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I think Ming wants to go. He hasn't got much of a look in this season, and whether that's for off the field activities, or it's because Kenny feels that we have better options, I'm not sure, but either way it looks like he'll be going. I'd prefer if it wasn't to Chelsea, unless we ripped them off again.
Unless the offer is absurd and allows us to go out and get another player who is better than Raul I dont see the point in it. Hes a top player and fits in well with Kennys style of play, its not like we are desperate to sell so if Chelsea want him then I would think the pressure is on them to make an irressistable offer like Sturridge plus cash
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46664.msg1390453#msg1390453 date=1314691835]
I think Ming wants to go. He hasn't got much of a look in this season, and whether that's for off the field activities, or it's because Kenny feels that we have better options, I'm not sure, but either way it looks like he'll be going. I'd prefer if it wasn't to Chelsea, unless we ripped them off again.
[/quote]If it was a couple of seasons ago I would have been appalled at the though of ming going as it would more than likely have been to cash in another asset.
While I definitely don't want him to go I do trust the people that are in a position to advocate the sale now and if he were to leave I would be interested to find out the thinking behind the sale.
Perhaps he is desperate to leave or is a disruptive influence in the dressing room.
I don't know.
It doesn't seem to make sense to sell him from my perspective but I believe there must be a valid reason for Kenny and Comoli to do so
I think Ming wants to go. He hasn't got much of a look in this season, and whether that's for off the field activities, or it's because Kenny feels that we have better options, I'm not sure, but either way it looks like he'll be going. I'd prefer if it wasn't to Chelsea, unless we ripped them off again.
[/quote]If it was a couple of seasons ago I would have been appalled at the though of ming going as it would more than likely have been to cash in another asset.
While I definitely don't want him to go I do trust the people that are in a position to advocate the sale now and if he were to leave I would be interested to find out the thinking behind the sale.
Perhaps he is desperate to leave or is a disruptive influence in the dressing room.
I don't know.
It doesn't seem to make sense to sell him from my perspective but I believe there must be a valid reason for Kenny and Comoli to do so
Apparently Ming is on low wages and he has been pushed down the pecking order so you can see why he would want out, the question is why would we sell and I think it is because we feel gerrard is over the worst of his injuries.
I don't reckon the pecking order is anywhere near established yet, so that doesn't convince me. Either it's a "lesser of two evils" situation (we still badly want to sign somebody and have to raise cash from a sale in order to get the deal done) or the Chavs have tapped him up the way they did Stevie and Torres. Nothing else adds up IMO.
Absolutely. I do trust Kenny's judgment but I still hope we can hold on to Meireles.
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I don't reckon the pecking order is anywhere near established yet, so that doesn't convince me.
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Yeah maybe not mate, but with Stevie out injured he'd be forgiven for thinking his chances of starting might be limited if he's not playing now.
"If" he does leave i just hope we have someone else lined up to sign before the deadline.
I don't reckon the pecking order is anywhere near established yet, so that doesn't convince me.
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Yeah maybe not mate, but with Stevie out injured he'd be forgiven for thinking his chances of starting might be limited if he's not playing now.
"If" he does leave i just hope we have someone else lined up to sign before the deadline.
Fair point about the implications of Stevie being out, but I actually reckon Meireles is being a bit previous if he does think that.
Or maybe that's me hoping against hope?
Or maybe that's me hoping against hope?
I know Adam scored the other day and Henderson too, but our midfield as it stands is fairly predictable, there's only Gerrard and Meireles capable of showing good movement off the ball and an ability to run from deep and make clever runs that are difficult to pick up. Given Gerrard's injury woes I think it'd be criminal to let him go, never mind to one of our rivals. He'll give them goals, we'll lose those goals. It's a stupid move if true.
OK, I don't wnt Ming to go, I rate him, &. I think the fact even ratboy was singing his praises on sky says a lot.
However, this doesn't make sense unless one of two things, or both, have happened. Either he's pissed off players &/or staff & they want him out, or/& Chelsea have tapped him up so he wants outn& has made it clear.
