Poll Rodgers poll - comments not necessary

[Oncy]

The forum is shit.

In my opinion 3 posters have ruined the football forum and I genuinely cant be arsed with it.

But by the same token im too old and busy to really give that much of a fuck or be arsed picking over the carcass of a football game. I thought last season would really reignite my love for the game but it hasnt I barely watch us play nowaday, I dont have any real love or affinity for anyone at the club, its a money spinning circus and it doesnt really matter who wins or loses the effort is not represantative of the money gleaned. They all get richer and richer and dont really seem to give all that much of a fuck. The game really has nothing to do with me anymore.
So maybe its not the triple poster thread ruining threat that has put me off, maybe its my own old cynical miserable malaise that has put me off.

Either way, I cant be arsed listening to you all gripe and fucking moan about a bunch of rich cunts who dont give a fuck about me.

So my posting will undoubtably be less and less from the almost non existant levels now. And honestly I havnt missed it a bit.
Its not what it was 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. Ive changed, weve changed. Im probably the better off for it, this forum isnt. It shouldnt have changed. Nowadays its a bit of a mess. I havnt the heart for it. Not at all.

 

[Fabio]

Aww

 

[Hansern]

I definitely wouldn't get rid of Rodgers before seasons end.
I'd rather see FSG make changes to how we go about signing players.
We went after some pretty good players but missed out on all of them. I think that needs to be addressed.

I agree. The whole "committee" needs to be adressed.
From what Pearce from the Echo said midweek, Rodgers can pick certain transfer targets from a group of players that he's presented. Some say he's got the final say, some say he doesnt.
I havent go a clue how its set up. But some of our signins are very far from his style of play.
He loves a sweeper keeper - we buy Ming.
Work rate, winning mentality and movement from our strikers - we buy Lambert and Balotelli.

Rodgers has got loads of issues to sort out. But we need to adress how this committee of Edwards, Hunter and Fallows work.
Or else sacking Rodgers wont change anything on that front.

Imho, its an interesting discussion.

 

[Skullflower]

shut up, oncy

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Three envelopes.

 

[Modo]

I definitely wouldn't get rid of Rodgers before seasons end.
I'd rather see FSG make changes to how we go about signing players.
We went after some pretty good players but missed out on all of them. I think that needs to be addressed.

I take exception to this.
What's the point of having Rodgers around if he can't identify the right players?
It's not like he's excelling in the tactics department.

 

[Best Believe It]

I take exception to this.
What's the point of Rodgers around if he can't identify the right player?
It's not like he's excelling in the tactics department.

Flip side - what's the point in sacking Rodgers if we don't have a club structure which is going to allow any manager to succeed?

 

[6TimesaRed]

But by the same token im too old and busy to really give that much of a fuck or be arsed picking over the carcass of a football game. I thought last season would really reignite my love for the game but it hasnt I barely watch us play nowaday, I dont have any real love or affinity for anyone at the club, its a money spinning circus and it doesnt really matter who wins or loses the effort is not represantative of the money gleaned. They all get richer and richer and dont really seem to give all that much of a fuck. The game really has nothing to do with me anymore.

That's the way the game is, sadly the money factor has been killing the game for years. Teams with the cash can just buy their way out of trouble...

I have a freind who is a season ticket holder for Liverpool.. The season before last he loaned his ticket out and Spent the season going to every ground in the lower leagues. His experience reminded him of football in the 80s. The passion, the fans the feeling of the fans being 'closer' to the club.

He did say however the football got more dire the lower the leagues he went.. But it was a buzz overall..

 

[gkmacca]

You'd surely expect a manager, after this time, to have established a spine to his team. But he hasn't.

Keeper: Rodgers has replaced Reina with Mingolet, then lost faith in him.

CB: He's fallen out with Agger, changed his mind about Skrtel several times, and bought Lovren and lost faith in Lovren.

