mansfield vs Liverpool

[the_khl]

No one is comparing Messi or Suarez - you talked about scoring with your hands, and I gave you an example of the biggest (& cleanest) player in the game today who did it openly and no one batted an eye lid.

Yes, I think most players in the 120th minute of a knock out game with a ball flying toward their goal line and to elimination would have done what he did. To quote Ross, 'second place is for cunts' and he did what it took to try and get his team to 1st. Does it mean it wasn't cheating? No, it was but that is part of the game and has been for a long time.

Until Suarez was mentioned in the press by Fergusion, how many managers/players openly talked about him as a cheater? Now he's the player people love to slam in the media, with Bale a distant second.

I knew very well he was a player with tendency to cheat well before he arrived in Liverpool mate.My biggest concern with him along with his shots on goal/goal ration.

Did a lot of cheating, elbowing, biting and stuff in Holland as well. I know we give Ferguson credit for loads, and rightly so, but to blame him for the focus on Suarez is wrong. Evra helped mind.

Can I just add to Ross' quote by your logic : 'first place is very much for cunts too'.

 

[Insignificance]

Cheating is wrong Kris but in what way did he cheat? The fourth official said immediately that yes, the ball hit his hand, but it was not intentional - hence why the goal was given. I myself don't think the goal should have been given but neither do I think it was a deliberate act and then cheating. I suppose some will point to the Robbie Fowler incident at Arsenal as an example of fair play but that never overturned the referees decision.

It's also making me chuckle that some are getting all a bit moral and precious that a bad decision has actually gone in our favour when we've been on the wrong end of so many this season that our glorious press and media deem to be unworthy of the slightest mention yet when it's Luis they all go ape shit. I love the fact he winds the biased agenda driven cunts up so much now to be honest.

It was not cheating. But getting 4 of 4 important handball calls going your way make me feel a bit like United, and I just don't like it.

 

[the_khl]

We've been also rans for too long by being so fucking nice.

We've not been also rans because we've been to nice though, more so because we've been crap at football.

 

[Spionkop69]

So discussing ethics automatically make you a hater? Sell sell sell? You couldnt be even more of a dramaqueen?

Dear Scandanavians,

Suarez didn't cheat. The officials (whose decision is final) have stated this.

That's all. Over and out.

 

[Insignificance]

Dear Scandanavians,

Suarez didn't cheat. The officials (whose decision is final) have stated this.

That's all. Over and out.

My point again. He did not cheat, fine. But by that argument why are people even bothering to talk about Berbatovs dive against Agger? Or Shelveys redcard when Evans got nothing last time around? The ref made the call and stand by it? Or even worse, why on earth are we bothered about fergie running onto the pitch ripping the ref a new arsehole? The ref said it was not improper.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I knew very well he was a player with tendency to cheat well before he arrived in Liverpool mate.My biggest concern with him along with his shots on goal/goal ration.

Did a lot of cheating, elbowing, biting and stuff in Holland as well. I know we give Ferguson credit for loads, and rightly so, but to blame him for the focus on Suarez is wrong. Evra helped mind.

Can I just add to Ross' quote by your logic : 'first place is very much for cunts too'.

He bit once and now he did a lot of it? He elbowed a lot? Yah, give it a rest ... No one gave two shits about how he played his game, we just were happy to get a world class talent. Until Fergusion mentioned Suarez and diving, no one talked about him as they do today (Pulis, Ashley Williams, Kocielnsky etc etc etc). Evra had nothing to do with 'cheating,' it had to do with 'racism' (which the player and FA said he wasn't).

No, 1st place is for those who hold up trophies ... That's how sports works.

Gary Neville has been spot on about 'cheating,' 'diving' etc in the game ... Watch his latest on Sky - he talks about it as honestly as you get. If you can't see what he's talking about, then I'm not going to succeed either.

 

[the_khl]

Dear Scandanavians,

Suarez didn't cheat. The officials (whose decision is final) have stated this.

