Bit of twisted logic going on here.
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Bit of twisted logic going on here.
Again, I think it unreasonable to consider only League titles as a rule of success, by that token Arsenal should remove Wenger for example, they're a 'wannabe' club.
If you only consider hiring a coach for a wannabe club if you think he'll magic up a league title for you after a few months (or a few years) then perhaps you should consider your reasoning.
I don't get the England angle, presumably you mean you don't want him at an English club in case he does well?
Whatever, I still think the decision Madrid have reached is more to do with politics than performance, 7 months is a very short period for any manager.
Simple maths
He hasn't been manager of a single team in his career that you expect to win the league. Yes Inter had won the league the year before but as already been said, he never got a fair chance. The players never wanted him and didn't give a shit about what he said. You can also add that they sold a couple of their best players and didn't replace them and at the same time Juventus had recovered and started to spend big money. He should never taken the job in the first place.
He never had a fair chance to win the league at Chelsea. Again he had the players against him from day one. They didn't give a shit about he said.
He never had a fair chance to win the league at Real. The players never wanted him and again ignored him from day one. He should never taken the job but it was his dream job and I can understand that he couldn't turn it down again.
You can't say that he should have won the league as our manager. Man U had a complete world class squad and Ferguson was allowed to visit the ref in the dressing room after the first half as Rafa pointed out. You will have to figure out yourself why Rafa wasn't even charged after his fact PC. Chelsea also spent big money and Arsenal had a complete world class squad.
Rafa didn't get any big money to spend. When he signed Kuyt for £10m Moores loaned the money to the club. Compere that to the very big money Chelsea and Man U spent. He also had to make the CL priority one because of the CL money. Some of the CL money was his transfer budget. In many cases he had to sell a player before he signed a new one. He had to weaken the squad before strenghten it.
He also didn't had any control at all over the Academy. If he wanted a young talent then he couldn't play him in the Academy because then that player could be sold and Rafa didn't have any chance to stop the deal. He thought many years to get control over the Academy and finally got it his last season with us. His first signing after getting that control, Sterling. If he wanted a young player then he had to sign him with the first team budget and let the player train with the first team.
It wasn't Rafa that signed and sold players for the Academy. As I said, he had no control there until his last season.
He never had a fair chance to win the league at Chelsea. Again he had the players against him from day one. They didn't give a shit about he said.
He never had a fair chance to win the league at Real. The players never wanted him and again ignored him from day one. He should never taken the job but it was his dream job and I can understand that he couldn't turn it down again.
You can't say that he should have won the league as our manager. Man U had a complete world class squad and Ferguson was allowed to visit the ref in the dressing room after the first half as Rafa pointed out. You will have to figure out yourself why Rafa wasn't even charged after his fact PC. Chelsea also spent big money and Arsenal had a complete world class squad.
Rafa didn't get any big money to spend. When he signed Kuyt for £10m Moores loaned the money to the club. Compere that to the very big money Chelsea and Man U spent. He also had to make the CL priority one because of the CL money. Some of the CL money was his transfer budget. In many cases he had to sell a player before he signed a new one. He had to weaken the squad before strenghten it.
He also didn't had any control at all over the Academy. If he wanted a young talent then he couldn't play him in the Academy because then that player could be sold and Rafa didn't have any chance to stop the deal. He thought many years to get control over the Academy and finally got it his last season with us. His first signing after getting that control, Sterling. If he wanted a young player then he had to sign him with the first team budget and let the player train with the first team.
It wasn't Rafa that signed and sold players for the Academy. As I said, he had no control there until his last season.
Wenger - in my opinion - has been a failure in the last 10 years. 2 FA Cups is not a return for a team that has their $$$ or pull. I think most of their fans would say they've failed.
I think you hire a coach who you think can BUILD a team and create a title challenger. That's what we thought we were doing with Rafa (and he did until it started going wrong) and Rodgers (and he did, but then it obviously went wrong). Hodgson & Kenny were short term 'fixes'. Klopp has been hired to build the team and win the league.
Yah - I'd rather he doesn't win the league in England! 🙂 Let him do it in France with PSG or with Valencia (once they fire the rat) in Spain! 🙂
It was partially politics (They've been grooming Zidane for a while), partially the fans and partially the players (his relationship with ROnaldo, Rodriguez etc). It was his dream job but it was never going to work there ... regardless of how well he did.
Arn - I'm not bothering anymore. With Jexy, Local etc - I can talk. Good luck.
Wenger had to weaken his squad until they had paid for the stadium. They made a profit in the transfer market during that time. A big profit. They made the decision that a new stadium was more important than league titles until they paid for the stadium.
During the same time Man U and Chelsea spent very big money and after a couple years Man C started to spend very big money.
I would say that Wenger is the best ever manager in the PL but that is my opinion. Every season they qualify for the CL knockout stage. That is a fantastic result. Every season he qualified them for the CL. Not a single bad season so far.
During the same time Man U and Chelsea spent very big money and after a couple years Man C started to spend very big money.
I would say that Wenger is the best ever manager in the PL but that is my opinion. Every season they qualify for the CL knockout stage. That is a fantastic result. Every season he qualified them for the CL. Not a single bad season so far.
Rafa won us the Champion's league and for that he will always be legend. So what that he managed Chelsea? He needed a job to raise his profile it was a temp job.
Don't think he's ever had a problem like that.
They didn't pay anything back on the loan. They paid the rent on the loan. FSG paid the loan when they bought the club. The club owned the bank around £250m and that was the figure FSG paid for the club.
Loans don't work in a simple maths way for the lender even if there was any correlation in the circumstances. Even in the world of real finance failure to pay back a loan is default not swindle except where intention can be proved. The analogy doesn't work.
We got more league points in Rafa's last season than Ged's. We fluked into the CL in Ged's last season on the back of a rubbish league. Inter was a complete disaster though.
For the very fact rafa threw away Athens and ballsed up a big title opportunity, not even his biggest fans could consider his tenure anyway near a 9 or 10 out of 10 surely?
This is without considering his treatment of xabi and a few others.
I like the guy and still rate him but you have to question his track record in recent years
This is without considering his treatment of xabi and a few others.
I like the guy and still rate him but you have to question his track record in recent years
He didnt take us. He just happened to be there
I don't know about Arn's view but I suspect like all of us Rafa gets on well with some people and not others, simple human relationships. On a broader level I understand the Valencia fans are very appreciaitve of his time with them and I've no doubt he'd recieve a warm welcome again at Anfield.
Yeah, he was just lucky to happen across our brilliant squad. Even Hodgeson would have won the CL with that bunch.
Amazing how the man still brings out strong opinion.
I particularly enjoyed how he schemed to have us three nil down at half time.
That made it a much better emotional rollercoaster.
As did him telling Dudek to do that double save from Shevchenko. He's a fucking genius.
Strong isn't how i'd characterize Arns opinion
Weird how we were bankrupt when he left but not before then
If he wasn't there when we weren't but was when we were then when were we there when he wasn't. When we were there but he wasn't was that his non-influence, it was wasn't it?
I'm not sure Liverpool FC have been bankrupt?
Are you disagreeing that we shouldn't have done better in Athens?
I don't think anyone agreed with his team selection or tactics against a weak Milan side.
I also subscribe to the fact that there are many contributing factors that had more influence over the 04-05 cl success than Rafa.
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