In those circumstances it makes sense to get shut, but we need to do it on our terms, a decent price or a bloody good cm/winger with creativity, otherwise he can stay & rot.
However, this doesn't make sense unless one of two things, or both, have happened. Either he's pissed off players &/or staff & they want him out, or/& Chelsea have tapped him up so he wants outn& has made it clear.
In those circumstances it makes sense to get shut, but we need to do it on our terms, a decent price or a bloody good cm/winger with creativity, otherwise he can stay & rot.
There were rumours that Real knocked back an enquiry for Gago over the weekend.
It could be all made up bollocks but if true it seems we are at least covering our bases in the event of Meireles leaving.
Not sure about Gago though.
It could be all made up bollocks but if true it seems we are at least covering our bases in the event of Meireles leaving.
Not sure about Gago though.
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The Guardian say we knocked back a 7m + yossi offer.
Chelsea are taking the piss
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Which to me suggests that his agent has spoken to them & said either he's fallen out with kenny or he's spoken to them & has raul angling for a move cos he's after more wages.
Otherwise offering a paltry amount doesn't fit, at all.
The Guardian say we knocked back a 7m + yossi offer.
Chelsea are taking the piss
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Which to me suggests that his agent has spoken to them & said either he's fallen out with kenny or he's spoken to them & has raul angling for a move cos he's after more wages.
Otherwise offering a paltry amount doesn't fit, at all.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46664.msg1390484#msg1390484 date=1314695036]
The Guardian say we knocked back a 7m + yossi offer.
Chelsea are taking the piss
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Which to me suggests that his agent has spoken to them & said either he's fallen out with kenny or he's spoken to them & has raul angling for a move cos he's after more wages.
Otherwise offering a paltry amount doesn't fit, at all.
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It does really if they're aware of a rift, if they know the player wants out and there's tension there between him and the club, then that would suggest we're looking to sell so they WILL take the piss.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46664.msg1390484#msg1390484 date=1314695036]
The Guardian say we knocked back a 7m + yossi offer.
Chelsea are taking the piss
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Which to me suggests that his agent has spoken to them & said either he's fallen out with kenny or he's spoken to them & has raul angling for a move cos he's after more wages.
Otherwise offering a paltry amount doesn't fit, at all.
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It does really if they're aware of a rift, if they know the player wants out and there's tension there between him and the club, then that would suggest we're looking to sell so they WILL take the piss.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46664.msg1390474#msg1390474 date=1314693711]
I know Adam scored the other day and Henderson too, but our midfield as it stands is fairly predictable, there's only Gerrard and Meireles capable of showing good movement off the ball and an ability to run from deep and make clever runs that are difficult to pick up. Given Gerrard's injury woes I think it'd be criminal to let him go, never mind to one of our rivals. He'll give them goals, we'll lose those goals. It's a stupid move if true.
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henderson's movement is freaking awesome, mark. I feel if we are making decisions based on gerrard's fitness we're mad. we sell ming and gerrard breaks down, we are then we're calling on the likes of spearing and jonjo.
I know Adam scored the other day and Henderson too, but our midfield as it stands is fairly predictable, there's only Gerrard and Meireles capable of showing good movement off the ball and an ability to run from deep and make clever runs that are difficult to pick up. Given Gerrard's injury woes I think it'd be criminal to let him go, never mind to one of our rivals. He'll give them goals, we'll lose those goals. It's a stupid move if true.
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henderson's movement is freaking awesome, mark. I feel if we are making decisions based on gerrard's fitness we're mad. we sell ming and gerrard breaks down, we are then we're calling on the likes of spearing and jonjo.
if we sell ming and then announce the signing of afellay then I would be happy.
if we sell ming and then announce the signing of...no one or worse bennynoon then that is a pretty daft move.
if we sell ming and then announce the signing of...no one or worse bennynoon then that is a pretty daft move.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46664.msg1390495#msg1390495 date=1314695769]
I don't mind Yossi but he's past his best, injury prone and Ming is better anyway.