DF: He began by hailing Lucas as his disciple, then lost confidence in him (admittedly after two injuries), then put Gerrard there, then lost confidence in him, then put Lucas back there without seeming to be want him there.

CM: He got Allen, but never seemed to be sure where to play him, and you can list several other players he uses there without seeming to regard them as crucial.

Centre forward/False Number 9: He bombed out Carroll, brought in Sturridge, which was an unqualified success, except that Sturridge is crocked.

That's no spine, it's a gelatinous mess. It didn't seem to matter last season. It was 'fluid' and fun. But god it looks a horrible mess now. There's no identity to this team, no spine, no soul. FSG are rebuilding the stadium, I don't think they're in the mood for patience.

 

[Ossi]

He really needs to get his shit together. It seems he's panicking, changing and chopping hoping for a fluke win. Not promising for the longer run.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

The forum is shit.



In my opinion 3 posters have ruined the football forum and I genuinely cant be arsed with it.



But by the same token im too old and busy to really give that much of a fuck or be arsed picking over the carcass of a football game. I thought last season would really reignite my love for the game but it hasnt I barely watch us play nowaday, I dont have any real love or affinity for anyone at the club, its a money spinning circus and it doesnt really matter who wins or loses the effort is not represantative of the money gleaned. They all get richer and richer and dont really seem to give all that much of a fuck. The game really has nothing to do with me anymore.

So maybe its not the triple poster thread ruining threat that has put me off, maybe its my own old cynical miserable malaise that has put me off.



Either way, I cant be arsed listening to you all gripe and fucking moan about a bunch of rich cunts who dont give a fuck about me.



So my posting will undoubtably be less and less from the almost non existant levels now. And honestly I havnt missed it a bit.

Its not what it was 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. Ive changed, weve changed. Im probably the better off for it, this forum isnt. It shouldnt have changed. Nowadays its a bit of a mess. I havnt the heart for it. Not at all.

I thought I was the only one ... Fight well Sir.

 

[Modo]

Flip side - what's the point in sacking Rodgers if we don't have a club structure which is going to allow any manager to succeed?

Well I don't think it's the structure hindering our current manager.

 

[Best Believe It]

Well I don't it's the structure hindering our current manager.

It's not an excuse for his failings. But for an inexperienced manager with inexperienced coaches there's very little in terms of guidance or support that has been around for substantially longer than Rodgers has. Dalglish, when he took over in 85, had Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans as coaches who had been with the club longer than Kenny had. He had a longstanding chairman and club secretary widely regarded as one of the best around. Despite all of this, he still got Paisley to act as a mentor.

We may well be able to employ a better manager but we're not creating an environment that allows them to succeed. We've no strong CEO, no experienced coaching team, no real long term football savvy on the board bar Kenny. No sense of how to plan a transfer strategy. We keep revamping the academy every few years. We're run really poorly.

 

[Modo]

It's not an excuse for his failings. But for an inexperienced manager with inexperienced coaches there's very little in terms of guidance or support that has been around for substantially longer than Rodgers has. Dalglish, when he took over in 85, had Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans as coaches who had been with the club longer than Kenny had. He had a longstanding chairman and club secretary widely regarded as one of the best around. Despite all of this, he still got Paisley to act as a mentor.

We may well be able to employ a better manager but we're not creating an environment that allows them to succeed. We've no strong CEO, no experienced coaching team, no real long term football savvy on the board bar Kenny. No sense of how to plan a transfer strategy. We keep revamping the academy every few years. We're run really poorly.

I get what you're saying but it's been a lot worse. Brendan wouldn't last a season if he had to endure what Rafa did.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I get what you're saying but it's been a lot worse. Brendan wouldn't last a season if he had to endure what Rafa did.

You mean the Rafa that had already had lots of experience dealing with problematic boards? Ok so @Best Believe It's post stands yet again ...

