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Make or break season for Nunez?

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He should stay benched for now and wait for the Europa to start, his goals to game ratio will rise to the moon when he bags a hattrick against the champions of Moldova
Teams he scored against last season :
City
United x2
Newcastle
Napoli
Real Madrid
Ajax
Arsenal
etc
 
Might not be a good predictor, but it sure is a good indicator.
In the end no one is saying selling him today.
We all want to see what he does this season, but the consensus seems to be that if he doesn't show enough of an improvement be it in amount of goals or some other type of impact, his future at the club should be questioned.
That is the logical position but it isn't what some are saying.
 
This is what i could find per 90 only for last season

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https://fbref.com/en/stathead/playe...1a9578&p5yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id6=733f1a7d

Tried to include doak over his whole career too
Thanks for that!

So there's almost nothing between our 5 strikers in terms of goals per 90 mins and Nunez had the best XG. Interesting.

What would Mo's look like without his penalties would be another interesting take.
 
Arguably him and Jota are our only outright strikers. We've paid the money now, so I'd be inclined to keep for contract length unless we get an off of 50+. Which won't happen.

Every club needs it's half shite cult hero striker. Just a shame ours cost 70ishm
 
Why do we need to put a time frame on it? Just because he cost 65m he needs to hit strides right away otherwise should be shown the door? Every side needs a squad of 24-25 players, no reason why he can’t be given equal game time as Jota/Diaz/Gakpo, the signs are there, he’s a constant threat and menace and he’s clearly shown with a bit of polishing on his finishing, can get 25-30 goals. He gets himself into very good positions, if he wasn’t making those driving runs or was very shy in front of goal then you could make a case. Klopp gave an interview on Sky where he spoke just on Nunez and his season review, he spoke very highly of him….I think we should bear that in mind before jumping the gun and having something negative to say about him every other week.

We should put a time frame on it because we don't have unlimited resources. We play with three forwards. We have five players to fill those positions (possibly one or two others on the fringes, or who CAN play there if needed, but basically five).

If one of those five is not performing then we need to replace them, don't we? It isn't so different to what many were saying about our midfielders, or about our defenders.

I am not saying that we are there with Nunez yet at all. Although I don't think he was good enough last season, I personally think that giving him another season is worthwhile as he has shown enough promise for that, but there obviously has to be a point where you make the call.

The same logic, by the way, should apply to any member of the squad.
 
Thanks for that!

So there's almost nothing between our 5 strikers in terms of goals per 90 mins and Nunez had the best XG. Interesting.

What would Mo's look like without his penalties would be another interesting take.
He's gone from you saying he's got the best goals per minute to knowing he's got the worst, and you're still acting like you're right. Have you ever thought about being an MP?
 
This is what I don't get - it's not pace but instruction that's absent. He's the 5th fastest player in the PL by top speed, very close to Walker who is still the fastest (2022-23 season).

Walker, who Pep basically told wasn't good enough last season. Why are you persevering with nonsense, inconsequential stats? And you're saying history has no bearing on the future, yet you made bold predictions about Origi and Firmino's goal returns ahead of a season starting, based on what pretty much everyone was saying were fluke stats from the previous season. You're all over the place in this argument.
 
This confirms exactly what I said earlier, you dont need to be a 24/7 Data Analyst, just watch him, use the eye test.
We all watched him, Moron.
Just like we watched many others. It's the eye test he's failing.
 
He's gone from you saying he's got the best goals per minute to knowing he's got the worst, and you're still acting like you're right. Have you ever thought about being an MP?
Someone else posted just before me that he had best - my post was based on that. I should have done a little more research but I was pressed for time. Which is why I asked Binny.

You were also miles off weren't you - acting all righteous quoting lifetime stats (or whatever and wherever they were from) rather than last seasons. Sigh.
 
He is not going to make it. He is not even on the same wavelength as any of our players. Nobody knows what he is going to do next. Everything about him is random.

This random thing is so lazy. He has very good movement and lots of athleticism. He's just not finished near well enough. I'm not saying that's not a problem, but the problem is more for him, that we have alternatives. When the others get injured he will have to come out firing.
 
