Meireles for Sturridge makes sense in terms of that moneyball stuff it has to be said.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
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if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
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if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46664.msg1390576#msg1390576 date=1314700304]
Sturridge could be a nice 4th Striker, but would we use him enough for him to be that beneficial to us?
We'd need to replace Miereles we someone better in his position for this to be a good deal, we won't do that though.
Maybe it's the player that wants to go, it's the only logical reason we'd do this.
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Sturridge is already at (or beyond) Kuyt's level and a helluva prospect so he'd be #2 and on the bench or pitch every game.
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Really you'd say he's that good? He's good but i'm not so sure.
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As Bunny said above ... bags of potential and he's got a lot in his kitbag already. Great in the box and fast. England player of the future. What's not to like ?
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46664.msg1390576#msg1390576 date=1314700304]
Sturridge could be a nice 4th Striker, but would we use him enough for him to be that beneficial to us?
We'd need to replace Miereles we someone better in his position for this to be a good deal, we won't do that though.
Maybe it's the player that wants to go, it's the only logical reason we'd do this.
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Sturridge is already at (or beyond) Kuyt's level and a helluva prospect so he'd be #2 and on the bench or pitch every game.
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Really you'd say he's that good? He's good but i'm not so sure.
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As Bunny said above ... bags of potential and he's got a lot in his kitbag already. Great in the box and fast. England player of the future. What's not to like ?
strikers;
suarez - creativity
carroll - target man
kuyt - works hard 😉
sturridge - raw power and pace
good selection of strikers
suarez - creativity
carroll - target man
kuyt - works hard 😉
sturridge - raw power and pace
good selection of strikers
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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adam
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if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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holding;
lucas
spearing
attacking;
gerrard
adam
jonjo
henderson
if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
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to be honest I agree but if gerrard 'is' over his injuries then we need more attacking striking options than a midfielder who is down the pecking order
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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holding;
lucas
spearing
attacking;
gerrard
adam
jonjo
henderson
if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
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to be honest I agree but if gerrard 'is' over his injuries then we need more attacking striking options than a midfielder who is down the pecking order
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
zarate is apparatly 16m.
ming - 12m
n'gog - 4m
cole off the wage bill
ming - 12m
n'gog - 4m
cole off the wage bill
Neil, that is previous regime thinking, it seems to me that JH, although not wanting to chuck money away, looks at the greater good of strengthening the team.
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1390622#msg1390622 date=1314703070]
Well I want to get moneyball in a headlock and give it a chinese burn.
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Oii, leave the chinese alone for all the rice in the world. But what is a chinese burn?
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This:
[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1390622#msg1390622 date=1314703070]
Well I want to get moneyball in a headlock and give it a chinese burn.
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Oii, leave the chinese alone for all the rice in the world. But what is a chinese burn?
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This:
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46664.msg1390637#msg1390637 date=1314704382]
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390639#msg1390639 date=1314704835]
Neil, that is previous regime thinking, it seems to me that JH, although not wanting to chuck money away, looks at the greater good of strengthening the team.
regards
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I was on my phone earlier and couldnt type easily so.... 2 things i spotted earlier in the thread... one post said that ming is our fifth central midfielder in the pecking order, it also failed to point out that the current football zeitgeist often plays with 3 in the middle and at least 2 centrally. Ming has shown that one of the things he is very very good at is movement and arriving in the box perhaps stylistically different but a David Platt type player for getting in the box ( for those of us old enough to know who the fuck that is!)
It is also debatable if we have a "pecking order" and indeed if we did that ming would finish 5th!
Personally i think Dalglish so far has given every indication that he completely understands the need for a good squad and that competition for places is essential.
The best post in the thread so far belonged to you Vlad, earlier, we dont need to sell at all and it would be barmy to sell this lad.
I think it just hot air tbh, at least i hope it is.
If we could get great money and strengthen another area before the window closes then fair enough but i doubt we could, Ming was a highlight for many of us last season for good reason.... he is a really really good player.
Strengthening Chelsea, even if we could strengthen ourselves as a result, while both the manc teams look so strong.... i just dont get the impression that we will do that, its cutting your own throat.
It might be that we have overspent on the previous understanding that we would sell ming and recoup the money, this is a possibilty, i doubt many of us actually believed we would spend so much but....
top n tail of it is selling Ming is a very bad idea.
Neil, that is previous regime thinking, it seems to me that JH, although not wanting to chuck money away, looks at the greater good of strengthening the team.
regards
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I was on my phone earlier and couldnt type easily so.... 2 things i spotted earlier in the thread... one post said that ming is our fifth central midfielder in the pecking order, it also failed to point out that the current football zeitgeist often plays with 3 in the middle and at least 2 centrally. Ming has shown that one of the things he is very very good at is movement and arriving in the box perhaps stylistically different but a David Platt type player for getting in the box ( for those of us old enough to know who the fuck that is!)
It is also debatable if we have a "pecking order" and indeed if we did that ming would finish 5th!
Personally i think Dalglish so far has given every indication that he completely understands the need for a good squad and that competition for places is essential.
The best post in the thread so far belonged to you Vlad, earlier, we dont need to sell at all and it would be barmy to sell this lad.
I think it just hot air tbh, at least i hope it is.
If we could get great money and strengthen another area before the window closes then fair enough but i doubt we could, Ming was a highlight for many of us last season for good reason.... he is a really really good player.