That's all. Over and out.

If you commit a crime but doesn't get caught you are not then a criminal?

Out and over.

 

[mark1975]

We've not been also rans because we've been to nice though, more so because we've been crap at football.

Just to epitomise this even more - Shelvey apologising to Fergie, that right there shouldn't happen, there's no love loss yet we're apologising to that fucking creep, again.

 

[the_khl]

He bit once and now he did a lot of it? He elbowed a lot? Yah, give it a rest ... No one gave two shits about how he played his game, we just were happy to get a world class talent. Until Fergusion mentioned Suarez and diving, no one talked about him as they do today (Pulis, Ashley Williams, Kocielnsky etc etc etc). Evra had nothing to do with 'cheating,' it had to do with 'racism' (which the player and FA said he wasn't).

No, 1st place is for those who hold up trophies ... That's how sports works.

Gary Neville has been spot on about 'cheating,' 'diving' etc in the game ... Watch his latest on Sky - he talks about it as honestly as you get. If you can't see what he's talking about, then I'm not going to succeed either.

He bit another player and yet you care about how many he actually bit?

Seriously?

 

[gkmacca]

Ordinary fouling, in a sense, is 'cheating' - it's merely cheating that is so widespread and frequent it's regarded as morally irrelevant. It's only the unusual 'cheating' that provokes moral outrage. Presumably if more people hand-balled the less significant it would be deemed - you'd just get the ref's decision, or lack of one, and everyone would move on. It's all a bit arbitrary. Look, for instance, at the now-routine practice of placing a ball for a corner outside the proper area - footballers are copycats, so they all do it now and the linesmen just turn a blind eye to it most of the time, whereas only a year or so ago they'd be intervening like the punctilious twits they usually are. But players only do it because they seem to think it's 'good' cheating. Are they supposed to wave after doing it and offer a contrite apology? All Suarez did was play to the whistle. End of. Surely?

 

[Spionkop69]

My point again. He did not cheat, fine. But by that argument why are people even bothering to talk about Berbatovs dive against Agger? Or Shelveys redcard when Evans got nothing last time around? The ref made the call and stand by it? Or even worse, why on earth are we bothered about fergie running onto the pitch ripping the ref a new arsehole? The ref said it was not improper.

Dear Scandanavians

Please calm down.

 

[Insignificance]

He bit once and now he did a lot of it? He elbowed a lot? Yah, give it a rest ... No one gave two shits about how he played his game, we just were happy to get a world class talent. Until Fergusion mentioned Suarez and diving, no one talked about him as they do today (Pulis, Ashley Williams, Kocielnsky etc etc etc). Evra had nothing to do with 'cheating,' it had to do with 'racism' (which the player and FA said he wasn't).

No, 1st place is for those who hold up trophies ... That's how sports works.

Gary Neville has been spot on about 'cheating,' 'diving' etc in the game ... Watch his latest on Sky - he talks about it as honestly as you get. If you can't see what he's talking about, then I'm not going to succeed either.

Ill be in London in two weeks time. If you bought whatever you are smoking today there, please let me know were to get it. I feel the need for a similar trip!!!

 

[Spionkop69]

Why do some people actually support this football club? Really?

PS I'm not suggesting they fuck off and support someone else. I'm genuinely interested because some, just want to constantly find fault with everything!

 

[Insignificance]

Dear Scandanavians

Please calm down.

If we had a habit of calming down, UK wouldnt be half as fun place to be today!!

 

[Spionkop69]

If you commit a crime but doesn't get caught you are not then a criminal?

Out and over.

The only person who knows whether he cheated or not is Suarez. Not some deranged Evertonians, rabid Man U fans or delirious Skandos who will not back down ever once they make a point, no matter what the evidence is to the contrary.

The goal was given because the ref and his officials decided that he couldn't get out of the way of it and therefore it was not deliberate. Whether he gained an advantage or not is a different argument!

And its "over and out".