Lucas would be crowned Twitter's player of the decade if he played in this selective stat-obsessed era
 
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Walker, who Pep basically told wasn't good enough last season. Why are you persevering with nonsense, inconsequential stats? And you're saying history has no bearing on the future, yet you made bold predictions about Origi and Firmino's goal returns ahead of a season starting, based on what pretty much everyone was saying were fluke stats from the previous season. You're all over the place in this argument.
WTF are you on about? Is it so difficult for you to differentiate between stats on pace (and their usefulness) and whatever you're blowing on about with Walker & Pep that's clearly irrelevant.

Ditto historical data which I was commenting on with regards to using one person's history and applying it to a totally different person. That blew by you at 100 kph in your haste to turn it into a stick.

Mark doing what he does best, taking something out of context and attempting to twist it into something weird and wonderful to suit his rhetoric. It's truly amazing to witness those verbal contortions.

And we've all made a pile of shite forecasts on this site, you as much as anyone!
 
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This random thing is so lazy. He has very good movement and lots of athleticism. He's just not finished near well enough. I'm not saying that's not a problem, but the problem is more for him, that we have alternatives. When the others get injured he will have to come out firing.
If he is any good we would have gotten 3 points against Chelsea. Not completely his fault mind, but he didn't do enough, even as a sub. He is well and truly our 5th choice forward. I want him to do well and succeed, but it is what it is.
 
Someone else posted just before me that he had best - my post was based on that. I should have done a little more research but I was pressed for time. Which is why I asked Binny.

You were also miles off weren't you - acting all righteous quoting lifetime stats (or whatever and wherever they were from) rather than last seasons. Sigh.

I'm not determined to be right, in fact I hope I'm wrong, but I posted his last season's stats from the premier league, which are fucking shite.
 
He’s going to have a great season. It’s not make or break. Don’t be daft. Klopp doesn’t sell his projects.
 
If you could have a refund right now of £70m or whatever the outlay is so far then would you take it?
 
That is right, and it's much worse if you look at premier league only, which is the site I was looking at.

Scroll right a couple of times for Salah

https://www.infogol.net/en/player/darwin-núñez/49325
He’s average rating is almost as high as Salah, started 55% the number of games, and scores just under half the amount. Considering he was thrown in at the deep in due to injuries and was in a very dysfunctional team, that’s a solid season.

Will be interesting to see how he does this year but those stats are not bad imo.
 
I've noticed with most of our players that it takes a stretch of 3/4 consecutive starts to get into their stride, like Jota when he came back from injury or when he covered for Mo at the Africa Nations Cup last time round. Jones didn't look that good until he got those run of games at the end of last season due to the injuries. Similarly Bajcetic.
 
Clean slate for this season, but I also think it's make or break for him.
It's not the amount of goals, because he just about averages the same as Firmino.
Like others have mentioned he just doesn't fit into the way we play. Some are saying that we have to adapt to him, but it doesn't make sense to me.
If 4 of our attackers are happy playing the way we are, why change it up for one?

Daiz,Jota,Salah Gakpo all capable of pick up a injury or two. That plus form, resting playes, the League,Europe, the FA and League cups see's plenty of opportunities of Nunez to start
 
I don't know why we are talking about goals with respect to his play. He's not playing because pressing is the ticket.

Jota was a shit finisher last year after his injury but he ran where he was supposed to.

Salah is the only forward who is allowed to be lazy defensively, and I was really heartened to see that not be the case and him get hooked this year.

Obviously he needs to finish better too.
 
He’s absolutely nowhere near a bad as some would make out. Not world class either. But he’s a decent player with a lot of potential. Time will tell
 
He is that diamond in the rough. He had a 6.5/10 start to the year for the price of a player who should be having a 7.5/10 in his first year. He's not that far off. And you know he would sign with another team and be flying.

But if he doesn't deliver a sizeable contribution this Fall, his time will definitely be up. We just don't have the room to carry a passenger
 
The market is scarce in terms of ready made talent available in the region of 50m-80m. Nunez could be our best financially viable bet to replace Salah's goal scoring ability. Clear that people have not followed Lewa's development under Klopp.
 
For me a straightforward barometer is; if he was bought for £60 or £80 or whatever million by Chelsea or Man Utd, would you be laughing at them for wasting money?
Right now that answer has to be a resounding yes.
Then again I hope I'm proved wrong and he tears the league a new one. I'd be more than happy for @Frogfish, @binomial or whoever to drag the thread back up.
 
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