Strengthening Chelsea, even if we could strengthen ourselves as a result, while both the manc teams look so strong.... i just dont get the impression that we will do that, its cutting your own throat.
It might be that we have overspent on the previous understanding that we would sell ming and recoup the money, this is a possibilty, i doubt many of us actually believed we would spend so much but....
top n tail of it is selling Ming is a very bad idea.
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46664.msg1390637#msg1390637 date=1314704382]
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
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but there was never any actual evidence for that - it was just the easy and lazy thing to believe.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46664.msg1390637#msg1390637 date=1314704382]
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
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but there was never any actual evidence for that - it was just the easy and lazy thing to believe.
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1390622#msg1390622 date=1314703070]
Well I want to get moneyball in a headlock and give it a chinese burn.
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Oii, leave the chinese alone for all the rice in the world. But what is a chinese burn?
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This:
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wah
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1390622#msg1390622 date=1314703070]
Well I want to get moneyball in a headlock and give it a chinese burn.
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Oii, leave the chinese alone for all the rice in the world. But what is a chinese burn?
[/quote]
This:
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wah
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390631#msg1390631 date=1314703618]
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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holding;
lucas
spearing
attacking;
gerrard
adam
jonjo
henderson
if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
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Exactamundo.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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holding;
lucas
spearing
attacking;
gerrard
adam
jonjo
henderson
if gerrard is over his injuries (big assumption) then ming wouldn't get a sniff, he is not a wide midfielder and we are more likely than not going to play two strikers.
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Which is my point if we have two injuries in that area, and Gerrard has a question mark, we are left with Shelvey as cover , I don't mind Shelvey, but it's a big responsibility on a young lad, and I don't think he is ready for that yet. Plus at least Ming has the capability to come off the bench and change a game.
regards
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Exactamundo.
The only way this makes any sense is if Ming wants out and Kenny's all like "any player who doesn't disnae wanna play for the shirt can fuck off".
Otherwise it's mental.
If the plan is to sell to the Chavs, it's still mental. If he wants to go, fine, sell him to someone else
Otherwise it's mental.
If the plan is to sell to the Chavs, it's still mental. If he wants to go, fine, sell him to someone else
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46664.msg1390637#msg1390637 date=1314704382]
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
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but there was never any actual evidence for that - it was just the easy and lazy thing to believe.
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He never played, had a huge contract and there was talk of him having attitude problems. Those reasons alone make it understandable if someone didn't want him in my opinion. It is of course a bit lazy but in his case it would have been hard to judge yourself as again he never really played.
Kudos to those who wanted him though as you were proven right but you must have been a bit surprised just how good he actually was at Bolton?
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46664.msg1390637#msg1390637 date=1314704382]
i remember when the idea of sturridge was mooted as part of the Torres deal pretty much everyone on the forum rejected it out of hand, even at a part-ex value of £5m!
i thought at the time it would be a good deal, and even more so now when i know what £35m of that £50m went on....
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And you have been proven right of course.
Can't blame people not warming to the idea back then though. Sturridge had all the signs of another talented kid who had believed his own hype and stopped developing after he'd got his first big contract.
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but there was never any actual evidence for that - it was just the easy and lazy thing to believe.
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He never played, had a huge contract and there was talk of him having attitude problems. Those reasons alone make it understandable if someone didn't want him in my opinion. It is of course a bit lazy but in his case it would have been hard to judge yourself as again he never really played.
Kudos to those who wanted him though as you were proven right but you must have been a bit surprised just how good he actually was at Bolton?
i'm not saying i particularly wanted him. i just thought everyone was way too too quick to write him off as a lost cause without REALLY knowing anything about him, and i also definitely thought he was obviously worth the suggested £5m on potential alone, and was therefore a welcome makeweight.
no big deal, i'm not really wanting to have a go or gloat - i just found it a bit irritating at the time, that's all. i suppose i just saw it as the worst kind of fickleness: an obviously gifted young player a year or so before, then an ill-advised move later and he's worthless. i guess that's football for you.
no big deal, i'm not really wanting to have a go or gloat - i just found it a bit irritating at the time, that's all. i suppose i just saw it as the worst kind of fickleness: an obviously gifted young player a year or so before, then an ill-advised move later and he's worthless. i guess that's football for you.
I wasn't having a go at you btw. I genuinely meant it when I said kudos to you as I think it was well spotted when almost everyone was against taking him. Just saying it was understandable to be against signing him at the time too, 'tis all.
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46664.msg1390683#msg1390683 date=1314708520]
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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Haha
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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Haha
[quote author=the count link=topic=46664.msg1390683#msg1390683 date=1314708520]
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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hahaha. Very good.
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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hahaha. Very good.
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46664.msg1390683#msg1390683 date=1314708520]
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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hahaha. Very good.
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46664.msg1390683#msg1390683 date=1314708520]
If the chances of this transfer going ahead are anywhere close to 50/50 I expect Meireles to pull out
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hahaha. Very good.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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Perhaps the Captain might play in that position, Vlad.
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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Perhaps the Captain might play in that position, Vlad.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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Perhaps the Captain might play in that position, Vlad.
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I said the right cover Wilko not cover for the right (as in the right quality) 😉
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1314702899]
That might be tempting, Sturridge looked great last season, but I think it leaves us short of the right cover in midfield.
regards
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Perhaps the Captain might play in that position, Vlad.
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I said the right cover Wilko not cover for the right (as in the right quality) 😉
regards
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