), Spurs (crap), Everton (mostly crap) and United (improving but really crap to begin with and still dependent on moments of magic from a superstar rather than over-powering team performances such as those from City or Chelsea) are nowhere near out of sight, some even behind us still, and we are still so close to Top 4 (7 pts) and actually closing in on the likes of West Ham, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea who all had fliers and are starting to drop way, as forecast. We are only 5 pts behind Arsenal, even if we lose today, but win and we are within touching distance (4 pts) of Top 3.
We will be there or thereabouts (Top 4) come the end of the season, of that I'm sure.
The loss of Sturridge, and his subsequently requiring an extension to his recuperation so extended absence, really battered the confidence of the players, fans .. and the manager. Had he been playing we may well have another 6-8 goals in the bag, be facing teams that are still nervous about stepping out with LFC, instead of knowing they have a chance, and be in or around the Top 4 having been written off by no-one.
The main issue is we have no-one to take his place, and the fact that BR admitted that he feared for him does nothing to support his position as a m a n a g e r, because knowing and believing what he did, re. Studge, he failed to cover us for that eventuality. It is pure poor management. I don't believe there were no players out there who could have strengthened us in the likelihood of a Studge injury, and were all available for the right money, it didn't have to be a Cavani or Falcao, let alone a Balotelli (fingers still crossed he comes good). And as far as other players go then Shaqiri, Firmino, Lacazette and so on, would all have been superb additions to the first team, never mind squad. And Sterling could have been rested more, improving his confidence and form.
That said I don't want him sacked, every manager makes mistakes, we will get better and we will finish in the Top 6, if Studge recovers and stays fit until the end of the season we may even finish Top 4 and challenge for the EL, we just need a bit more confidence, we showed some good play over the last 30 mins of the Basel game, so we know we can reach at least that level and just need to maintain it on a consistent basis.
The January window is crucial. Hopefully FSG recognise this. I feel they are at least partly to blame as I don't believe BR alone would have bought all of these youngsters. Maybe they will now recognise there is a need for mature, quality, players in the squad and immediately go all out for Cech,a striker more akin to Studge and one of the 3 above I mentioned earlier.
All is far from lost, even if we lose today. I do actually check the league positions after every match (and I mean every match - not just ours) ! It is amazing that although we are naturally focused on our own failings, Arsenal (consistency), Spurs (crap), Everton (mostly crap) and United (improving but really crap to begin with and still dependent on moments of magic from a superstar rather than over-powering team performances such as those from City or Chelsea) are nowhere near out of sight, some even behind us still, and we are still so close to Top 4 (7 pts) and actually closing in on the likes of West Ham, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea who all had fliers and are starting to drop way, as forecast. We are only 5 pts behind Arsenal, even if we lose today, but win and we are within touching distance (4 pts) of Top 3.
We will be there or thereabouts (Top 4) come the end of the season, of that I'm sure.
That's good enough?
If we lose today, it makes a huge difference.. You have to beat your Rivals to enter the top 4.. then their is of course the morale thing.. A loss would be a huge knock to the airway low morale in the squad.
On the flipside a win might just kick start us. Brendon has to start playing the new signings, the team lacks creativity..
I definitely wouldn't get rid of Rodgers before seasons end.
I'd rather see FSG make changes to how we go about signing players.
We went after some pretty good players but missed out on all of them. I think that needs to be addressed.
I'd rather see FSG make changes to how we go about signing players.
We went after some pretty good players but missed out on all of them. I think that needs to be addressed.
Where is this in depth dissection that you speak of, because I'm all for it.
No one has suggested that there isn't a need for a debate - but what's the point debating a issue with people who have already made their mind up that the manager should be replaced regardless.
It's a nonsense.
The biggest question that should be asked is how much further back will we go by sacking the current manager, installing a temporary manager and then searching for a new manager that will start down the path of another grand plan that will be deemed a failure the minute things don't go entirely to plan.
Someone took a decision, a fucking risky one at that, to forgo short term gain for long term opportunity by investing mostly in a bunch of highly rated kids in the hope that we would be able to maintain a CL position while they developed into a unit capable of a sustained challenge for league & European honours - all done on the back of he'll of a ride of a season.
Rightly or wrongly, Rodgers will carry the can for that decision and may very well lose his job over it.
There are questions about his defensive organisation and our keeper has to be replaced - but excuse me for thinking that managers should be afforded the opportunity to fix problems and prove that he has the ability to address issues and turn things round within an appropriate time frame.
Are we going to scream for the head of every manager the second performance levels drop below the previous seasons?
If we are, then we're well and truly fucked.
So by all means, ask the valid questions, debate the issues, but don't for a second tell me that calling for Rodgers head is an attempt at open minded or considered debate, because you'd be talking out your arse.
At least the poll shows that our fans are still not like Newcastle or Chelsea fans ... well, bar 2.
I think you are missing the point. Just because people aren't posting on an Internet forum doesn't imply they are gone missing on the club when the chips are down. It just means they couldn't be bothered logging into this particular forum because they aren't enjoying it. I've heard from a lot of posters personally that they are fed up with the site. They are still watching the games, going to the game and discussing it elsewhere.
Just to delve further into your comment above. The posters gone awol are bad eggs because they are gone missing during a bad spell? Okay so during a bad spell we should try remain positive, support our players and hope our manager can turn it around? Okay let's do that and try as a group not to turn every thread into a sack Rodgers thread but I'm pretty sure posters are getting fed up of a internet forum with one discussional topic.
Ah come of it Jono, you bumped your Sack Him thread before a game had even ended recently. You seem to finding some solace on us losing lately.
Stevie, I've posted something similar to this a few times. Totally agree.
Reading comments here and in other threads about the manager makes me feel like I'm a doctor trying to convince a person with a large gaping wound to get treatment.
But the person believes in faith healing and therefore thinks Jesus will heal his wound, he just needs to wait it out and bleed for a while.
But the person believes in faith healing and therefore thinks Jesus will heal his wound, he just needs to wait it out and bleed for a while.
You remind me more of the Christian on his soapbox in a city centre, calling pokemon the root of all evil
For this season ? Yes. Were you expecting something more, after we sold Suarez, pre-season ? I know the vast majority on here were happy with Top 4.
No, it makes no difference to Top 4. United look like they may be getting it together so maybe 3rd is theirs for the taking, Arsenal on the other hand ..... As for having to beat your rivals to get into the Top 4 .. no, you don't. All you have to do is get more points than them. Whether that comes from going on a long winning run or just steady form over the season.
"thereabouts", doesn't necessarily mean top 4.
That is now, before the season started I expected Top 4 for sure.
Yeah but you're the sort of doctor that wants to treat the gaping wound by dressing it with a 5 year old used bandage that you hoked out of a bin in Naples.
I'd use Argentine or German bandages as well. But I'd prefer the one you're referring to and its better than nothing.
And that warrants me wanting us to lose to get him sacked?
It was obvious we where not going to get a result. So I aired my feelings..
Of course it does.. We have failed to beat any of our rivals for Top 4 yet this season except for tottenham. There is no way you would get into the top 4 without beating any of them..
Top 3 really should be what we are looking for. Finishing 4th would not be ideal, as we are not seeded, the playoff would not be favourable.
As for Man UTD they are playing awful football but getting the results.. So we should be able 'on form' to beat them.. No Di Maria today and shakey defence. Their for the taking..
We lose both games against Arsenal and Man UTD, 4th will be well out of our grasp.. It would require a dramatic change of fortunes, which I cannot see happening any time soon...
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