 

[Hansern]

Stop with the Rafa comments, please. He aint coming back and its tiresome even discussing what happened 5-10 years ago.
Lets focus on what we can do now.

 

[Leo]

Napoli losing again tonight.
7th in the league.
Fantastic management.

 

[dantes]

We may well be able to employ a better manager but we're not creating an environment that allows them to succeed.

We've no strong CEO,
I think that's better than having a fake douchebag who thinks he is a "leader" and must "lead" the club. The club is run by people, not an egomaniac with some sort of vision he came up with during a half hour strategy meeting.

no experienced coaching team,
Entirely the fault of Rodgers and the clubs stupid obsession with statistics and graduate performance analysts.

no real long term football savvy on the board bar Kenny.
Which is better than having people being paid to nod their head in agreement or worse yet disagree with Kenny.

No sense of how to plan a transfer strategy.
You could walk into any primary school in the country, and 99% of its pupils would write down a perfectly sound transfer strategy. It's not even a what. What are you even talking about? It's like saying you need to plan a pissing strategy before you get up and walk to the urinal.

We keep revamping the academy every few years.
It's since produced a lot of players for the first team.

We're run really poorly.
Yes we are.

The environment consists of walls and air. Maybe a potted plant. If Rodgers needs an additional intangible aura of confidence and strength in the environment, he may as well do away with training and just pray to the good Lord for 3 points every week. It's superstitious nonsense. Rodgers needs to just do his job. This year he's been utterly shit at it, and I would guess that it's down to his attitude and working hours.

Last year he had more time to work with the players. This year he he has less time because of Europe. What he should have done is put in more hours and more effort. Instead I get the feeling he's done the opposite whilst he spends his time off by whitening his teeth and trying to bang the clubs employees.

 

[Lippy]

Maybe people just can't be arsed coming on the forum because it's full of boring repetition and dickheads who constantly serve it up. Anything becomes irritating if you bang on about it for an infinity

 

[the count]

This site is in a decline worse than the team we support is in.
A steep, steep, probably terminal, decline.
It it keeps going the way it has, within a year or two there will only be a couple of posters left, posting their same old shite

 

[gkmacca]

, within a year or two there will only be a couple of posters left, posting their same old shite

We'll be okay, mate.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Reading comments here and in other threads about the manager makes me feel like I'm a doctor trying to convince a person with a large gaping wound to get treatment.
But the person believes in faith healing and therefore thinks Jesus will heal his wound, he just needs to wait it out and bleed for a while.

If the patient had taken your previous advice about getting rid of rafa, he would have been dead by now!

 

[keniget]

It's not an excuse for his failings. But for an inexperienced manager with inexperienced coaches there's very little in terms of guidance or support that has been around for substantially longer than Rodgers has. Dalglish, when he took over in 85, had Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans as coaches who had been with the club longer than Kenny had. He had a longstanding chairman and club secretary widely regarded as one of the best around. Despite all of this, he still got Paisley to act as a mentor.

We may well be able to employ a better manager but we're not creating an environment that allows them to succeed. We've no strong CEO, no experienced coaching team, no real long term football savvy on the board bar Kenny. No sense of how to plan a transfer strategy. We keep revamping the academy every few years. We're run really poorly.

I agree with a lot of that. The club should put a structure in place and stick with it regardless of what any (prospective) manager demands.

I'm not sure how much sympathy to have for Rodgers on account of him seemingly not wanting to work 'under' anyone.

How many of the coaching staff are Rodgers guys?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Napoli losing again tonight.
7th in the league.
Fantastic management.

You're being an idiot - that isn't Rafa's Napoli.

Your agenda is so clear. Rafa's teams could defend, and there's NO WAY one of his teams would struggle so much that they'd get knocked out by some shit Spanish team and miss out on the CL, or that they'd be so far off the league leaders, their fans would just be hoping for a top 4 place so they could compete in the European qualifications again.

BRING RAFA BACK! Look at how great he's doing at Juve.

