Unfortunately the horse faced chief-exec said the opposite, something to the effect of being robbed or some crap like that!
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Unfortunately the horse faced chief-exec said the opposite, something to the effect of being robbed or some crap like that!
I sent a grumbling email to ESPN about it, and copied in Ayre asking what action they were taking, I don't expect it will get near him or they will bother, still it irritated me.
I remember him saying to his co-commentator during a match shortly after Rafa's 'facts' pc - 'So, was Rafa's bizarre rant even remotely plausible or was it just the desperate sound of a flawed manager who has been badly found out by Sir Alex?' It was so gratuitous and clumsily biased it summed Champion up perfectly. He really has a problem with LFC. No idea why.
Golf too.
Yes credit to the Mansfield manager for being gracious in defeat, to be fair to Suarez he did not engineer the situation IMO but he did knowingly take advantage and it should have been dissallowed, the fact that it wasnt is not his fault.
I was beginning to think that the press represented the wider opinion of all fans and so was delighted when an old Villa mate of mine completely without discussion or prompt summarily announced that Champion was a disgrace for saying what he said... its nice to see that some footy fans are still aware of the rules of reporting. Happy with that Im dismayed now i've just seen that Man U have managed to get the twelth man in place for Sunday already.
I was beginning to think that the press represented the wider opinion of all fans and so was delighted when an old Villa mate of mine completely without discussion or prompt summarily announced that Champion was a disgrace for saying what he said... its nice to see that some footy fans are still aware of the rules of reporting. Happy with that Im dismayed now i've just seen that Man U have managed to get the twelth man in place for Sunday already.
I quoted the one salient paragraph. The rest is yours to read if interested. Not the usual long winded long article. Short and sweet.
And most of that is him explaining how the suicidal drug addicts plight isn't so bad and infact how its all happy flowers and lollipops.
Did you see the Mansfield chairmen comment? "He celebrated his goal by kissing his 'offending' arm" - you thick fucking twat, he does that every time he scores a goal. "He embarrassed Liverpool's owners and managers" - right, that's why Rodgers is gushing over Suarez yesterday?
The quote Y1 put up from Tomkins hits the nail on the head.
They really put that ?
LFC should put "Death of Journalism" on its web page and link it to a picture of the front page.
I'm astonished that Suarez has become the measuring stick and moral foundation for football and all sports around the world or at least thats how the handball outrage has been sensationalised.
Cantona, Keane, Barton and Di Canio to name a few have done far worse.
Cantona, Keane, Barton and Di Canio to name a few have done far worse.
I think the lad missed a shot, kept running, ball came back to him, had about 1/10 of a second to decide whether to handle it or not, and everyone in response spilled thousands of words analyzing it.
I don't even think it was a conscious decision as much as it was just an instinct, it's hilarious the amount of discussion on the matter
I don't even think it was a conscious decision as much as it was just an instinct, it's hilarious the amount of discussion on the matter
The sooner Geoff Hurst admits the ball never crossed the line and that he shamed a nation by not telling the linesman to flag, the better.
Then we can truly put this age of cheating behind and get back to a sport of gentlemen.
Then we can truly put this age of cheating behind and get back to a sport of gentlemen.
Stevie. Did. Not. Dive. In. Istanbul. Gattuso clipped his back leg.
If he touched him, it was minimal - in other words he barely touched him, and yet Stevie goes flying as if he was hacked down. He milked it, and got the call. Not one of our fans complained, not one. Now I could care less - it goes both ways (see Valencia earlier htis year for very soft penalties) ...
That's what Gary Neville talks about, "If a player gets touched in the box, and doesn't go down, his OWN teammates tell him 'what are you doing?'" ... So Stevie did and I cannot complain. But for people to act as if Suarez did something intentionally and we beat them 'cheaply' - fuck that.
You'd go flying too if someone "minimally touched" your back leg while you were running. It's a very clever foul and very hard to spot. Gattuso's misfortune was that the referee, being Spanish, was accustomed to seeing it in La Liga, where it's as prevalent as it is in Serie A.
Agree totally about Suarez' handball against Mansfield. The media know full well it's bollocks too, but all they care about is selling copy.
It was SO a dive.
Massive crumbly leg fosbury flop.
Clipped my fucking arse. Contact is not a foul. I stand with Collymore on this one. Gerrard is 6ft plus of athletic muscle and a BRUSH is not enough to knock him off stride or down (ditto Bale) they have felt contact and gone to ground, I disagree with Neville, they dont have a right to go down, they have a choice. Nowadays most choose to go down. There are exceptions (Messi) but by and large footballers (and the press sadly) seem to think that CONTACT = foul. It does not.