 

[LeTallecWiz]

"We're here to win football games"

"I was desperate to win"

"If you're not touched, that's embarrassing - to be fair we've got umpires nad referees for that"

"We're here to win football matches ... whatever it is ... you do whatever it takes to win the game. Umpires, referees are there to judge. If you fall foul of the law, they'll pull you up, you'll get booked, get on with it"

"It's wrong to dive, goes over, gets booked, misses a game, get on with it"

"Win at all costs"


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hXMehv29jZw

 

[LeTallecWiz]

CALM DOWN ASIM

 

[Insignificance]

Why do some people actually support this football club? Really?

PS I'm not suggesting they fuck off and support someone else. I'm genuinely interested because some, just want to constantly find fault with everything!

I support this club because it stands for something. it changes people, and it doesnt take any bullshit from anyone. It is built by footballing geniouses that combined their knowledge with extremely hard work. I support it because of Kevin Keegan, Bob paisley and Bill Shankly. Those were the first. Then came King Kenny. So I support it for them being winners with integrity and take a defeat like men.

I used to be a supporter of Real madrid too. Throughout the 80, into the 90s. Somewhere in the 2000s they parted ways with me in the way they acted. it didnt become me anymore. I couldnt identify myself with their values anymore.

I find it amusing that the act some people hate when a Scum supporter do it, is the same act they suddenly do themselves when it fits their own agenda.

And I feel a bit ashamed about the help we got to beat some minors. I am extremely uncomfortable with it. It shouldnt be neccesary. It says something about us when we dig up all possible shit to defend that it happened. It happend, and we are through. We will play the mighty Oldham next round, and I surely hope we dont see that again. But if we do I will live throuh it.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Insig - how can you stand by Shankly when he insulted Everton non-stop (if they were playing in my backyard, i'd close the windows ... there's only two teams in liverpool, liverpool and the liverpool reserves), or Smith's racism, or Sousness's vicious style of play (makes Roy Keane look like a lady) ... Is an accidental handball (it seems), which the ref AND linesman saw and decided was unintentional really what's upsetting you?

 

[Insignificance]

Insig - how can you stand by Shankly when he insulted Everton non-stop (if they were playing in my backyard, i'd close the windows ... there's only two teams in liverpool, liverpool and the liverpool reserves), or Smith's racism, or Sousness's vicious style of play (makes Roy Keane look like a lady) ... Is an accidental handball (it seems), which the ref AND linesman saw and decided was unintentional really what's upsetting you?

No it doesnt upset me. And against Man U or Everton I would take a picture of it and hang it up on the office wall if any of their supporters around!!! Cause it would take the piss out of the fans of that small mentality club or our bitter neighbours.

But it feels not good to get the "United" kind of help against hard working amateurs who are actually performng well in the match of their lifes. It shouldn't be like that.

I don't blame Luis, I don't blame the ref. I just see that United gets this kind of "help" very often, and I don't like that either. You might not like it, but Carras handball was a handball and they should have had a penalty. Luis handball is a handball, and it should have been cancelled out. in my opinion.

And by the way... To think Shanks insulted Everton is over the top!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I don't blame Luis, I don't blame the ref. I just see that United gets this kind of "help" very often, and I don't like that either. You might not like it, but Carras handball was a handball and they should have had a penalty. Luis handball is a handball, and it should have been cancelled out. in my opinion.

And by the way... To think Shanks insulted Everton is over the top!

The refs are there to decide what's right and what's wrong. If that plays in our favor, we'll run with it. If it doesn't, we'll have to deal with it. Refs, like our players, are humans and make mistakes ... It 'evens out over the course of a season' they say, and I guess for winners, it does. No one remembers the 'losers' anyways.

Tbh, I think how you're going on about the handballs is as over the top. Shanks' statements were obviously banter but it was taking the absolute piss out of our inner city rivals (though it wasn't like it is today). That's what great managers are about though - and why what he said we always remember and can quote ...