 

[Best Believe It]

I think that's better than having a fake douchebag who thinks he is a "leader" and must "lead" the club. The club is run by people, not an egomaniac with some sort of vision he came up with during a half hour strategy meeting.

- Well it is, but I wasn't offering a choice between the two. Feel free to oversimplify if it makes you feel better.

Entirely the fault of Rodgers and the clubs stupid obsession with statistics and graduate performance analysts.

- Yep. I don't know why we let managers come in and sweep aside everything that has come before. It means no continuity. However, FSG have allowed this to happen, because they have little or no resolve in their own footballing decisions.

Which is better than having people being paid to nod their head in agreement or worse yet disagree with Kenny.

- Again, I'm not offering a choice between the two. I'm suggesting there might actually be another way. FSG haven't looked to hire/employ anyone at board level with a track record of success in Football clubs. I am suggesting this may be a problem, considering there's no-one left at the club - Kenny aside - who has had that experience.

You could walk into any primary school in the country, and 99% of its pupils would write down a perfectly sound transfer strategy. It's not even a what. What are you even talking about? It's like saying you need to plan a pissing strategy before you get up and walk to the urinal.

- Ok, let me explain. Currently the two best teams in the country are outspending everyone else. They can spend more on fees and wages than anyone else. And they're the best. In order to compete with them, you have two options - 1) spend as much as them (Man Utd are following this route) or 2) concentrate instead on getting the players in before they become great.

Clearly we don't have the money to compete with Chelsea or Man City. So we should be doing things in a much cleverer way. We should be placing much more emphasis on signing and bringing through the best young players, but that requires two things: an excellent scouting network and brilliant coaching. Do we have either? All the players we brought in in the summer were players everyone knew about, bar maybe Emre Can. We should be identifying these players ahead of the world taking notice of them. And then coaching the hell out of them. That's what I mean by a transfer strategy, but I'm seeing no evidence of this. We should have been planning for Suarez's departure, with four or five targets identified as replacements. But the players we should have been targeting should have been players of Suarez's stature before he signed for us. We may well have been doing this, and I concede I am not inside the club and this could all be going on, but I'm seeing no evidence of a coherant plan and it bothers me.

It's since produced a lot of players for the first team.

Since? Since when? Since Rafa revamped it? Since Brendan revamped it twice? How many has the academy produced? Sterling was a signing from QPR. Flanagan? He was in the set up well before Brendan came in. Who else?

The environment consists of walls and air. Maybe a potted plant. If Rodgers needs an additional intangible aura of confidence and strength in the environment, he may as well do away with training and just pray to the good Lord for 3 points every week. It's superstitious nonsense. Rodgers needs to just do his job. This year he's been utterly shit at it, and I would guess that it's down to his attitude and working hours.

Last year he had more time to work with the players. This year he he has less time because of Europe. What he should have done is put in more hours and more effort. Instead I get the feeling he's done the opposite whilst he spends his time off by whitening his teeth and trying to bang the clubs employees.

Rodgers does need to do his job and he's not done a very good one this year, but to ignore the infrastructure around him is akin to thinking that all our success in the past has just been down to a manager. And forgetting the roles played by John Smith, Peter Robinson, Ronnie Moran, Geoff Twentyman and all the other people behind the scenes who have quietly excelled at what they do.

 

[Best Believe It]

I agree with a lot of that. The club should put a structure in place and stick with it regardless of what any (prospective) manager demands.

I'm not sure how much sympathy to have for Rodgers on account of him seemingly not wanting to work 'under' anyone.

How many of the coaching staff are Rodgers guys?

He brought in Pascoe and a couple of performance analysts I think. I don't know the names. Marsh was a youth coach but wasn't held up as anything special. I don't really get the whole need to have 'a Liverpool man' in the first team coaching set up. They're all Liverpool men because they work at the club. I would prefer to have coaches whose selling point is excellence rather than nostalgia.