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I don't rate yossi at all. circus trick seal
yossi - 'I've gone past one, gone past two, GONE PAST THREE, oh look gerrard is in space but if I take on one more defender I'm through on goal...ohh I've lost it, ner mind, eh'
I don't mind Yossi but he's past his best, injury prone and Ming is better anyway.
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I don't rate yossi at all. circus trick seal
yossi - 'I've gone past one, gone past two, GONE PAST THREE, oh look gerrard is in space but if I take on one more defender I'm through on goal...ohh I've lost it, ner mind, eh'
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Cm options:
Gerrard
Adam
Henderson
Lucas
Raul
He's fifth choice for that spot imo.
He's not a winger.
So If we could recoup the full fee from last Season (his value shouldn't have decreased) and get in a winger/forward like say Affellay we'd look more balanced.
@oncy
Aquilani? I liked the idea of him but come on, Henderson and Adam has already proved more effective. Wouldn't swap him back on behalf of one of those even for silly money.
Gerrard
Adam
Henderson
Lucas
Raul
He's fifth choice for that spot imo.
He's not a winger.
So If we could recoup the full fee from last Season (his value shouldn't have decreased) and get in a winger/forward like say Affellay we'd look more balanced.
@oncy
Aquilani? I liked the idea of him but come on, Henderson and Adam has already proved more effective. Wouldn't swap him back on behalf of one of those even for silly money.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46664.msg1390495#msg1390495 date=1314695769]
I don't mind Yossi but he's past his best, injury prone and Ming is better anyway.
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I don't rate yossi at all. circus trick seal
yossi - 'I've gone past one, gone past two, GONE PAST THREE, oh look gerrard is in space but if I take on one more defender I'm through on goal...ohh I've lost it, ner mind, eh'
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Yep, pretty much sums it up. Except he's also painful to look at, like a smack head or something, he always looks seriously gaunt & unwell.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46664.msg1390495#msg1390495 date=1314695769]
I don't mind Yossi but he's past his best, injury prone and Ming is better anyway.
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I don't rate yossi at all. circus trick seal
yossi - 'I've gone past one, gone past two, GONE PAST THREE, oh look gerrard is in space but if I take on one more defender I'm through on goal...ohh I've lost it, ner mind, eh'
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Yep, pretty much sums it up. Except he's also painful to look at, like a smack head or something, he always looks seriously gaunt & unwell.
Yossi is a good player and although he was guilty of overcompliating things at times he had plenty of end product to show for his time on the pitch.
Circus trick seal is ridiculous.
Also, the comparison between him and Meireles is pointless because they're completely different players.
That said I don't think it'd be wise to spend money on Yossi either because he is nearing the end of his career and we can probably get someone far younger who will offer some of the same attacking qualities.
Circus trick seal is ridiculous.
Also, the comparison between him and Meireles is pointless because they're completely different players.
That said I don't think it'd be wise to spend money on Yossi either because he is nearing the end of his career and we can probably get someone far younger who will offer some of the same attacking qualities.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46664.msg1390502#msg1390502 date=1314696230]
Yossi is a good player and although he was guilty of overcompliating things at times he had plenty of end product to show for his time on the pitch.
Circus trick seal is ridiculous.
Also, the comparison between him and Meireles is pointless because they're completely different players.
That said I don't think it'd be wise to spend money on Yossi either because he is nearing the end of his career and we can probably get someone far younger who will offer some of the same attacking qualities.
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if we are going yossi + cash for ming then comparisons between the two players are inevitable.
not taking back the circus trick seal comment, I've seen yossi take on and beat a defender and rather than put in a first time cross has gone back to beat the defender again, seriously, WTF?!
Yossi is a good player and although he was guilty of overcompliating things at times he had plenty of end product to show for his time on the pitch.
Circus trick seal is ridiculous.
Also, the comparison between him and Meireles is pointless because they're completely different players.
That said I don't think it'd be wise to spend money on Yossi either because he is nearing the end of his career and we can probably get someone far younger who will offer some of the same attacking qualities.
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if we are going yossi + cash for ming then comparisons between the two players are inevitable.
not taking back the circus trick seal comment, I've seen yossi take on and beat a defender and rather than put in a first time cross has gone back to beat the defender again, seriously, WTF?!