 

[Insignificance]

The refs are there to decide what's right and what's wrong. If that plays in our favor, we'll run with it. If it doesn't, we'll have to deal with it. Refs, like our players, are humans and make mistakes ... It 'evens out over the course of a season' they say, and I guess for winners, it does. No one remembers the 'losers' anyways.

Tbh, I think how you're going on about the handballs is as over the top. Shanks' statements were obviously banter but it was taking the absolute piss out of our inner city rivals (though it wasn't like it is today). That's what great managers are about though - and why what he said we always remember and can quote ...

We do remember the loosers, if the loosers are good enough. Italy won world cup 82, but in my eyes they can go fuck themselves over that Maradona treatement. I remember to well how good he and Brazil were in the torunament. I do remember well how bad Schumacher battered Battiston and got away with it. Yeah they won that one true enough. But that is nowhere near my point.

My point is why are we suddenly ok with injustice when it falls in our favour? And I admit gladly that I would be very ok with injustice our way against any team at our own level. But I am not ok with such a clear incident against a minor team that played out fo their shirt and raped us over in the start of 2nd half. They had a real go, and were robbed. Why I have a problem with that Iam not sure, but thats how I feel. And it doesnt make it betterseeing x amount of pages looking for proof that nothing wrong happened. I do have eyes in my head, and even if Luis didnt cheat or the ref didnt see it properly or what the fuck really happened, I am not ok with that. But if you are, please go ahead. I dont think anything less about you.

 

[Fallon]

A way to go yet but if we end up in the final, and hopefully win it, then no fucker will be saying a word about the UNINTENTIONAL handball.

 

[Insignificance]

A way to go yet but if we end up in the final, and hopefully win it, then no fucker will be saying a word about the UNINTENTIONAL handball.

Of course not. And if we beat United 1-0 on similar circumstances next weekend it is all forgotten anyway. And I will be the one talking about unintentional handballs! Thats is football.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

My point is why are we suddenly ok with injustice when it falls in our favour? And I admit gladly that I would be very ok with injustice our way against any team at our own level. But I am not ok with such a clear incident against a minor team that played out fo their shirt and raped us over in the start of 2nd half. They had a real go, and were robbed. Why I have a problem with that Iam not sure, but thats how I feel. And it doesnt make it betterseeing x amount of pages looking for proof that nothing wrong happened. I do have eyes in my head, and even if Luis didnt cheat or the ref didnt see it properly or what the fuck really happened, I am not ok with that. But if you are, please go ahead. I dont think anything less about you.

The ref and linesman saw it and deemed it unintentional. You're now saying it was intentional. I don't really know based on what I saw - Suarez seemed to have thought it would be waved back. It's football - we get breaks, we don't (Everton, Valencia penalty etc etc). We got a major one in Istanbul (Gerrard's penalty) - how many of us moaned about it?

You keep on saying 'minor' team - if it happened against the Mancs, would you be raising such a stink?

No one remembers Brazil in '82 - you remember Rossi and Italy winning 3-1 against all odds. They're the winners, everyone else? Who cares.

 

[Sunny]

It has never happened in the history of the game. It will never happen in my lifetime.
What exactly was Suárez supposed to do? Run to the referee and tell him it hit his hand? His team-mates would go berserk, and his manager would not be too impressed either.
The first thing to make clear is Liverpool’s second goal in the third round cup tie was not a deliberate handball.
There is no way Suárez has moved his arm to control it. If anything, it looks as if he is trying to move his hand away when it has hit him.
The speed it was travelling, it simply ricocheted forward and struck him at angle which, unfortunately, the officials could not see.