Utter cobblers. "A brush" MY hairy @rse. Defender hits the runner's back leg, which is off the ground, so the other one leaves the ground as well and the runner goes flying. Rudolf f'cking Nureyev wouldn't stay upright.
Don't agree on the more general issue either. Collymore's full of sh!t. Contact is not a foul IF THE DEFENDER IS GENUINELY TRYING TO WIN THE BALL. Otherwise it feckin well is a foul, and the attacker's at least as entitled to try and get something out of it as the defender is.
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Personally I am bit torn on the 'going down' easily issue.
Yeah it does looks awful at times but on the other hand, when you are clipped, even with the slightest of touches and you are either 1) moving at pace or 2) in the dangerzone there's a lot of good reasons why not to stay on your feet. At least not in all scenarios.
Even a slight touch, one that may seem almost non existing watched on the telly or at the stadium, can actually influence your approach to the ball remarkably. That's why some of the best defenders around have almost made it into an art form, of when and how to move in on strikers, so they interfere without getting penalised and make the striker look bad when he falls over.
The Gattuso-touch on Gerrard is a hard on to call. It looked well soft, but could've been of massive impact to Gerrard's movement and approach.
*As an old striker myself, I have more than once prayed on a defenders stationary leg or lack of elegance when trying to stop my movement, as I was cecrtainly no saint on the pitch either at times. It's a very fine line between cheating and actual offense, which I also believe the recent spree of Yellow's heading Bale's way has shown. Some of those certainly wasn't 'dives'. Same goes for Suarez.
Yeah it does looks awful at times but on the other hand, when you are clipped, even with the slightest of touches and you are either 1) moving at pace or 2) in the dangerzone there's a lot of good reasons why not to stay on your feet. At least not in all scenarios.
Even a slight touch, one that may seem almost non existing watched on the telly or at the stadium, can actually influence your approach to the ball remarkably. That's why some of the best defenders around have almost made it into an art form, of when and how to move in on strikers, so they interfere without getting penalised and make the striker look bad when he falls over.
The Gattuso-touch on Gerrard is a hard on to call. It looked well soft, but could've been of massive impact to Gerrard's movement and approach.
*As an old striker myself, I have more than once prayed on a defenders stationary leg or lack of elegance when trying to stop my movement, as I was cecrtainly no saint on the pitch either at times. It's a very fine line between cheating and actual offense, which I also believe the recent spree of Yellow's heading Bale's way has shown. Some of those certainly wasn't 'dives'. Same goes for Suarez.
I know you disagree.
I think youre wrong.
But thats ok. Its subjective.
I do agree that Collymore is full of shit in general, but as an athlete himself who CHOSE not to go to ground he is in a far greater position to asses what exactly it takes to knock a professional athlete over than you or I.
And Nevilles argument is not that they are tripped, its that contact was made and they have a right to go down. Again a CHOICE.
We'll never agree Jules, not on this one, me I dont want to excuse divers simply because they play for us. I think players (according to Neville AND Collymore under orders from managers) go down expressly to win fouls and gain advantages when it isnt a foul.
Gerrards in Istanbul (to me) is a perfec example of that, as is Bales the other day when his knee was brushed. They are still dives, where the lines blur is proving it. Owen came out and admitted it recently, perhaps at the end of their careers Bale and Gerrard will too.
Oh and the even more risible argument is the one now espoused that they go to ground to avoid the contact and protect themselves. Fucking rubbish. Gerrard, Bale, Young, Nasri, Suarez, Nani and PLENTY more go down because they are divers. We should all be man enough to accept that.
Of course there are times when attackers go down without having been fouled (though I stand by my definition of what a foul is, as opposed to Collymore's) and I don't actually like it any more than you do, Oncy. The difference between us is twofold: (a) you're right, we'll never agree on whether Stevie's pen.in Istanbul was an example of that and (b) I'm not prepared to say I don't want our players to do it when ALL our competitors are at it around us.
To be quite honest JJ im with you on point two.
Ive been a bit work down by it all. And the piety I used to have regardng this is all but gone.
I dont like it, and I cringe when our players do it, but as you say, its part of the game nowadays, we either do it or fall behind.
Sadly.
So I dont get all judgey about it anymore, I just accept it.
So there you go.
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