Crossing isn't his forte so he checks back to look for a pass. It's one of the reasons he's always been a 6M player instead of a 20M player. As I said, he's got a good track record in terms of end product and whilst you may have witnessed a WTF moment in your eyes, you've also witnessed him win games for us so you're wrong whether you take back the comment or not.
As for the comparison thing... player exchanges happen frequently (particularly in Italian football). Are you really going to make me find some examples where a transfer involves, say, a defender and a striker plus some money to say that it's a stupid thing to do?
As for the comparison thing... player exchanges happen frequently (particularly in Italian football). Are you really going to make me find some examples where a transfer involves, say, a defender and a striker plus some money to say that it's a stupid thing to do?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46664.msg1390513#msg1390513 date=1314696898]
Crossing isn't his forte so he checks back to look for a pass. It's one of the reasons he's always been a 6M player instead of a 20M player. As I said, he's got a good track record in terms of end product and whilst you may have witnessed a WTF moment in your eyes, you've also witnessed him win games for us so you're wrong whether you take back the comment or not.
As for the comparison thing... player exchanges happen frequently (particularly in Italian football). Are you really going to make me find some examples where a transfer involves, say, a defender and a striker plus some money to say that it's a stupid thing to do?
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I appreciate the real away goal and the fulham goal but I certainly don't want him back and getting him back at the expense of ming is madness.
Crossing isn't his forte so he checks back to look for a pass. It's one of the reasons he's always been a 6M player instead of a 20M player. As I said, he's got a good track record in terms of end product and whilst you may have witnessed a WTF moment in your eyes, you've also witnessed him win games for us so you're wrong whether you take back the comment or not.
As for the comparison thing... player exchanges happen frequently (particularly in Italian football). Are you really going to make me find some examples where a transfer involves, say, a defender and a striker plus some money to say that it's a stupid thing to do?
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I appreciate the real away goal and the fulham goal but I certainly don't want him back and getting him back at the expense of ming is madness.
We should not be thinking of this at all. I have seen no evidence from Liverpool's side to suggest we are either.
Part of the issue seems to be the small-club mentality the media have about us, and fans have sunk to and accepted, over the last few years.
The assumption was because we were bringing in two new central midfielder's at least one of the existing ones was going to have to go to help fund it and reduce the wage bill, it wasn't going to be Gerrard, Aquilani always looked likely anyway, so it was either Ming or Lucas, and as Lucas seems to be everyone's Golden chunks, so the further assumption from outside the club was Ming was going to be the one that made way (and he also had some equity).
If we want to really challenge for a top four place , let alone the very top, you need quality players in reserve, if Adam gets injured you don't want to be relying on the Spearings of this world for more than a game or two, you need the Miereles's.
We need credible cover in every position, particularly in midfield, considering Gerrrard's position.
Fortunately it seems to me that at least John Henry, Werner , Kenny and Comolli are thinking big-club again, we don't particularly need to sell to buy.
Their challenge is keeping the better players who are not getting games happy and motivated.
I hope I am right
regards
Part of the issue seems to be the small-club mentality the media have about us, and fans have sunk to and accepted, over the last few years.
The assumption was because we were bringing in two new central midfielder's at least one of the existing ones was going to have to go to help fund it and reduce the wage bill, it wasn't going to be Gerrard, Aquilani always looked likely anyway, so it was either Ming or Lucas, and as Lucas seems to be everyone's Golden chunks, so the further assumption from outside the club was Ming was going to be the one that made way (and he also had some equity).
If we want to really challenge for a top four place , let alone the very top, you need quality players in reserve, if Adam gets injured you don't want to be relying on the Spearings of this world for more than a game or two, you need the Miereles's.
We need credible cover in every position, particularly in midfield, considering Gerrrard's position.
Fortunately it seems to me that at least John Henry, Werner , Kenny and Comolli are thinking big-club again, we don't particularly need to sell to buy.
Their challenge is keeping the better players who are not getting games happy and motivated.
I hope I am right
regards
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