He did exactly what anyone who has ever played professional football — and anyone who plays in the future — would do in the same situation.
There will be outrage about it, firstly, because it was a high-profile incident in a high-profile game. Second, because it is Suárez. He has become an easy target.
I can imagine if other players were at the centre of such a controversy it would be simply shrugged off as a stroke of luck — or bad luck so far as Mansfield are concerned — and the debate would not focus so much on the identity of the goalscorer.
People like football to be black and white on these issues, encouraging a sense of ethics within the game. It is idealistic but has no basis in reality.
Take that argument to the logical conclusion and you’d never need a referee or linesman.
Every time a foul is not given, a defender can ask to stop the play and inform the opponent he just mistimed a tackle.
Take Craig Gardner for Sunderland against Spurs last week. Would anyone have expected him to ask the referee to rescind the booking against Gareth Bale — a caution that earned the Tottenham player a suspension — and admit he did make contact and a penalty should have been awarded?
Better still, all those who are outraged by Suárez’s goal yesterday can tell their own side next weekend to admit every handball, every shirt tug and every wrongly flagged offside that benefits their own team.
They can say they are doing so in the spirit of the game.
Where do you draw the line?
I was involved in an incident in the 1984 League Cup final againstEverton. I was in my own penalty box, the ball hit my thigh and bounced onto my arm.
The penalty was not given. Are people saying I should have been running to the referee and telling him it might have been a spot kick?
It is a nonsensical argument which shows no understanding of how the game is played, or the stakes for those at the highest level when the action is moving so quickly.
One of the first things I was taught as a youngster breaking into the first team was if I ever make a foul, particularly in the box, never look at the referee. It is seen as an admission of guilt and he is more likely to give it.
So, you are trying to get away with fouls. Is that cheating too? Of course not. You are playing within the boundaries all the time, and it is for the officials to determine where there has been a misdemeanour.
That is why there will be no moral condemnation from anyone within the game for what happened. Managers and players know that next week it could be their own team benefiting from such an incident.
There have been one or two situations where players have been acclaimed for their sportsmanship — Robbie Fowler telling the referee not to award a penalty against David Seaman in 1997 springs to mind. You will not find too many others.
The sad thing for Suárez is his reputation goes before him. In recent weeks he has been staying on his feet far more and there have been fewer incidents where opponents have accused him of diving.
He scored a goal against Sunderland recently where he could easily have thrown himself to the floor, but instead he retained his balance and scored. Nobody seemed to say much about the honesty of his play in that case.
Yesterday, Suárez simply followed the golden rule every youngster is taught when he first plays football. “Play to the whistle.” If that whistle does not come, it’s the fault of the referee, not the player.

 

[Rosco]

The referee got the decision wrong, we won. The end.

 

[Insignificance]

The ref and linesman saw it and deemed it unintentional. You're now saying it was intentional. I don't really know based on what I saw - Suarez seemed to have thought it would be waved back. It's football - we get breaks, we don't (Everton, Valencia penalty etc etc). We got a major one in Istanbul (Gerrard's penalty) - how many of us moaned about it?

You keep on saying 'minor' team - if it happened against the Mancs, would you be raising such a stink?

No one remembers Brazil in '82 - you remember Rossi and Italy winning 3-1 against all odds. They're the winners, everyone else? Who cares.

Were does I say it was intentional?

Injustice is not only situations were people mean to d it? I am sorry if I am mixing up languages here.

Carras was also unintentional but very clumpsy and he benefitted from the handball. No natural place for the arm to keep when blocking that shot.. hence a penalty, even if he was just unlucky?

And people do care. I remeber Italy well, but most people only remember Brazil, Zico, Socrates, Falcao, Eder and their joy. But hey thats a different story, and I dont care as you say! Let people remember what they want!

 

[doctor_mac]

"We're here to win football games"

"I was desperate to win"

"If you're not touched, that's embarrassing - to be fair we've got umpires nad referees for that"

"We're here to win football matches ... whatever it is ... you do whatever it takes to win the game. Umpires, referees are there to judge. If you fall foul of the law, they'll pull you up, you'll get booked, get on with it"

"It's wrong to dive, goes over, gets booked, misses a game, get on with it"

"Win at all costs"


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hXMehv29jZw

I'm in danger of liking Gary Neville. Somebody slap me.

 

[Oncy]

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom Queen.